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To: PreciousLiberty
Well I see this thread has received some new life, largely due to the continued high-volume, clueless trolling by adorno. I hate to do this, but since it’s new ground, as well as easy pickings...

So, whenever somebody disagrees with your take on things, your definition for that is "trolling". Perhaps then, I should be calling you a "troll", since, you disagree with me? And, if there's anyone here with the clueless argument, then, it has to be you, since, you still haven't got a coherent or factual argument.

“When Apple allows its customers to uninstall OSX and install Windows in its place, without invalidating any warranties, that’s when OSX will meet its demise, since, Windows 7, and now Windows 8, are vastly superior products to any Apple OS, and much more useful with the millions of applications available for Windows.”

I stand by that argument.

Apple has “allowed” this for years. You should look into “Boot Camp”.

Yet, for that, you do need the Boot Camp software, and a setup in a different partition, and a separate copy of Windows OS; and Apple does not support the "application" if anything should go wrong while using Windows under Boot Camp. So, why even bother when Windows works in regular PCs without the need for middle-ware?

In addition:

Boot Camp supports Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 2, Windows Vista, or Windows 7 (requires Mac OS X v10.6 or later and Boot Camp 3.1 or later). For more details, see Boot Camp: System requirements for Microsoft Windows. For information about using 64-bit editions of Windows Vista or Windows 7, see Boot Camp: Macs that work with 64-bit editions of Microsoft Windows Vista and Windows 7.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1461

That means that, any Macs that were sold without Snow Leopard OS, won't be able to run Boot Camp. People had better upgrade their OS or get a new computer in order to run XP, or Vista, or Windows 7, or any Windows applications. That's an expensive proposition. Now, with Windows 8 shortly to be released to consumers, will Boot Camp be ready? Or will they have to start all over again?

And of course the “demise” of MacOS is nowhere in sight, instead it is growing in popularity rather rapidly.

Meager Mac Pro upgrades worry enterprises
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/mac/meager-mac-pro-upgrades-worry-enterprises/2226?tag=nl.e102

Apple’s recent announcements in June, which seemed to leave the Mac Pro behind in its product development plans, sounded an alarm. Upgrades were confirmed to replacement of aging CPUs, and seemed to be more in the spirit of just keeping the machine maintained. Even more revealing was Apple’s exclusion of the same Thunderbolt data throughput upgrade that was announced for iMacs. MacBook Airs, MacBook Pros, and Mac Minis. Thunderbolt I/O technology matters because it moves data up to 20 times faster than USB 2.0 and 12 times faster than FireWire 800.

While it may seem like Apple still supports the desktop Mac, many speculate that, it's on the way out.

And with iOS features being merged into OSX, with OSX looking more and more like iOS, then, OSX will have become iOS, which would make OSX redundant and unneeded in the traditional laptop/ultrabook form-factors. Those who own any laptops from Apple, and any older Mac Airs, may see their portable computers become obsolete, and unsupported in the near future. Apple is headed towards a product line which is strictly mobile computing, with heavy emphasis on iPhones and iPads and iPods, with the iPod becoming redundant, since, the iPhone has virtually all the same features as those iPods.

So, I do try to stay informed, especially about what's happening around technology and software, since, that's been my career. Perhaps it's you that needs to get in touch with technology, since you are apparently the one that's clueless.

The fact is that few opt for Windows instead of MacOS

Most people who purchase Macs won't even be aware that they can use Windows instead of OSX, so, a lot of them won't be making the switch. But, if it became widely known and even advertised that Macs can run Windows, you can be sure that, more and more would make the switch, especially with OSX becoming another iOS for the heavier duty portable computers. Again, you can see the concentration by Apple on mobile devices, with the demise of the desktop Mac Pro expected sometime in the future.

With the professional side of Mac usage, there are plenty of people who do like Mac hardware, but, there are many of them who have switched to using Windows 7 more than they do OSX. It's more to do with being productive and developing for the platform with the much larger number of users, that, of course, being Windows.

Given that something like 90% of the code base is the same between MacOS and iOS, it has a long, healthy future ahead.

You're making my point.

With MacOS becoming less relevant with each new update, what you'll have left is iOS, which is mostly for the mobile/internet combo, which would indicate that, the traditional Mac is on the way out, not right away, but, eventually. To Apple the post-Mac era arrived a long time ago, but, since they're still making money on the Macs, they'll keep them around for a while longer. They're not really updating those Macs, and they're just trying to provide the minimum required updates in order to keep those devices kind of relevant.

The fact is that few opt for Windows instead of MacOS, because most find MacOS to work better, to be more enjoyable, and to involve fewer problems.

What's to enjoy with a stale platform, which provides a lot less fun than any PC, which has millions of applications written for it, and with many times the games and entertainment applications as can be found for Macs? MacOS may work adequate enough for what can be done with them, but, Windows 7, and now, Windows 8, offer a lot more and at a much better quality and a lot lower price. It's like there are people who might be happy with their 5 room homes (Apple), but, the people with 90 room homes (Windows) are a lot happier and spending less than those with the 5 rooms. ;)

There is also the added bonus of the excellent bundled apps, including a solid backup program - something Windows 8 is rumored to include whenever it finally ships.

