Posted on 02/21/2014 2:39:18 PM PST by butterdezillion
Remember that video of the plane crash in Hawaii after which Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy "died"?
You need to take a closer look.
That makes sense.
That makes sense, but it’s certainly not a popular conclusion. No divers, no airtanks, no assassin in the water visible in any of the images presented. I didn’t say there wasn’t funny-business going on, it just wasn’t visible in that series of images.
And the question ‘What Do You see? Is what I answered to the best of my ability.
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Received loud n clear :)
Is this thread still open?
I’ve got a suggestion for you. Put a scuba tank on your back with no flotation device and go swimming in rough water. They typically weigh 50lbs. Why would any experienced diver choose to do such a ridiculous thing? Have you ever been diving yourself?
From the now locked thread.
“I have no way of knowing because the image that I know is genuinely from the funeral and shows some of the interior of the casket doesn’t seem to match the photoshopped images.”
How do you know that the image is genuine?
“And I can’t help but wonder why they photoshopped the other images.”
That’s your opinion that the images are photoshopped, not an expert’s opinion. Have you done Error Level Analysis?
Try this site:
Better still hire a real forensic image analyst and stop the amateur stuff.
“the name under which it is claimed that she bought with cash a multi-million-dollar house in Florida shortly after her alleged death.”
This has been shown to be not true. The house is still on the market and the county assessor’s office show the last time it was sold was IIRC 2009.
“That is just one of the places where it is mentioned that a fake funeral”
How many were open casket funerals with a dead body in the casket like Fuddy’s?
“it was revealed that Michelle would be going back to DC.”
Didn’t she go back for her fiftieth birthday? Fuddy death cause announced - January 13; Michelle Obama 50th birthday January 17th. Do you really think that is strange? Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.
“Means, motive, and opportunity. They were all there that day.”
As they would be on virtually any other day and without a cast of thousands.
Why a bottle?
of what?
Amyl/butyl nitrate is a liquid at room temperature which evaporates readily once the bottle is opened. Inhaled, the fumes can induce arrhythmia, especially if a lot is inhaled.
In the street drug world the amyl/butyl nitrates are known as "poppers".
Is the reason that "cardiac arrhythmia", a condition which would be difficult to observe in a stopped heart, has been harped on as the cause of death that the agent administered to Fuddy was known to have that effect, even though the heart would not show that in autopsy?
The bottle would be a cinch to dispose of in the ocean, and left uncapped, no residue would remain, even if someone found the bottle.
Then the question remains: if one swam in to shore, who were the other two recovered from the water?
The comment you were responding to is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3155169/posts?page=240#240 , in a locked thread that nobody is going to see because they won’t have a way to get to it, except through the link here, which nobody will have a way to get to either...
The photo from the Diocese website seems genuine because it was taken while Abercrombie was speaking and the congregants were seated. I suppose that photo could be photoshopped as well, but if it had been photoshopped it would make sense for them to get rid of the discrepancies rather than show them.
We can’t even afford to keep our vehicles in running condition because of extensive medical tests for my daughter this year, so no matter what the armchair quarterbacks here at Free Republic have to say about it, I am doing the best that I can with what I have. Those who are actually in the battle will always be criticized by the couch potatoes who have invested nothing personal.
Michelle Obama flew back to DC for a White House screening of an educational movie that a guy who watches what the Obamas are up to via what the White House publishes knew nothing about until the same day that Fuddy’s cause of death was reported. http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2014/01/13/michelle-obama-return-hawaii-wednesday/
Interesting, that the actual Maui Police press release (seen at http://mauifeed.com/maui-news/breaking-maui-police-announce-state-health-director-loretta-fuddys-death-was-accidental/#comments) claims that the engine failure was at about 3:37pm. The coroner, in investigating the facts of the death, apparently didn’t even look at the surreal flurry of communications between the Honolulu Control Facility and the USCG within those 10 minutes after the crash happened at 3:27. In fact, they must not have looked at ANYTHING from the USCG, because within a couple days of the crash the USCG issued a press release saying that the crash was reported to them at 3:27. Wow.
