Posted on 09/30/2012 8:04:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
I was at Dick's this morning to buy some 223 ammo and was paying in cash. Before the checkout clerk would ring me out I had to tap Yes or No on the pad for the question of "Are you a US citizen"? None of the other gun stores I frequent ask this question......will be my last ever Dick's Sporting Goods purchase.
Show me the law which says foreigners cannot shoot. If I were to bring a friend here from a foreign country, they could even open carry my handgun with no restrictions here in PA.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=677203
Thank you for contacting DICK’S Sporting Goods.
It is always our goal to ensure our customer’s satisfaction by offering quality brand products, store services and the best customer care to all of our valued customers.
I do apologize for any inconvenience you faced when trying to purchase ammo. Federal law prohibits firearms dealers from selling firearms and ammunition to a “prohibited person” because of that we have added a prompt at checkout just for verification purposes. It was not to upset you in any way and I apologize if it did, it’s just a practice that corporate has instilled due to federal law changes.
Your feedback provides us with the opportunity to review our customer’s concerns so that any necessary improvements can be made for the future.
It is our hope that you will return to our store to experience the level of customer satisfaction that we know we are capable of delivering.
We truly appreciate your time and we value your patronage.
Thank you and best regards,
Shane
Customer Service Representative
I then attempted to inform them that just because someone is a non-citizen, does not make them a “prohibited person”, as legal resident aliens are allowed to purchase guns, as well as ammo. This is the next response I received:
Hi Lucas,
Thank you for contacting DICK’S Sporting Goods.
It is always our goal to ensure our customer’s satisfaction by offering quality brand products, store services and the best customer care to all of our valued customers.
If you want further information you can contact your local ATF office if you have concerns. It is federal law that we can only sell ammo and firearms to legal US citizens so because of that we just ask for verification of that.
Your feedback provides us with the opportunity to review our customer’s concerns so that any necessary improvements can be made for the future.
It is our hope that you will return to our store to experience the level of customer satisfaction that we know we are capable of delivering.
We truly appreciate your time and we value your patronage.
Thank you and best regards,
Shane
Customer Service Representative
Being the kind of person that I am, I went ahead and checked out the BATFE website. On this page, they list the following regarding resident aliens and firearms purchases.
Q: May aliens legally in the United States buy firearms?
An alien legally in the U.S. may acquire firearms if he has a State of residence. An alien has a State of residence only if he is residing in that State and has resided in a State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. An alien acquiring firearms from a licensee is required to prove both his identity, by presenting a government-issued photo identification, and his residency with substantiating documentation showing that he has resided in the State continuously for the 90-day period prior to the purchase. Examples of qualifying documentation to prove residency include: utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, and pay stubs from the purchaser’s place of employment, if such documents include residential addresses.See also Item 5, “Sales to Aliens in the United States,” in the General Information section of this publication.[18 U.S.C. 921, 922(b)(3), (d) and (g), 27 CFR478.11 and 478.99(a)]
Now, firearms and ammunition are two different things, but as far as I know, there are not any laws baring legal resident aliens, who can purchase firearms legally from purchasing ammo to go with those firearms (except for rare circumstances with individuals under the age of 21 who legally possess a handgun, you guys are screwed).In my opinion, this citizenship question is poorly worded. If the wording was changed to something like “Are you legally allowed to purchase ammunition?” nobody would have a problem with it, and of course, nobody would probably answer “No” to that question either.
I totally understand this company not wanting to sell ammo to prohibited persons. Keeping a FFL in good standing, and following all of the laws regarding the sales of firearms, and ammo must be a daunting task for a mom and pop gun shop, and to try and keep everything kosher for a large chain must be mind boggling. However, since we now know that citizenship has nothing to do with whether or not someone is a “prohibited person”, hopefully Dick’s will re-visit this issue, and maybe change the wording of the question as not to keep legal residents from purchasing firearms and ammo.
“””So, if you’re looking for “gay” stuff, you should buy one of them kayaks....the kind you can ‘bind’ to the top of your VW or Mini-Cooper and drive up to the mountains to get into some white water and get all wet with your ‘roommate’....””
Their parking lot is full of those cars. I feel like a half a fag just going into the place.
Their company slogan should be.. WE LIKE DICKS!!!!
It does nothing. Clinton’s Motor Voter registration forms also ask if you are a citizen. Thousands check yes even though they are illegal aliens.
18 USC 922 (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise
dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or
having reasonable cause to believe that such person -
(5) who, being an alien -
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
But I'm clueless about the 2A!
;^) at Red.
See Post #46
How is it an infringement if they don’t ask for papers or ID and your purchse goes through regardless of what you ‘tap’? Sounds to me like it’s more of a numbers thing. I haven’t been to Dick’s in a month of Sundays, so exactly what is your beef with this? Do you live in an area where there might be a lot of foreigners? A resort area? Maybe they are trying to get an advertising demographic.
“Do non-citizens have American rights on our soil that they do not have on their own countries soil?”
Depends on the right. Do non-citizens who are arrested have 5th amendment rights when going through the criminal justice system? Yes - the 5th amendment is quite clear that “no person” shall be denied those rights. On the other hand, the applicability of Second Amendment rights is much less clear, as “the people” may have a narrower meaning (as in, “we, the people”) in the Second Amendment as “no person” does in the Fifth.
Can you even read? “illegally or unlawfully in the United States” Just because one is not a US citizen does not mean they are here illegally.
Try again.
How many are going to say no?
Better to ask for a drivers license or ssn to verify if you ask me.
I see them all the time. I live in North Georgia and I see these paired-up homos with kayaks on their Minis all the time....all the time....just what is it about strapping a nomex, leather-laced boot attached to a queer little dutch wooden shoe-like thing and then getting your form fitting T shirt all wet that makes it so......queery?
It doesn’t say cannot shoot...it has to do with purchase...see Post #46.,.,..
Show me the law then which dictates this.
Haha....I bet they sell a LOT of two-man pup tents!!!!!!
Thank you. Mystery solved. And if Dick’s does it, chances are that others do or will shortly as well.
Well, as an FFL Licensee I do my due diligence prior to selling a firearm or ammunition. Here are the laws/regulations that apply:
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-18.pdf
http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/ffl/ffl-newsletter-2008-11.pdf
Now, you can make an informed decision on who you would sell to, if you were invested in a multi-million dollar operation that sells firearms and ammunition. Mine is not a multi-million dollar operation, but Dick’s is).
RIBPA: You are clueless when it comes to the 2A.....I don't think I've ever seen a comment that made me laugh harder than this one!Laz:Yeah, I suck.
Makes me want to give more business to Dick’s Sporting Goods.
You people are making me want to sell my kayak. Though I do fish from mine, so I have that going for me.
Then why is Dick’s the only one doing this?
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