Believe it or not, Windows has always offered bundled apps, which is how the OEMs make their money with sales of PCs. And, for Windows, there are low cost and even free apps for backup. Now, with Apple, the backup will have to be through iCloud, since the amount of storage on the Macs is now more limited than ever with expensive solid state storage, and which is going to be an expensive proposition in itself. Advantage: Windows, by a large margin.

At any rate, I hope you find something more productive to do than what you’ve been doing on this thread

I do have more constructive and productive things to do with my life, but you keep coming up with your "clueless trolling", which necessitates that, I correct you in so many areas.

although given this lengthy display of ignorance

Glad to see you recognize so much of your own ignorance. Keep it up, and you'll begin to make some sense.

perhaps it’s not surprising that you have a lot of time on your hands

You're taking up too much of my valuable time with your "clueless trolling", and, somebody has to argue against so much of your ignorance.

Now, go and get informed, and start thinking about what Apple has in mind, instead of trying to defend them so much. Are you an employee of theirs, or are you so much in love with Apple that, you've become blinded to the facts?
105 posted on 08/06/2012 1:06:36 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
You're making my point.

And you're making his: that you're putting waaaaaaay too much time into the subject.

If you dislike Apple that much, don't use their products. As for your arguments putting down those products, others are out-voting you with their wallets to the tune of making Apple a half-trillion-dollar company ... while Microsoft just suffered their first loss quarter ever.

As for "you keep coming up with your "clueless trolling", which necessitates that, I correct you in so many areas",

Give it a rest. You do have more constructive and productive things to do with your life than berate people for their choice of tools.

106 posted on 08/06/2012 2:02:58 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: adorno

You’re so adornoble when you get mad!


109 posted on 08/06/2012 8:56:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: adorno
That means that, any Macs that were sold without Snow Leopard OS, won't be able to run Boot Camp.

Absolutely incorrect. Boot Camp came out in 2006, three years prior to Snow Leopard. You only can't run Windows 7 on earlier versions. Logically, you need the version of OS X that is contemporary to Windows 7. One problem with most Mac bashers is that they speak from a position of ignorance.

and Apple does not support the "application" if anything should go wrong while using Windows under Boot Camp.

Windows on Boot Camp is fully supported.

So, why even bother when Windows works in regular PCs without the need for middle-ware?

Boot Camp is not middleware. It is a multi-boot and repartitioning software similar to what is available on other systems, with some additions that make installing Windows easier (such as auto driver install after you install Windows). That does make for the easiest Windows install I have ever done, and I have done hundreds since Windows 2.

Meager Mac Pro upgrades worry enterprises

I almost regret informing you of the mysterious lack of Mac Pro updates, while the rest of the line has received a strong series of updates.

Most people who purchase Macs won't even be aware that they can use Windows instead of OSX

Most people think "computer" = "windows" and don't even know that anything else exists. At least they didn't until Apple started pulling in regular consumers in droves.

OSX will have become iOS, which would make OSX redundant and unneeded in the traditional laptop/ultrabook form-factors.

You probably don't realize that iOS is OS X, but with a different GUI and some differences in the included libraries. Jobs had an internal competition between sides that wanted a custom OS for the iPhone and the one that wanted OS X with mobile-oriented libraries. The OS X team won.

BTW, Microsoft copied this architecture for Windows 8. Now, for the first time, Windows mobile versions will be based on NT. That's why Windows 7 Phone is an orphan, no Windows 8 software will run on it, and no W7P software will run on Windows 8. Ah, all those poor consumers and developers who trusted Microsoft and got screwed.

So, I do try to stay informed

Mostly, not. And where you do make sense, you are only saying things that the rest of the industry has known for years.

Windows has always offered bundled apps, which is how the OEMs make their money with sales of PCs.

Yes, it's called "shovelware" because it's mainly useless crap that people feel is shoveled onto their computers, slowing it down and taking up space. OEMs and some retailers actually charge to remove this junk. Macs come with no such shovelware. You just stated another Mac advantage.

What's to enjoy with a stale platform

This from a guy who cheerleads a company that didn't put out a new consumer Windows version for six years, and then when delivered it was crap. Then it was two more years, for a total of eight, until Microsoft again released a decent operating system. And now it's been three years since and the successor is yet to be released.

Compare since that time 10.1 came out around the time of XP. Since then there have been seven versions, each more advanced than the last. The biggest gap between versions was a bit less than 2.5 years.

What stale platform?

Now, with Apple, the backup will have to be through iCloud, since the amount of storage on the Macs is now more limited than ever with expensive solid state storage

Most people backup to an external or network drive, not the solid state on the computer, which doesn't make much sense. For this, Apple has had Time Machine for years, much better than any Windows alternative.

You may also dread the news that Apple recently bought the Israeli company behind the most advanced technology for making SSDs more reliable, and therefore smaller and faster. Will Apple share this technology with others jumping on the SSD trend? Maybe, maybe not.

110 posted on 08/06/2012 9:04:43 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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