Regarding the cash purchase of a home in Florida under the name of Deliana Antone, you don’t think that a government entity would hide a record when it was found that somebody in the public had identified somebody in Witsec through that record? The whole point of Witsec is that records are hidden and falsified so that it officially looks like everything is fine. That is the job of these people to do, at the command of law enforcement. I have no way of knowing whether those who claimed to copy what was on the page about that sale are telling the truth, but I do know that the story of the record changing after somebody realized the sale had been noticed is plausible if Witsec was involved in any way.
We have no way of knowing what was in that casket. A guy claiming to be a co-worker with Fuddy, a James Ah Lo, chewed me out on my blog in an ad hominem attack but declined to claim that he saw Fuddy in the casket, which would have been the reasonable thing to say if he wanted to refute my questions/skepticism. That omission seemed odd to me also.
So it seems that photos that fit your narrative are genuine but those that don’t are photoshopped. I see. Can you please confirm whether you have ever subjected a photograph to a photoshop detecting program?
You say you have no way of knowing what was in Fuddy’s casket, and then you wonder why people think your theory is absurd. At her open casket funeral her family, friends and co-workers paraded past her OPEN CASKET. This is clear from the videos. I doubt any of them thought it was necessary to make a statement that it was in fact Ms Fuddy in the casket at her own funeral - but have you heard anyone who attended the funeral cast any doubts whatsoever over whether it was her body or a wax dummy? If not, then you have ZERO evidence for your theory that Fuddy was not in the casket.
We now know you have zero evidence for your photoshop claims, the Fuddy casket claims can join that lengthening list.
If ANY photos are photoshopped - makes no difference which ones - it is trouble for the “official narrative”, so simply pointing out the differences/discrepancies between the images claiming to be genuine makes the point: there’s more than meets the eye in the reporting on that funeral, and the public deserves to know what’s really going on - and especially those who are constantly libeled because of their skepticism of the narratives with so many discrepancies.
Some of the photoshopping is only evident when you compare specific elements of photos that should be very different from each other, but are actually identical - or parts that should be nearly identical to another photo but are altered. I have no idea whether photoshopping-detection programs would catch things like that or not. I’m not a graphics expert, as everybody knows. All I have are my powers of observation. And at this point I have no idea which “graphics experts” can be trusted, since people who have claimed to be my friends have turned out to be moles working against me. I can’t afford to hire somebody to analyze images.
It’s hard to tell friend from foe when your foes are liars and deceivers by nature and in some instances by profession also. The easiest way to keep the resistance from heeding a clear trumpet call to action is by making it so that nobody can ever know what is true and what is fake. A postmodern muddle of nothingness where nobody knows anything for sure. It is so easy for lies to win the day. All they have to do is muddy the waters enough that nobody can tell lie from truth. It’s much, much harder for the truth to prevail, and that’s why it so seldom does.
The biggest sworn enemies of America are communists and Islamists - the very people Obama has surrounded and allied himself with his whole life long - and both groups have unashamedly admitted that their strategy is to lie for the “greater good” - to pretend to be somebody they are not, to infiltrate and destroy from within the things they oppose. Obama’s inner sanctum has said they need to do this by posing on the internet as conservatives in order to corrupt conservative thought from within the supposedly-conservative movement/community. And they’ve now got permission to HIRE people to do that very thing.
Not only have there been articles detailing how this process is being done, but I’ve seen it firsthand. It is sheer filth. But very, very effective filth, which explains the condition this country and world are in and why so many people today seem on edge, anxious, and angry. Postmodernism is suicide, and it’s no wonder that people are starting to feel in their guts that something is really, really wrong right now. We’re losing the ability to know what is real. Yuri Bezmenov called it “demoralization”. It leaves the society as a whole with nothing to hold onto and nothing to fight for. It does everything that Satan wants to do: steals, kills, and destroys.
