Posted on 07/29/2012 8:43:21 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
I guess you could say I started cheating on Windows back in October of 2010.
Thats when Apple debuted the revamped MacBook Air. For the first time, I could resume working almost as soon as I flipped the lid on a laptop, thanks to the way the notebook leveraged its flash memory. (Intel and Ultrabook makers wouldnt offer a similar instant-on experience until a year later.)
The Air was a work of art, but it didnt feel complete until OS X Lion arrived last year. With key time-saving features like Auto Save and Mission Control for faster multitasking, I started leaving behind my Windows notebook more and more. Now that Mountain Lion is here, I may never look back. Here are 10 reasons why you might want to do the same.
(For details on the bullets, read the article.)
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Well I see this thread has received some new life, largely due to the continued high-volume, clueless trolling by adorno. I hate to do this, but since it’s new ground, as well as easy pickings...
“When Apple allows its customers to uninstall OSX and install Windows in its place, without invalidating any warranties, that’s when OSX will meet its demise, since, Windows 7, and now Windows 8, are vastly superior products to any Apple OS, and much more useful with the millions of applications available for Windows.”
Apple has “allowed” this for years. You should look into “Boot Camp”. And of course the “demise” of MacOS is nowhere in sight, instead it is growing in popularity rather rapidly. Given that something like 90% of the code base is the same between MacOS and iOS, it has a long, healthy future ahead.
The fact is that few opt for Windows instead of MacOS, because most find MacOS to work better, to be more enjoyable, and to involve fewer problems. There is also the added bonus of the excellent bundled apps, including a solid backup program - something Windows 8 is rumored to include whenever it finally ships.
At any rate, I hope you find something more productive to do than what you’ve been doing on this thread - although given this lengthy display of ignorance perhaps it’s not surprising that you have a lot of time on your hands.
Cool. I'll keep it in mind. WifeofZeugma is planning on getting a Mac soon. Don't know if I'll be able to play with it or not. :-)
I built a pretty killer (Linux) desktop last year, so I don't really expect to be getting another for the next 5 or so years. (Last one lasted for 9 years). I guess I could make my current desktop an ESXi farm :-)
Cool. It's something for me to keep in mind, though I'm not really in the market for a desktop for the next several years.
Most of the objections to Macs I have seen here stem from sheer ignorance as to what OS X does routinely...
I believe you'll see that I admitted to that early on in my post.
And you're making his: that you're putting waaaaaaay too much time into the subject.
If you dislike Apple that much, don't use their products. As for your arguments putting down those products, others are out-voting you with their wallets to the tune of making Apple a half-trillion-dollar company ... while Microsoft just suffered their first loss quarter ever.
As for "you keep coming up with your "clueless trolling", which necessitates that, I correct you in so many areas",
Give it a rest. You do have more constructive and productive things to do with your life than berate people for their choice of tools.
My Mac stays up for weeks and months without needing to reboot. Not that booting's a problem: a Mac with one of those new SSDs will boot up in under 30 seconds.
Quick check:
cynwoody:~$ uptime 17:28 up 36 days, 3:49, 9 users, load averages: 0.63 0.47 0.51 cynwoody:~$
Except Macs are just better all around, as folks who understand technology know.
JPL at about 22:30 PDT last night just before the room erupted into relief and jubilation |
You’re so adornoble when you get mad!
Absolutely incorrect. Boot Camp came out in 2006, three years prior to Snow Leopard. You only can't run Windows 7 on earlier versions. Logically, you need the version of OS X that is contemporary to Windows 7. One problem with most Mac bashers is that they speak from a position of ignorance.
and Apple does not support the "application" if anything should go wrong while using Windows under Boot Camp.
Windows on Boot Camp is fully supported.
So, why even bother when Windows works in regular PCs without the need for middle-ware?
Boot Camp is not middleware. It is a multi-boot and repartitioning software similar to what is available on other systems, with some additions that make installing Windows easier (such as auto driver install after you install Windows). That does make for the easiest Windows install I have ever done, and I have done hundreds since Windows 2.
Meager Mac Pro upgrades worry enterprises
I almost regret informing you of the mysterious lack of Mac Pro updates, while the rest of the line has received a strong series of updates.
