Posted on 02/19/2012 3:57:01 AM PST by Chance Hart
First off, I am a conservative and have spent countless hours listening to and reading the books of all these men. Reading Levin's Liberty and Tyranny was compelling, as were many of the publications of these Patriots. With the VAST amount of Constitutional research accumulated in order to write these best sellers, there is and has always has been one important fact known to ALL these men to be a Constitutional FACT missing. That non negotiable FACT is that according to the Constitution, Barack Hussein Obama is NOT eligible to be placed on the ballot, let alone occupy his present position as President of the United States of America! Obama himself touts the fact that his father was a British Subject at the time of his “BHO 2’s” birth, making him at the very least a duel citizen and not eligible to hold the office as president. Furthermore, Daddy was NEVER a citizen of the United States, again making Jr. ineligible with that fact alone. None of these men (as far as I know) served in the military for whatever reason and I think there may be some suppressed guilt because of that when I hear their accolades regarding current and former Men of Honor. As they refer to many of their callers and guests as “Brother”, they at the same time have never felt compelled to commit the heroic act of jumping on a Firecracker, let alone a Grenade to help save their “Brothers” and in the end help save this Nation. Levin is the one that has disappointed me the most when I heard him disenfranchise many of his loyal listeners on Jan 19th, 2010 (may have been the 20th) by referring to those that even questioned the eligibility issue as (paraphrasing) ignorant and foolish. He followed that comment by saying that Obama was of course eligible to be President. He, in my opinion is an expert on the Constitution and knows full well that his statement was an out and out lie. When the truth finally reveals itself, I can almost hear the excuses from these Less than Honorable radio and TV Patriots now – 1. I was given strict orders from station bosses not to bring up or allow discussion on the eligibility issue and to refer to those that do bring it up as ignorant Birthers. 2. Yes, I of course knew the simple truth, but decided it was the wrong approach to be honest when the proper way to handle this was at the Ballot Box. 3. Book sales were BOOMING and I was too GUTLESS to show the Courage that I ask my listeners to display on a daily basis. 4. There are a few in the business that are standing their ground on this issue and Liberals are calling them names. Sticks and Stones will break my Bones and even Words would really hurt me because I AM A COWARD! By the way, there are thousands of these Cowards walking the halls of Congress and other places that have at least to this point failed to MAN UP. All this makes me admire all the more the few that in their heart really do trust God Almighty and FEAR NO EVIL.
Now, what Spaulding knows - because it has been pointed out to him many times - is that SR511 dealt with children born overseas to American parents. He pretends it means that all NBC require two citizen parents, even tho he knows that was not the subject of SR511. That is dishonest. Nothing in SR511 in any way applied to those born in the USA. Frankly, there is a stronger case for Obama being a natural born citizen than there was for McCain. There has been legal doubt all along concerning those born to US citizens abroad. The confusion caused by the mistranslation of Vattel in 1797 was settled by the WKA decision in the 1890s, but the case for McCain is weaker.
OK, I'll accept your comments with respect to Spaulding as being true, but where are the others?
You said, “It doesn’t help that birthers on this thread have made dishonest statements that they know are dishonest.”
That's birthers plural, so where are the others?
Well said!
I agree.
I don't. Levin is a coward!
You can add Andrew Breitbart to the list of cowards and traitors.
I bet there is no definition of the word “is” either.
If lawyers were to write the Constitution today it would be in fine print and the size of the IRS code.
Fundamentally....Our success as an experiment in self-rule depends upon the good will and honesty of the citizens and their representatives. Finely crafted Constitutions with mountains of defined terms will **NOT** save this nation. If the people are evil tyranny will follow.
The conservative yappers are COWARDS. They talk big but absolutely will not defend the Article 2, Section 1, and many other “sensitive” subjects as well.
Again the are big mouthed COWARDS! PHONIES!
“Talk radio continues to do nothing more than placate conservatives and sooth us into in-action, It has been successful beyond the imagination of the most ardent leftist. These “anger pimps” make money and do nothing all the while making us FEEL like something good is happening. WHERE THE HELL WERE THEY DURING THE DADT DEBACLE? AWOL.”
Well said.
I apologize. I should have written, “It doesn’t help that [a birther] on this thread ha[s] made [a] dishonest statement that [he] know[s] [is] dishonest.”
WHERE THE HELL WERE THEY DURING THE DADT DEBACLE? AWOL.”
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Exactly!
They are cowards not only on Article 2, Section 1, but many other subjects as well.