There are inexpensive computer programs that can detect photo manipulation with great accuracy. The fact that no birther seems to have investigated this tells me they do not have any confidence in their conclusions that so many images are altered. If you ask here at FR many people will be able to do this analysis for you. Heck I’ll even buy you the software if you promise to use it and are honest in reporting the results
But I repeat, your method for deciding whether something is photoshopped or not is whether you see what you expect to see - yet you have no expertise in any sort of analysis that makes your opinion of any value. No expertise in flying, diving, photography, image anlysis, rescue protocol ... anything really. That is why you are not convincing anybody.
But please address the Fake Fuddy in the Casket Issue. If that is her body, all your theory falls apart. Why did no mourners question that? If you cannot answer that you have no theory.
Part of the problem is, and always has been, the majority of people who have taken an objective look at what you have presented, people such as myself, do not see what you do. In fact, we see very little. That's not Fuddy in the casket now? Please, you should step back from this, it is getting ridiculous.
In the photo where Abercrombie is speaking, where are Fuddy’s shoulders? Where are her arms? Where is her blouse? Where is her head? Why are the hands a big round disconnected dark blob sticking up above sheer nothingness?
That’s not what the photo of the hands is like. The two images don’t match.
Show me a statement where somebody commented on how Fuddy looked in the casket, or gave any other indication that they saw her in the casket. James Ah Lo came on my blog to say what a jerk I am but would not once say the only thing he had to say to be anything but sputtering wind in my eyes. He would not say, “BDZ, I know that what you are saying is wrong because I saw Loretta Fuddy in that casket that day, and I, Fuddy’s co-worker James Ah Lo, will happily sign an affidavit to that effect in support of my truthfulness.”
It would have been so easy. But he wouldn’t do it. IIRC, I think I even asked him about it and tried to engage with him but he wouldn’t. It made no sense.
Did you read any of the information I posted in my last post on the locked thread, about faked funerals/deaths and how rare it isn’t? You do realize that dozens of Benghazi witnesses were given new identities to hide them from a Congressional investigation, right? How do you expect that was done?
I don’t know why I’m even responding. I’ve said my piece, you’ve said yours. Saying everything over and over again is just a waste of time, and I’ve got a lot better things to do with my time than waste it.
“Show me a statement where somebody commented on how Fuddy looked in the casket, or gave any other indication that they saw her in the casket.”
people don’t always comment on the obvious. Seeing a body in a open casket at a funeral is not unusual.
Seeing an urn instead of a body sitting in an open casket at a funeral would be unusual.
Show me a statement where somebody commented on how there was an urn in the casket, or gave any other indication that they saw any thing out of the ordinary in the casket.
http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/a-final-aloha-for-state-health-director-loretta-fuddy/23609562
Here is a screen shot:
She originally claimed that the were two separate funerals that were spliced together by the TV station. But after it was pointed out that the same people and the same memoriam plaque were present for "both" funerals, she settled on the video was photoshopped.
“We can’t even afford to keep our vehicles in running condition because of extensive medical tests for my daughter this year”
Sorry, to hear about your daughter, I hope she has recovered.
The photo imaging website is a free site where you upload your images and it does ELA.
The Florida home is still on the real estate market. Do you think the Witness Protection people would want open houses and lookyloo’s traipsing through their protected house?
Michelle Obama turned 50 on January 17th, she was going back to Washington that week no matter what, so Tuesday night is just as good as any other.
Since every other piece of information places the time of the crash as about 3:25, I would get to excited a a month later press release that has the wrong time.
People on FR and other places give various theories about which I have either not done research or haven’t been able to conclude anything definite, or even a strong leaning one way or another.
For instance, the subject of whether Miki Booth is an obot mole who contributed to the forgery of Obama’s fake BC. I have no way of knowing whether that is true or not. So what do I do? I just stay away from it. Why would I go on a thread and say, “I have looked at all of Doug Vogt’s evidence/claims and I am here to call him crazy because I have looked at all his stuff and can’t figure out or know anything about the subject.”
If you can’t tell anything that you’re seeing in the water, that’s fine. Just say the images are too blurry to pick out anything for certain. It could be that the size or resolution of your computer screen, the loss of clarity from youtube, the absence of more context, etc is keeping you from seeing something clearly enough to convince you. That’s fine. Or it could be that the images themselves just aren’t clear enough. It is what it is.