Most people who purchase Macs won't even be aware that they can use Windows instead of OSX
Most people think "computer" = "windows" and don't even know that anything else exists. At least they didn't until Apple started pulling in regular consumers in droves.
OSX will have become iOS, which would make OSX redundant and unneeded in the traditional laptop/ultrabook form-factors.
You probably don't realize that iOS is OS X, but with a different GUI and some differences in the included libraries. Jobs had an internal competition between sides that wanted a custom OS for the iPhone and the one that wanted OS X with mobile-oriented libraries. The OS X team won.
BTW, Microsoft copied this architecture for Windows 8. Now, for the first time, Windows mobile versions will be based on NT. That's why Windows 7 Phone is an orphan, no Windows 8 software will run on it, and no W7P software will run on Windows 8. Ah, all those poor consumers and developers who trusted Microsoft and got screwed.
So, I do try to stay informed
Mostly, not. And where you do make sense, you are only saying things that the rest of the industry has known for years.
Windows has always offered bundled apps, which is how the OEMs make their money with sales of PCs.
Yes, it's called "shovelware" because it's mainly useless crap that people feel is shoveled onto their computers, slowing it down and taking up space. OEMs and some retailers actually charge to remove this junk. Macs come with no such shovelware. You just stated another Mac advantage.
What's to enjoy with a stale platform
This from a guy who cheerleads a company that didn't put out a new consumer Windows version for six years, and then when delivered it was crap. Then it was two more years, for a total of eight, until Microsoft again released a decent operating system. And now it's been three years since and the successor is yet to be released.
Compare since that time 10.1 came out around the time of XP. Since then there have been seven versions, each more advanced than the last. The biggest gap between versions was a bit less than 2.5 years.
What stale platform?
Now, with Apple, the backup will have to be through iCloud, since the amount of storage on the Macs is now more limited than ever with expensive solid state storage
Most people backup to an external or network drive, not the solid state on the computer, which doesn't make much sense. For this, Apple has had Time Machine for years, much better than any Windows alternative.
You may also dread the news that Apple recently bought the Israeli company behind the most advanced technology for making SSDs more reliable, and therefore smaller and faster. Will Apple share this technology with others jumping on the SSD trend? Maybe, maybe not.
My iPhones have never had such a problem dialing. Take yours back. . . or, like other times your posted negative Apple comments, it's likely not true. I have numerous friends and acquaintances with iPhones who have no problems like you describe, so I suspect the latter.
You bought a Mac, expecting to run it like Windows... and returned it because it was not a Windows PC. Brilliant. Makes lots of sense. NOT. Your statement that you set up VM Fusion in Boot Camp, then that OSX is a shell over "what's left of a UNIX OS is just hokey and crippled" shows what little you know. OSX is a full implementation of UNIX, one of four certified to use the UNIX trade mark. Not crippled, not hokey. IF you know how to access and use it... which is quite easy... from both Lion and Mountain Lion. But you just didn't bother to find out how. And why, why, why, to Mac people rave about Mac getting thing that Window has been doing for years as if Mac just invented it?...It just shows Mac uses have no real awareness of other computers and so have no other point of reference...
Most of us are very fluent in Windows... we use Windows machines daily at work. You are the ignorant one... you demonstrate it with your post. You don't know HOW to use a Mac.
The first bullet in the article is trivial to do on PCs as well with any of a number of services like DropBox, Box, etc. I can’t remember the Microsoft version, but they have one too. So that’s a non-bullet.
I’m guessing that several of those others are similarly non-bullets.
Hmmmmm.... Apple OSX world Market Share is already over 6% and climbing... and in the United States it is already over 12%. In some states, it is over 25%! That is NOT "redundant"... and it is Microsoft Windows that is losing market share.
By the time a Mac is ready for the used-computer market, it will be outdated/obsolete, just like most computers after about 1 or 2 years. And, even then, a used Mac may still cost more than a new PC with the most current technology and the most current OS. Most people would prefer a new PC loaded with the latest and greatest, than something which, while it might still be "attractive" and "shiny" and have the Apple logo on top, would still be "old" technology and obsolete.
