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Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory
Infowars, Rense, Natural News, Before Its News, Salon.com ^
| January 18, 2013
| Alex Seitz-Wald
Posted on 01/20/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
While its often best not to engage with conspiracy theorists on their own turf, as you can probably never convince them, it’s worth setting the record straight on all the myths and phony evidence surrounding the Sandy Hook massacre.
Weve rounded up every major piece of evidence we could find that leads theorists to say the official narrative of events “doesnt add up” and provided the facts that show why these questions can be easily explained. Weve ignored the empty accusations with no evidence to support them (it was the Jews!) and focused only on the theories that try to present actual empirical or circumstantial evidence.
Let us know if we missed any and well add to it as more myths emerge. In no particular order, here is your comprehensive guide to disproving the Sandy Hook Truthers:
Why arent the adults sadder? They arent behaving the way human beings would act, as conspiracy theorist Jay Weidner told fellow conspiracy theorist Jeff Rense on his radio show. Theorists have zeroed in on Robbie Parker, who they say wasnt grieving hard enough for his slain 6-year-old daughter, Emilie. In one widely circulated clip, Parker laughs before stepping up to the microphone, and apparently someone says read from the card (as in cue card) before Parker breathes heavily in anticipation of beginning a press conference. This is what actors do to get into character, one popular YouTube video states. Rense and Weidner also take issue with the mourning of the school nurse, the family of slain teacher Victoria Soto, and others. ALL ACTORS??? NO TEARS, wonders the author of SandyHookHoax.com on a page featuring videos with numerous interviews from the shooting.
Answer: People mourn in many different ways, sometimes all at once. As a recent Scientific American article on gref noted, oscillation between sadness and mirth repeated itself in study after study … Time and again, a grief-stricken persons expression would change from dejection to laughter and back. George Bonanno, a psychologist at Columbia University who studies grief, even developed a way to determine if this mourner’s laughter was genuine or merely a facade to hide grief — he determined that they exhibited the real thing. Scientists think this is part of our internal resilience mechanisms kicking in, because constant grief is simply too much for a person to handle.
What about Emilie? One of the most common myths circulated on message boards and in YouTube videos is that Emilie Parker is actually alive. The proof is a photo purportedly showing her with President Obama when he visited the school after the shooting. Conspiracists know its Emilie because shes wearing the same dress as the one Emilie wore in a family portrait taken before the shooting (an alternative theory is that the girl in the photo with Obama is her double). Other websites take issue with the family portrait, alleging it was Photoshopped for some reason, pointing to the fact that the Emilie is making a devil’s horns sign with her hands and making the devils horn hand sign isnt easy. Try it yourself. Imagine getting a 3- and 4-year-old do it.
Answer: The girl on Obamas lap is Emilies little sister. Its amazing that we have to say this, but sometimes younger siblings wear clothes passed down to them from older siblings, and sometimes siblings look alike because they are siblings. And theres no evidence or even motive given for why the portrait would be Photoshopped. Making a devils horn gesture is actually incredibly easy. Try it yourself.
Why do they all look the same? Numerous websites juxtapose pictures of people from Newtown against pictures of similar looking people from Aurora, Colo., and assert they are the same actors.
Answer: Not all women with brown hair are the same person.
But what about the rifle? Alleged shooter Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle as his primary weapon, but conspiracist have seized on footage of police removing a long gun from the trunk of Lanzas car. This reveals the ‘Big Lie’ of the mainstream media … the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle was left in Lanzas car, conspiracy website NaturalNews states in a story picked up by Alex Jones InfoWars this week.
Answer: Actually, the gun shown being removed from Lanzas car was a shotgun he never used. Lanza brought three guns inside the school — the AR-15 and two handguns — all of which were found inside the school.
How come the memorial pages were created before the shooting? One of the most cited pieces of hard evidence in the hoax theory is that memorial pages for the victims were allegedly created before the shooting even took place. Theorists point to Google results giving dates before the shooting for various pages.
Answer: Actually, this is a very common glitch for constricted-date Google searches. The results are imprecise and can often display incorrect dates on the search page, even when the date on the actual page is correct when you click through to it. For instance, heres a Fox News story on the Sandy Hook shooting that Google says is from Oct. 1, 1983 — how come Fox News didnt stop the shooting if it had 30 years advance notice???