People who haven’t been able to look at the non-pixelated video hundreds of times, as I’ve been able to do, though, have come up with explanations that I can assure people don’t make sense. For instance, a good friend showed me an image of what he thought was a shoe shape with a light stripe at the bottom connected to a leg shape. He asked me if that’s what I saw. I said that the shoe shape there was the same “wave” shape that I had watched zoom all over the video screen as if it was a wave (but never breaking like the other “waves” in the video), yards away from Fuddy, and which actually a few frames later turns around and shows a face inside a hoodie-type contraption, with a light attached on the top. A few frames after that the hoodie turns around and you can see that it has a yellow stripe along the backside. A shoe couldn’t turn around like that shape does - not without jerking the wearer of the shoe way off into another direction.
Without showing every frame in that video, Joe Blow might say that was a shoe, or might say that he can’t tell what it is. And that’s fine. That’s part of what ABC wanted to happen, when they pixelated the videos and refused to let me show the complete non-pixelated video. Others will say that they see this or that. I’ve posted images of what appears to me to be 5 distinct people in the water who cannot be any of the 9 who were said to be on that plane. I can point out eyewear, chin, and Jacob’s hand holding onto one of those persons. I can point out white goggles and a yellow scuba mask on another. I can point out muscular dark arms, a rebreather, a tube going from the face down towards the chest, and the chin of another. Etc. You and others don’t know what you’re seeing, and that’s fine. Others can see what I believe I’m seeing or believe they can see even more than I think I can see.
I’ve posted a couple different places and have also done 3 radio shows now, and the place I have gotten BY FAR the worst response is here at Free Republic.
Could be because the people in power here have made it clear they will gag and/or ban people they think are “batsh!t crazy”.
Could be the ridicule in the thread titles once the thread was moved to a more visible spot, against the forum’s rules.
Could be the “sock puppet accounts” that the fogbowers boast about having, or the countdown to when they will have libeled me out and down for the count, having lost all credibility. They are a pack of wolves who come out for the kill, and they brag about the various researchers they have picked off from the flock and devoured.
Could be because Freepers are pickier than most about the level of evidence.
Could be a lot of different reasons. But I’ve learned that Free Republic is the place I am most likely to get harsh, seemingly-coordinated attacks while those who aren’t harsh attackers just stay away to keep the flying blood and guts from spattering their clothes. Free Republic is NOT representative of the general public. The reasonableness of the general public almost brings me to tears after being here. That’s the intended effect of the psy-ops game that Obama’s internet warriors are supposed to play. It’s a systematic picking off of one sheep/cow/whatever, isolating it from its support, and then going for the jugular. It’s what wolves do, and Free Republic is the most wolf-ridden pasture of anywhere I’ve been. Probably because the people here are the ones Obama wants butchered...
The supportive responses from people who heard me on the radio shows I was on were sent to me by the hosts of those shows. But I was never allowed to receive them. Those emails were stolen, just like some of my emails to those hosts were stolen, and some of my communications involving FOIA requests were stolen. The intent was to make me believe that I was alone. The crap to silence the non-wolves on Free Republic and the crap to steal the support towards me from other more normal places is a psy-op. A way to kill me without actually killing me.
Anybody in the military knows what I’m saying. And they know you don’t do that kind of intensive psy-op unless you’re afraid of that person or what might happen if you don’t silence or neutralize them. If somebody is distracting the enemy, or going down a dead end, you let them be or even encourage them. It’s only when you know a person could cause real trouble that you go in for the kill like that.
Arpaio and Zullo are going to come out with what they’ve got, and a lot of wolves are going to be exposed. A lot of people who sided with or enabled the wolves are going to have egg on their faces. And a lot of normal people who were simply deceived are going to realize how they were played. I don’t know who is who, in most cases. God does. And the sifting of wheat and chaff will come soon.
If you don’t see what I see, that’s fine. Just hold on, because if the deceptions all over the place are not visible to you yet, they will be soon. And the motives from a lot of hearts will be visible soon too.
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