On the contrary, Macs have a far longer useful life than do Windows PCs... Macs can be updated to the latest OSX and have a resale value exceeding PCs for that reason up to five years after their date of introduction... and usually run faster with each OS update. The average Mac notebook computer is still going strong at six years of age, while the average PC notebook has been junked at three or four... or even two. That is why the used Mac resale value is much higher than the resale value of used PCs of similar vintage. You are simply wrong in your assessment. The MARKET determines value, not the components in them. If what you were saying were true, then used Macs would sell for a lot less than they do.
"Just for fun, why don't you link the $699 ultrabook you think is comparable to an Air?"
You still don't get it, and your arguing from the wrong angle.
YOU still don't get it... where is the link? Show us an Ultrabook for $699 that has the same specs as a MacBook Air... please. You've made a claim. Back it up. You claim the components are the same. Please show the components are from the same part of the bell curve of quality that the manufacturer supplies to Apple... Show us that the batteries last as long... that the screens have the same resolution... etc., for the price of a MacBook Air, $999.
I have looked... no $699 Ultrabooks come even CLOSE to the Macbook Air. There are some $900 to $1000 Ultrabooks that do... but they do not come with the suite of software that comes with a Mac... and they ALL have lower resolution screens and not one comes with a Thunderbolt interface (10 times faster than USB3), and they are comparable in pricing with the $999 Apple MacBook Air's specs... except that MacBook air is usually a little faster in the Processor department. A couple had a larger SSD. However, the point is, that ALL of the Ultrabooks are competitively priced with the Macbook Air... not your mythical $699. STRANGE, they all seem to COPY the look of the Macbook air, and none of them are quite as thin or as light.
So much for your "lot more expensive" argument. You really don't know what you are talking about.
Furthermore, you're not locked into the Apple walled garden, which means that, whatever you do with "your" equipment, had better be done through Apple's permission, and you can't really go to a PC expert who doesn't work for Apple, otherwise, your warranty for anything on that Mac becomes invalid.
More of the "you don't know what you are talking about" twaddle. That will not invalidate your warranty. If you want a warranteed item fixed under warranty, of course, you get it fixed by a certified Apple warranty station... otherwise, you are free to do with it as you please. What you add will not be covered, of course.
So, my retort would be that, "none are so blind as the sheep that worship at the feet of Jobs (he's dead, so...), at the feet of Apple?".
And we, who have quit hitting ourselves over the head with the Microsoft mallet, wonder at those of you who continue to do so... time and time again. . . and who try to tell us how wonderful it feels to hit themselves again and again. We've stopped and will not go back to self-abuse again.
Adorno, you need NO MIDDLE WARE to handle Windows on a Mac... you can install it natively if you wish. Your ignorance is showing. Boot Camp is merely a utility to facilitate boot switching between booting into Windows or OSX... if you boot into Windows (any flavor) your Mac IS a Windows machine... no difference than any other. In fact, several Windows PC magazines have reported that the finest Windows PC they have EVER tested has been a Mac! Middleware is only needed if you want to run Windows in a sandbox within OSX... perfectly possible... along with quite a few OTHER OSessimultaneously if you wantincluding multiple instances if Windows. I've done that myself when I was running support sessions for my various clients running Windows and Linux.
The fact is, adorno, the other PC owners were polled... and they rated their boxes and the makers, on their satisfaction with the computers and the service and they were no where near Apple... the best were nine points lower. And some well known Windows PC makers, for service were down in the 20s!!!! Further, Adorno, since there are now 65 million Apple users, most of whom were PREVIOUS Windows PC users, they are not mind-numbed "fanboys" worshipping their computers who know nothing of other computers... they've been the abused users of those other computer makes and know far better than apparently YOU what a good experience is! You've yet to experience it!
Macs may have a large selection of software, but, PCs have many times that selection, so, why limit yourself?
