Posted on 04/10/2013 10:49:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Former Sex Pistol John Lydon says those now celebrating Margaret Thatcher’s death are “loathsome”.
John, famously known as Johnny Rotten when he was the singer in Punk icons The Sex Pistols back in the 1970s as Maggie was rising to power, added: “I’m not going to dance on her grave.”
He also said: “I was her enemy in her life, but I will not be her enemy in her death.” …
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Certainly is a change of tone from three years ago when he called for punk rockers to spit on Sarah Palin and Tea Party “chimpanzees” . . .Sex Pistol Johnny Rotten attacks hate mobs celebrating Baroness Thatcher’s death as “loathsome” and calls for respect
He attacks people when they are alive and lets them rest in peace in death, some class by Rotten.
well, I think it is some modicum of decency. If one attacks a person while they are alive, they can defend themselves, but if one smears a person when they are dead, it shows one as a coward
Well, it’s not like he has a career to damage.
“Certainly is a change of tone from three years ago when he called for punk rockers to spit on Sarah Palin and Tea Party “chimpanzees” . .”
Are there ‘punk rockers’ anymore? I thought they went extinct after Billy Idol went ‘mainstream’. They evolved into hyper-effeminate, lanky kids with jet black hair over their faces and Hot Topic discount cards in their wallets. The only ‘spitting’ today’s punk kids do is... well, we won’t say.
A little bit of class.
I can appreciate that.
It is one of the sadnesses in my appreciation of music that I find it harder to separate some of my favorite artists from their politics. (I really like PIL - John lydon’s later stuff and studio work culminating in That What is Not.)
Some artists just made it impossible: I was a HUGE CSNY fan, but after 9/11 they just went off the deep end with way-left screeds at their concerts. It was disgusting, and just made going to those (extremely expensive) concerts unbearable.
NOFX is an example of an absolutely brilliant punk band musically whose politics just mar them unbearably. If you are unfamiliar with NOFX and enjoy this kind of music listen to a track like Linoleum:
http://grooveshark.com/#!/search?q=NOFX+linoleum
What a tragedy they can’t keep their lyrics off politics! But that’s what they’re about, sadly (for me and for the world.)
On the other hand there is an aspect of Lydon’s stuff that appealed to me as somewhat of an anarchocapitalist... In the end there is a ‘duality’ here. To some degree Lydon and the punk scene created Thatcher and the “modern” conservative legacy, and vice-versa. I am not an expert on the subject but I always see the “extreme bounce” or “turning and turning in the widening gyre” aspect of things, where things have to Carter a bit before they Reagan. Lydon was/is a genuine original in my book, and I think, looking at his later lyrics, you can see that to some degree they’re just sort of ‘here and there’ artsy freedom ‘screw you censorship’ stuff, not really serious.
His interviews and statements probably indicate otherwise, I don’t really know. But I like to think, whether or not I am totally right, that the music itself is basically just music, his voice his (awesome in the 80s and 90s) voice.
I don’t think I want to let it color me too much - I have lost too much already!
Punk rockers ended up basically self-destructing. Back when Black Flag was big (early 80s), all that the hardcore punks did was start drunken fights and riot in the streets against cops, basically ruining their own scene and having their favorite bands banned in city after city. Those who were disillusioned with that scene switched to thrash metal, FWICS; lots of crossover there but without the stupid senseless violence.
Of course, the poseurs that emerged in the wake of grunge and the “pop punk” movement had nothing to do with their alleged forebears.
Reminds me a bit of Jerry Falwell’s death, when the classiest obit in the MSM came from Larry Flynt.
Back in HS I was. Mohawk, leather jacket, had my own bike which attracted the chicks. But I lost some of my street cred when I joined the varsity football team. No more emo stuff LOL. Figured I could get more girls by being on the team..
Did it work?
When Johnny Rotten thinks you’ve got no class you know it has to be true.
Sort of. The punk mode attracted the anti-social chicks while the jock mode attracted better quality girls. Plus, you get invited to more parties. Punks don’t go to parties ;)
Well hell, they are still alive. He never said that he respected Thatcher, only that it was disrespectful to act so after she died. So I guess by his logic a liberal can be as vile and hateful as they want to a Conservative as long as the Conservative is still alive.
Johnny Rotten on Judge Judy in the late 90’s:
John Lydon on Judge Judy - FULL Extended Footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSsPwERgYYM
if Even a self proclaimed reprobate has respect for his enemies- that says a LOT abotu the SCUM who are pissing on Thatcher’s grave right now
[[it shows one as a coward]]
Yuo jjust described about 9/10’ths of the left
[[Punks don’t go to parties]]
Sure we do- we crash em, steal the women and drive away laughing
The Sex Pistols produced one of the greatest anti-abortion songs ever. “Bodies”, from the famous Never Mind the Bollocks album.
She was a no one who killed her baby
She sent her letters from the country
She was an animal
She was a bloody disgrace
Body! I’m not an animal
Body! I’m not an animal
Dragged on a table in factory
Illegitimate place to be
In a packet in a lavatory
Die little baby screaming
Body screaming ****ing bloody mess
Not an animal
It’s an abortion
Body! I’m not animal
Mummy! I’m not an abortion
[Spoken]
Throbbing squirm,
gurgling bloody mess
I’m not a discharge
I’m not a loss in protein
I’m not a throbbing squirm
**** this and **** that
**** it all and **** a ****ing brat
She don’t wanna baby that looks like that
I don’t wanna baby that looks like that
Body, I’m not an animal
Body, an abortion
Body! I’m not an animal
Body! I’m not an animal
An animal
I’m not an animal.....
I’m not an abortion.....
Mummy! UGH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfChDxrz4Ow
Yes, I agree - but/and here’s a Q&A from a couple of years back:
Raleigh, North Carolina: A couple of years ago, a conservative writer published an essay in which he argued that punk rock was, by its nature, conservative! He pointed out that some punk rock songs had pro-life messages and (if I remember correctly) criticized the sorry state of Britain’s welfare state. What do you think about this idea?
John Lydon: That makes you conservative? Caring about unwanted babies makes you conservative? It makes you a realist! You listen to Bodies, and it’s clear I’m singing about a woman’s choice, mate. Don’t be moralizing with your religion and politics. It’s up to the mother. That’s how nature intended it to be. Heaven help me if I have to carry Godzilla in my tum for nine months.
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