One of "those" posts, indeed!
Posted on 02/08/2014 1:58:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv
For those who have never been to Mitzpe Ramon, you’re missing out. It’s on the edge of the Ramon makhtesh -- Israel’s Grand Canyon. In fact, although it is called a “crater” in English, it is actually a “makhtesh” i.e., a “box canyon”, formed not by a meteor or a river, but by geological processes of a receding ocean. It is the world’s largest “makhtesh”!
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In any event, no one listened, but everyone had a lot of fun. My friend Hershel Shanks who moderated my session chided me for being too confident. He wanted me to have an appropriate mount of humility when I said that his theory – following the late Frank Moore Cross – that Mount Sinai was in Saudi Arabia was impossible. Hershel, by definition, Mount Sinai has to be in the Sinai, or it’s not Mount Sinai. Having said all this, Joshua Schmidt has to be commended for creating this forum. The only way to get to the truth is by a civilized debate.
Here is a link to my paper where I contend -- no one has made a single argument as to why I am wrong -- that Hashem el-Tarif, a mountain about 45 minutes out of Eilat into the Sinai desert is, without question, (sorry, Hershel, I know I should be more humble) Mount Sinai!
(Excerpt) Read more at simchajtv.com ...
He does seem to have a pro-Jewish, anti-Christian bias, but in this instance I think he has some valid historical and Biblical points on his side.
Your paper seems to be arguing against Jebel Al-Lawz, while the author is promoting Jebel Hashem el-Tarif, which meets all of the Biblical criteria for Mount Sinai better than any of the other 14 candidates, particularly proximity to Middianite settlements that pointed others to the Saudi and Jordanian mountains locations, which do not meet the other criteria such as timelines. Jebel Hashem el-Tarif does.
Perhaps the author is a tad arrogant in his declaration of his hypothesis, but his argument is sounder than the others.
Anybody have a map to show us exactly where Jebel Hashem el-Tarif is, then, since we’re not having any luck with the Google links? I will find it a convincing candidate if it is close enough to the Suez Canal for a man traveling alone to reach it in three days.
Thanks,
It would be nice to be know the truth of where Mt Sinai actually is,
I haven’t read the paper referenced in the link, would be curious if he mentions Paul’s journey at all,
Elijah went there and also in Galatians Paul tells us its in Arabia,
“For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.” Galatians 4:25
But are either of them volcanic in nature? Remember the pillar of fire by night and the pillar of smoke by day. And magma inflation could actually have caused a rise in the land under the waterway which made it possible to rise enough to travel across before the magma chamber emptied and it sank below water level again. A perfectly logical scientific explanation.
Try the map on his paper:
http://www.simchajtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Jacobovici-The-Real-Mount-Sinaiwith-pictures.doc
He doesn't mention Paul. He discounts almost everything cited in the New Testament.
It may be scientific, but it doesn't necessarily explain that is what led them to the Mountain of God. . . It does not have to be a volcano. Tsunami actions can uncover sea floor for extended periods before the sea rushes back as well. It could have been a miracle. The light and noise atop the mountain, as well as the bush that 'burned without being consumed,' may well be better explained by looking to electrical phenomena. . . much of which is actually depicted Paleolithic rock art around the world
So, who’s making fun?
People who say that about him are mistaken at best. He is a filmmaker, and I definitely don’t agree with him 100 percent. Of course, the location of Mt Sinai isn’t a theological question anyway.
Try this link and zoom out. It is about 45 KM west north west of Agaba in the Sinai.
Other posters, not you. This is a great thread!
:’)
Exactly!
One of "those" posts, indeed!
Searching for Biblical Mt. Sinai
The case for Har Karkom in the Negev and the case for Saudi Arabia
Robin Ngo
02/14/2014
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/exodus/searching-for-biblical-mt-sinai/
‘Vatican to accept that Mt. Sinai is in Negev, not Egypt’
By STEVE LINDE
LAST UPDATED: 05/30/2010
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Vatican-to-accept-that-Mt-Sinai-is-in-Negev-not-Egypt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2524844/posts
Mount Sinai was volcano in Saudi Arabia, says scientist
By Roger Highfield Science Editor
13 Jun 2003
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1432915/Mount-Sinai-was-volcano-in-Saudi-Arabia-says-scientist.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/928064/posts
The short answer to our title question is that the Mountain of God, Mt. Horeb, Mt. Sinai and Mt. Paran are all names for Mt. Sinai, and Mt. Seir is important for determining the location of Mt. Sinai... -- What Do Mt. Horeb, The Mountain of God, Mt. Paran and Mt. Seir Have to Do with Mt. Sinai?
looks very unassuming
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