No, again you have it wrong, Mac users have the Mac OSX software selections PLUS all of the Windows selections in all flavors from 3.1 through Windows 8, Linux, and UNIX, and MS-DOS, if a Mac users wants to use it. Most Mac users find it is totally unnecessary to delve into that morass of software; the best in class is usually available for the Mac. Your road analogy is right... but for the Mac, not for the Windows PC... the Mac is the one that can drive on every road, not the Windows PC. It is the limited one. We Mac users know this, you don't. We do it every day, routinely. You are telling us we can't do something we ARE do... easily.
You make assumptions on what you have heard... we are telling you what we have experienced. That trumps your hearsay.
I have on my desk, a PC with six cores, and 16 gigabytes RAM and 2 terabytes storage and a 24 inch screen, with a great graphics card and great sound, with Windows 7 Pro, and now Windows 8. All of that cost me $799 last year. When I priced a comparably equipped Mac, the price came close to $3000. I wouldve felt stupid spending $3000, which is more than 3 times the money I did spend.
You compared an average desktop computer with a WORKSTATION class computer. They are NOT COMPARABLE. Does you computer have XEON processors? No. Does it come with ECC memory? No. Is it designed to drive EIGHT 30 inch monitors? I doubt it. The Apple is designed for a totally different target audience. Obviously, not you. You claim the "experience" would have been more limited, without even trying it. You really have no clue what the experience is. You think "specs" are all there is. I will tell you, you are wrong.
Apple does not play in the budget market. Apple is not about to do that. Those who do, go broke.
Yet, even PC sales have been going up, and last report I saw, had them increasing sales by about 3%. That 3% increase, alone, would be equal to all or more of the Mac sales. After all, 3% of a huge number is, another huge number. And, Windows 7 has sold more than 630 million licenses since it was introduced 3 years ago, and thats just Windows 7. The total Windows market share is more than 90%, and its on approximately 1 1/2 to 2 billion computers around the world. Macs? Well, theyre still at a tiny fraction of that. Super-duper advantage: PCs!!!!! Uh, no.
Tablets are biting into PCs shipments, and shipments of Windows PCs dropped to a new low of 73 percent of all devices accounted for in the survey, Canalys said.PC shipments were disappointing, and a new category of thin-and-light laptops or ultrabooks have not helped boost the shipments. Ultrabooks have not hit low price points and have yet to excite large numbers of buyers, Canalys said in a statement.Canalys quoted in PC World, August 1, 2012
Where ever did you get that idiotic idea? Most people with Macs are extremely happy to have finally gotten rid of everything remotely Microsoft! Yes, some have installed Windows in either a partition on the Hard Drive because they thought they would need it, but only a very small minority ever use it... other have it in a sandbox on their desktop to run a single program that is ONLY available in Windows for their work. That's IT. The rest find they wasted their money installing Windows on their Macs. They say they will NEVER go back to Windows.
Please, adorno, tell me what I cannot do on my Mac that you can do on your Windows box??? Please?
I have TEN OSX Macs running at my office. We haven't restarted them in months... They don't hibernate either. Run 24/7. Oh, they've been running now for four years. No anti-virus software and no firewall except the one on the network router.
OSX has had "Spaces" for several years now...
Adorno, You are the one who has presented NO FACTS, merely your unsupported opinion based on hearsay from myth. NOT ONE FACT has adorned one of your posts... every one has denied the machines we are sitting here using, denying things we are DOING right now. Who are we to believe? YOU? Or our own experiences? Me? I think I will believe 30 years of working with both Windows computers and Macs over your ignorant twaddle, you who have never shown ANY indication that you have any experience at all with a modern Mac. When challenged for any facts, you present more of your opinion and insult as proof... BAH!
Adorno? Apple allows you to do that now... In fact, Apple will do it FOR YOU... no problem, no voiding of your warranties. Apple will even sell you the Microsoft Windows version you want. They just will not warranty your Windows install... Microsoft will have to do that.
You, my friend have no clue as to whether OSX is or is not inferior to Windows 7 or 8... You have never used it. It can run BOTH of those OSes in a sandboxed partition within it, and never bobble. You cannot say the reverse. That would suggest that the UNIX underlying OSX, which has undergone 45 years of trial by fire, far longer than either of those upstart OSes, is superior.
As to dancing, I have told you that the Apple Mac can run FAR more software than can your Windows machine... that is a fact. So you are again wrong.
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