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1 posted on 04/08/2013 4:57:57 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie; BillyBoy

I feel like celebrating the fact that a small handful of career politicians can’t choose Senators anymore.


2 posted on 04/08/2013 4:59:44 PM PDT by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Jacquerie

The 17th Amendment not only is evil but utterly illogical.as well. Its repeal is an essential step toward restoring America as envisioned by its Founding Fathers.


3 posted on 04/08/2013 5:02:00 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: NVDave; txrefugee; freedumb2003; muawiyah; cripplecreek; WhiskeyX; Carry_Okie; Rodamala; apillar; ..
17th Ping!

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The 17th Amendment and Republican Freedom
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4 posted on 04/08/2013 5:03:00 PM PDT by Jacquerie (How few were left who had seen the republic! - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Jacquerie

Completely agree direct elections for senators doomed us.


5 posted on 04/08/2013 5:03:47 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Jacquerie

Agreed! Completely there.


8 posted on 04/08/2013 5:12:32 PM PDT by veracious
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To: Jacquerie

Excellent treatise. Completely agree. The 17th needs to be repealed to get us back to a functional Constitutonal Republic as originally designed.


9 posted on 04/08/2013 5:16:10 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Jacquerie

For years I have thought that the key to restoring balance to the Constitution was repealing the 17th Amendment.


10 posted on 04/08/2013 5:20:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The founding fathers didn't form this country by compromising.)
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To: Jacquerie

1913 is a year that will live in U.S. History infamy. First the 16th Amendment allowing congress to tax incomes “without regard to any census or enumeration” and then the 17th which in effect destroyed federalism. Not to mention that Woodrow Wilson was installed as POTUS ushering in the Progressive Era that hit it’s zenith with FDR. The rest is just window dressing. The Republic essentially died in 1913.


11 posted on 04/08/2013 5:42:27 PM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Jacquerie

Agree 100%

It’s time to call an article V convention. We must do this now before its too late. If the libs take Texas its game over. Repeal the 17th. Strike the interstate commerce clause completely. Clarify the 2nd amendment. Etc.
in general restore our republic and return freedom and liberty.

Now we need Mark Levin to get with the program and quit wasting time worrying about the next election or any other reforms from inside Washington. It’s time for the states and the people to restore liberty.


12 posted on 04/08/2013 5:51:22 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: Jacquerie

I cannot tell you how much I agree with this.


15 posted on 04/08/2013 5:57:35 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jacquerie

To be fair, the old system wasn’t a gem, either.


18 posted on 04/08/2013 6:35:56 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Jacquerie

Nope.


22 posted on 04/09/2013 10:29:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Jacquerie

Ya’ done good.


25 posted on 04/09/2013 4:32:40 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Jacquerie

The 17th amendment effectively abolished the Senate and in its place it created a redundant house of reps.

Although we may not have a population knowledgeable enough about the nature of their own Federal Constitutional system to understand the devastating effect of this change. Much less knwoalgable enough about the nature of freedom & self-government to understand the cost of what is and has been lost as a result.

We who know cannot in our hearts deny the 17th Amendment’s effect to ourselves, nor the need to not only educate our population on the Constitution and John Loche theory upon which it’s founded. But to eventually guide them back toward a health respect for liberty and the competing decentralized interest which are necessary to practically defend & preserve freedom.


26 posted on 04/16/2013 11:50:47 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Jacquerie; Impy

I love the idea, and I hope that it can eventually happen, but right now, I wouldn’t trust some of these legisl00tures to pick their own noses, much less U.S. Senators.

Besides the David Dewhurst problem, as Impy pointed out, there could also be Senator KARL ROVE! And don’t forget, we have Maryland, California, New York, Massachusetts, Colorado and other liberal-infested holes, whose legislatures would probably pick Senators-for-Life Martin O’Malley, Andrew Cuomo and so on.

Even if the legisl00tures shape up, there would need to be a few other reforms in place for repealing the 17th to really work.

1. Repeal the 16th Amendment and the Federal Reserve and put us back on a gold standard, so Senators couldn’t bribe the state legislatures as much with taxpayer- and debt-financed handouts.

2. Overturn Reynolds vs. Sims, so state Senates can once again be divided by geography, not demography (1 man, 1 vote). This would reduce the influence of liberal urban politics somewhat in choosing the Senators.

3. Make the House of Representatives much more numerous, say, 1 representative per every 50,000 people. Sure, there would be over 6,000 Congresspricks, but at least there’s a better chance they would actually represent people, rather than special interests and ideologies, since individual campaigns wouldn’t cost so much. Campaigning for a much smaller district would presumably cost much less, making special interest and party money less of a necessity.

Gotta go.


29 posted on 04/20/2013 12:57:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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