What about the car? Early on, theorists latched on to the notion that the black Honda Accord driven by Lanza was not actually owned by his mother, as police say, but by a man named Chris Rodia, who was mentioned on a police scanner at the time of the shooting. One theory is that Rodia may have been an additional shooter. An even more advanced theory is that Rodia may have been taking advantage of mentally ill people like Lanza and using drugs to make them do his bidding.
Answer: This one was debunked by the theorists themselves just a few days after the shooting. BeforeItsNews, a conspiracy website, obtained the police audio definitively debunking the myth (Rodia appeared on the scanner because he was getting pulled over in a traffic stop miles away, but his license plate doesnt match Lanzas car). This was a huge blow, because lots of people were making big leaps on this … but we now have to look elsewhere, another amateur investigator said on YouTube.
What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?
Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.
But there was another man in the woods (maybe): Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.
Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town who heard the gunfire.
What about the third man at the firehouse? Children fleeing the school said they saw a man pinned down on the ground in handcuffs outside the firehouse. Could this be a second or third shooter?
Answer: No, like Manfredonia, this man was briefly detained by police in the hectic aftermath, but quickly released when it was determined he was just a passerby, Connecticut State Police spokesperson Lt. Paul Vance, who was on the scene, confirmed to Salon. Were there other people detained? The answer is yes. In the height of battle, until youve determined who, what, when, where and why of everyone in existence … thats not unusual, Vance said.
Then why did some eyewitnesses report multiple shooters? Theorizers have parsed conflicting media reports and interviews with eyewitnesses saying they saw multiple shooters. How could they be wrong?
Answer: In the stress and confusion of a situation like a mass shooting, misreporting is not just common, but the rule. And there’s a reason eyewitnesses are viewed so skeptically in criminal court cases: They often get things wrong. The Supreme Court has called eyewitness testimony “notoriously unreliable” while the Innocence Project says ”eyewitness misidentification is the single greatest cause of wrongful convictions.” Yet theorists would have you believe that a small handful of media interviews with people on the scene trumps all the other interviews with people there and police and media reports.
What about that Gene Rosen guy? Theorists have fixated on Rosens account of that day and harassed him for it. Rosen sheltered six children during the shooting, but theorists have alternately claimed that Rosens accounts are suspiciously too consistent in various interviews he gave, or suspiciously inconsistent. Other people claim Rosen was an actor, because they claim he is . And what happened to the bus driver? Why did Rosen sit with the kids for hours? Why didnt he take them to the firehouse down the street where authorities were staging?
Answer: Rosen did invite the bus driver inside and she helped him contact their parents. An early AP report erroneously reported that he sat with the kids for hours, but he told us that the children were only inside his house for about 35 minutes. He did call their parents. Four parents came right away and Rosen took the remaining two to the fire station. Rosen is not a member of SAG (thats a different Gene Rosen, who is seven years younger).
But how was the dead principal quoted? Theorists seized on a quote on the shooting in the Newtown Bee from a Sandy Hook principal Dawn Hochsprung, who died in the shooting. How could she have been quoted if she died?
Answer: The Bee quickly posted a retraction and an apology: An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack. Things are confusing in the aftermath.
What about the LIBOR connection? Early theories posited that the fathers of both Lanza and alleged Aurora shooter James Holmes were set to testify before the Senate on the (real) LIBOR banking scandal. Could bankers have been involved in the shooting to discredit the supposedly explosive testimony set to be given by these two men?
Answer: This one falls apart in just about every way and the hardcore theorists abandoned it weeks ago as a bogus. Ben Swann, the Ohio TV reporter who thinks there were probably multiple shooters at Sandy Hook, investigated and determined there was “no evidence” to support any of the assumptions in the LIBOR theory. TPM also looked into it and found it to be “100% false.” There are no LIBOR hearings scheduled, neither man was selected as a witness, and neither man is in much of a position to deliver an explosive testimony on the scandal anyway.
Vance said he was disgusted by the conspiracy theories. ”There’s no hoax. I was there. I stepped over the dead children. That’s no hoax. And it’s offensive to me as an investigator, and it’s offensive to the families who lost their babies to have people come up with silliness like this. Whatever their reasoning is, whatever their rationale is, it’s just terribly offensive,” Vance added.
TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: adamlanza; alexjones; beforeitsnews; chrisrodia; conspiracies; dawnhochsprung; emilieparker; generosen; google; grief; guncontrol; hoax; infowars; jeffrense; libor; looneylooneylooney; mommysbasement; multipleshooters; newtown; newtownbee; nuts; rense; sandyhook; sandyhooktruthers; secondamendment
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To: VeniVidiVici
There was only one shotgun and it was the one found in the vehicle per police reports.
More than likely they searched his vehicle and the trunk and found that shotgun before going into the school. A mother was interviewed by the media who was there at the front door at that time while there was still shooting in the school and saw the doors of the vehicle open and stuff from inside the vehicle strewn about outside the open doors. Odds are they popped the trunk and found the shotgun then.
To: Gluteus Maximus
“The Parker thing is very disturbing. He was definitely acting.”
There are many actions involving the relatives of those killed that are disturbing. I realize that those grieving behave bizarrely, but way too many of them are smiling and yukking it up on camera. What became of the “Gene Rosen” interviews? None of what he said makes any sense at all.
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posted on
01/20/2013 10:37:32 AM PST
by
bitterohiogunclinger
(Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
To: mosesdapoet
“Lost in all of this is the police response time which has been reported as long as 20 munutes.”
I think that was just bad reporting, because the police radio logs have them on the scene just a few minutes after they received the first call.
To: combat_boots
“Finally, you are quick to answer back with something to any question.”
It’s pretty easy when the conspiracy theorists keep asking the same questions that have already been answered.
To: Uncle Chip
More than likely they searched his vehicle and the trunk and found that shotgun before going into the school. That doesn't make any sense. Cops are responding to an active shooter in a school with hundreds of kids. I find it unlikely they will stop and search a car that has a yet unknown link to the crime prior to going into the school to take out the shooter.
The statement prior makes it even more unusual:
9:53:25: Newtowns reporting one suspect down. The building has now been cleared.
9:55:25: Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun
Suppose they did find the shotgun prior to entering the school. They they find a dead Lanza who killed himself with a pistol. Why not report "multiple weapons - a rifle, shotgun and two pistols"?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but from the beginning I've found it strange that everyone says that the .223 would be the weapon of choice for this when clearly it would be the semi-auto 12ga shotgun. The only reason I can see Lanza not using it because it would probably have knocked him on his ass. But then, why bring it?
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posted on
01/20/2013 11:03:35 AM PST
by
VeniVidiVici
(Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
To: Uncle Chip
Those are not khaki camo pants and that was in fact the fire house.
To: VeniVidiVici
<> find it unlikely they will stop and search a car<>
Look at the picture of the location of his car at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
His black Honda was parked 20 feet from the entrance in a marked off No Parking Zone and stood out as unusual. It could have had someone hiding in it or explosive charges attached. They had to check it first. If they didn’t it would have been negligent of them.
Also there were 13 local police responding — while some were chasing the guy into the woods, others were checking the vehicle, and others were entering the school.
<>Why not report “multiple weapons - a rifle, shotgun and two pistols”?<>
They could have but they didn’t. They were still searching the building and probably expected to find more weapons.
What surprises me here is that some say that initial reports are the most trustworthy and therefore they cling to the NBC report as if it is Gospel because it was first.
Well it wasn’t first. This police dispatch was recorded LIVE and published the same day — a day before the erroneous “4 handgun” NBC report.
So if initial reporting is so trustworthy to these people then why aren’t they accepting the initial reporting???
To: Uncle Chip
And I don’t know why you are trying to argue this. Even the Newtown m newspaper admits the guy in the woods is the off duty police officer from out of town. That is not a conspiracy theory. What was his name?
To: wolfman23601
That sure looks like it may be a police officer wearing a kevlar vest and camo khaki pants.
Post the picture for others to see.
To: wolfman23601
Did you read the article???
There were two separate people identified:
1] Chris Manfredonia who was chased up into the woods by the school in the infamous video at the 3 minute mark and
2] this off duty police officer who they found in the woods — when and where no one knows.