I think it is noteworthy the C.S.Hannity was scheduled to conduct the first on-air interview with Where's the Birth Certificate author Jerome Corsi following the book's release. My understanding is that this interview had been scheduled several months prior and that C.S.Hannity canceled it only a few hours before it was to have occurred.
So the first interview fell to Steve Malzberg who USED to be on opposite C.S.Hannity on WOR-AM in NYC, and who had a bigger NYC audience than C.S.Hannity. Radio stations don't just give up the largest drive time audience in their market. They just don't. But Malzberg would speak openly and honestly about the birth certificate issue, until he was dropped.
(BTW, the "C" stands for "Chicken.")
ML/NJ
Levin is a tower of jelly. A major league phony.
It is supposed to be a government by the PEOPLE so it is not up to the talk show hosts to tell us anything, it is not up to the politicians to tell us anything, it is up to us to go vote using a little common sense rather than voting for every thing that sounds good or makes us seem like a gooood citizen.
Not being argumentative just saying that we the people only have our selves to blame because we have had some chances to straighten some of this out but every time some one runs for public office with the agenda of stopping some of this socialism crap they are dubed anarchist by the socialist left, and the conservatives fall for it hook, line and sinker.
I refuse to listen to them or watch them.
They are COWARDS and PHONIES, and they make me sick.
Hey, you are a stand up guy. Just what I would expect from a FReeper.
Remember the old adage, "If you have to exaggerate a point, you probably didn't have much of a point".
I understand that birthers reject that idea. But at a bare minimum, all ought to be able to agree that honest people can look at the evidence and disagree with the idea that two citizen parents are required.
posted on 02/19/2012 5:15:07 AM PST by Mr Rogers
-- He did not ignore that argument, but he rejected it - based on the WKA decision & Ankeny. Had he done otherwise, he would have been promptly overturned as an incompetent judge for ignoring the law. --
Which is it? There is room for honest disagreement, or disagreeing with the position you advocate represents incompetence and ignorance?
The Constitution gives us only two ways to remove a president from office. 1). Vote hime out and 2). Impeachment. Fox news and radio talk show hosts aren’t mentioned.
You can try to pressure your representative and/or you can work like hell to get him voted out.
That one has been watered down too. No right to trial by jury on quite a few exceptions.
Mr. Rogers criticism of Spaulding is pretty weak tea. Spaulding’s offense was not phrasing the remark in a way that suited Rogers. I’m sure Spaulding knows that SR511 was limited to the facts of McCain’s birth; and without saying so, those facts do not apply to the circumstances of Obama’s birth. The Senate has yet to say that a child who is a dual citizen at birth, due to citizenship of one or more parent; or location of birth; is also a natural born citizen.
Figure of speech ...
As far as calling conservative talk radio hosts spineless I stand 100% behind my opinion of them ... each & every one. They are remaining mum on the Obummmer eligibility issue which easily has the potential to be the biggest fraud foisted on the citizens of this country by the liberal MSM and the Washington power brokers ... ever.
You think that because Levin is a genius and you are an idiot.
Chance Hart (and able side kick central_va),
Nice post on an important issue. I consider both Limbaugh and Levin to be among the small group of my personal heroes. They are not perfect (who of us are?) but they are far from being cowards. There is so much to do countering the progressive/socialist/statist agendas that they are focusing on areas that THEY have chosen as potentially most productive use of THEIR time and energies.
There are “lesser gods” in the conservative, liberty-loving pantheon who HAVE chosen to focus much of THEIR time and energy on the Natural Born Citizen issue. And I commend these folks for their efforts. To the extent I am able, I have tried to provide some financial assistance to their noble efforts. And I would encourage fellow conservatives to do the same.
I do feel antipathy toward the folks who are clearly on a JIHAD against anyone who want to challenge or support a challenge of Obama eligibility under the Natural Born Citizen requirement for the US Presidency. A long time ago my Dad told me that I should “be careful, all people are not who or what they say they are”. That admonition has stuck with me to this day and paying careful attention to it has helped me avoid some potential bad outcomes in my personal life. And seeing some of the postings of these anti-NBC requirement jihadists raises a red flag for me. What motivates these regularly appearing “usual suspects” to expend so much energy & time trying to derail any discussion or activity related to this issue? Things that make you go Hmmmm.
Obama and his minions are fighting this with every thing they have because they know if it ever breaks lose, he’s going down — and a lot of people are going to go down with him.
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