To: MD Expat in PA
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posted on
01/20/2013 12:05:00 PM PST
by
ctdonath2
(End of debate. Your move.)
To: Uncle Chip
Ok, so you admit there is can alleged off duty police officer? What was his/her name? Whether or not you believe that someone just ran around the woods in khaki pants and clean dress shoes or than someone is going to see his daughter and make gingerbread houses wearing camo is irrelevant other than the sheer unbelievable pieces of the official narrative. The important question is who was this off duty seat team officer from another town and what was he/she doing in the woods at Sandy Hook?
To: Boogieman
Oh. So, if police were there within 3 minutes of the call, shooting would still have been going on, in a hallway lined with rooms that have big windows. Why didn’t they just shoot the guy or shoot high, draw fire and spare lives?
I stand by that question and my questions on the logistics and chain of custody for video, audio and photographic evidence. 0bama and cabal intend, if at all possible, to confiscate weapons by conflating this incident with gun ownership. The explanations for Sandy Hook are as incomplete as the moagic bullet of 1963 and the stand down order in Benghazi.
At bottom, I don’t trust or believe those interests who are vested in following the recipe for overthrowing the US. At present, that includes a lot of territory.
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posted on
01/20/2013 1:19:18 PM PST
by
combat_boots
(The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
To: wolfman23601
Post the picture — maybe someone will recognize him.
To: Gluteus Maximus
Coincidence theorists like the author look foolish to me - running around plugging holes in the dyke. This is a coincidence, thats a coincidence, the next fifty weird things about the case are all coincidences. And none of the coincidence theorists give any real accounting to the perennial question - Qui Bono. Its all very convenient politically speaking
And yet you fail to see the absolute irony of your last sentence, in light of all the sentences that come before it.
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posted on
01/20/2013 1:36:33 PM PST
by
drjimmy
To: wolfman23601
If Manfredonia was handcuffed in the front seat of a police cruiser at the fire station then this is not Manfredonia.
This guy is not handcuffed and he is at the school and he is wearing what appears to be a black bulletproof vest and khaki camo pants and dress shoes which you would expect him to be wearing if he was off duty.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2978643/posts?page=175#175
To: ctdonath2
Actually, most of this stuff in the article is just "explanations" with no real proof of anything, except for the gun parts. The Bushmaster was definitely the gun used by the shooter. However, even with these explanations doesn't mean this wasn't a put up job by the dimwits in order to pass their gun grabbing laws. In fact I believe that over the past 50 years or so more than one "mass shooting" was the work of left wing operatives with the intention of passing ever more restrictive gun laws.
Too many things point to this being true. Color me a conspiracy nut if you wish, but these things happen to often during a big push for gun control for them all to be done by "just some nut job".
Example: Big push in the early sixties for mail order guns to be outlawed. Bingo, President Kennedy is shot by a guy using(guess what) a mail order firearm. Before that they couldn't find an examples of mail order guns being used in crimes, at least not many. Now they had something solid to shove down our throats.
Like wise his brother was shot by a "Saturday night special" just when a big push to outlaw cheap firearms was going on. Viola, we were blessed with the 1968 firearms act.
Call me crazy if you wish, but too many such incidents have happened just when the big push for certain firearms restrictions was on. Remember what triggered the first so called "assault weapon" ban? It was a school shooting in Stockton CA by a released felon using a semi-auto(I think an M15)military look alike. Once again we have something very similar happening with the latest "assault weapons" gun grabbing attempt. Anyone who thinks all this sh** is just a coincidence needs to open their eyes. None of the stuff in this article disproves my(and many others)theory that the dimwits(communist)are behind these shooting, including the accidental discharges at 3 gun show yesterday.
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posted on
01/20/2013 6:25:59 PM PST
by
calex59
To: calex59
This sort of thing happens with enough frequency/regularity that no conspiracy is required - just be ready to move legislation and rhetoric when the next nut cracks.
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posted on
01/20/2013 8:01:21 PM PST
by
ctdonath2
(End of debate. Your move.)
To: ctdonath2; calex59
To: combat_boots
Well, be sure to let them know to call you next time they have a hostage rescue situation, to get the proper instructions, since you seem to have it all figured out.
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