Mosin Nagant table-top review and comparison to an American standard

Youtube.com ^ | 2011 | operatorerror

[dynachrome]

OperatorERROR shows us the options we have for sniperizers. He compairs and shoots the American made SOCOM16 vs the Mosin Nagant

[Pilsner]

From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!

It you ever get a batch of Commie surplus ammo that causes the weapon to jam, discard the rest of the ammo. The Soviets had a machine gun that fired 7.62 x 54R ammo, but they loaded it a lot hotter than 7.62 x 54R rifle ammo.

[Mariner]

"Yeah, we Army guys know they're Squid-borne Rangers. ;) "

Well Soldier, I'm glad to see the US Army knows its place.

It's place is winning real, no-shit wars.

Logistics.

Chow halls. Hospitals. Latrines and Showers.

The Marines aren't big enough, or comfortable enough for such luxury:)

Yes, they can shoot too.

And as you well know, some soldiers can't shoot. It's not culturally essential as it is in the USMC.

[VeniVidiVici]

The Marines aren't big enough, or comfortable enough for such luxury:)

Hmmm. I've heard that more than once in my travels overseas.

:-)

[Sea Parrot]

I have a Finnish Model-39 that was barreled by Sako in 1942. it was used in the 1941-44 Continuation war against the Soviets. Most all Finnish Model-39 rifles were barreled by, Sako, Valmet and Tikka with the final assembly of all rifles done by Sako. The Finns were absolute fanatics about built in accuracy for all their battle rifles, they were the original one shot, one kill guys.

The Model-39 with a standard bore of .312" is one of the most accurate battle rifles ever fielded. Before it could be put into service, each one had to be capable of a 1.3 inch group at 100 meters. When they were sighted in at the armory they were fitted with individual front sight blades of different heights as required for each rifle. The height was so stamped on top of the wide blade post sight and at the sight base. IRRC, the Model-39 was the only battle rifle fielded in WW2 that front sight was easily adjustable for windage in the field. On the front sight left windage adjusting screw, it is surrounded by 8 dots, each dot represents one minute of angle at 100 meters. The rear sight has small lightly stamped crosses beneath the left and right sliding surfaces. And it was woe to any Finnish trooper who dast put a file to either the front or rear sight.

My Model-39 was built on the receiver from a Russian Mosin Nagant made in 1914, captured by the Germans (receiver so stamped) in WWI, then sold or given to the Finns. All the Finnish barreled rifles from 1918 until the 1950s were built on a captured or bought Russian MN receiver, as the Finns never made any receivers. If the ammo is any good, my Model-39 and Eastern Bloc rounds with the superb issue iron sights, can shoot one inch groups all day long at 100 yards.

[mnehring]

I heard Jesus carried a Mosin.

[libertyhoundusnr]

Get your bolt bent to handle a scope (cheap). Put a slip on recoil pad (small works fine) for $10 or so. Get a decent mount for $20. Get a cheap Barksa 4-24X scope for under $50 and enjoy blowing away oil cans at 400 yds. Bulgarian 182gr machine gun ammo can be had for $6 a box of 20. It has increased recoil but hits very hard.

[Sea Parrot]

Most stiff MN milsurp fired cartridge extraction is because some people never get the cosmoline completely cleaned from the chamber. (nor the bore for that matter) Then if fired much and cooked in, it can become an hours long project to get it clean at times.

[Sea Parrot]

Nothing wrong with long range shooting for my original JM Marlin Ballard #5 Pacific (circa 1877-78) in 45-70. It is deadly out to several hundred yards

[smokingfrog]

Mmmm. I think maybe I did detect a wee bit of humor.

OperatorERROR might have been the first clue.

Whatever. It ain’t steak sauce.

[dagogo redux]

“From personal experience: stay away from lacquered ammo!”

Amen! Whole web sites devoted to keeping them from fouling. Mine’s been cleaned and broken in for years now after much effort, and a pleasure to shoot. Ammoman has scads of the good stuff in bulk usually.

[mylife]

Mine is 1897 Sestroyetsk

[Tainan]

'at boys got "OSSIFER" material writ big all over himself.

"...it ain't steak sauce..."

[Texas Fossil]

Beautiful weapon.

Have a friend who owns several 45-70 rifles. I think one of them is a Ruger No. 1.

My father has a trap-door 45-70 that was given to him when he was 3 years old by a great uncle. The uncle had carried it during the Spanish/American War. That is not a strong action, have read it was a modification of a muzzle loader to accept the brass cartridges.

[Sea Parrot]

It is true he trapdoor came about as a way to convert the .58 caliber rifled muskets used by both the north and the south during the civil war. A tightwad Congress was not ready to give one money for developing a breech loading rifle from scratch.

The “Allin Conversions” were first, followed by the 1868 50-70, then the 1873 45-70 Springfield,with further modifications as to sights etc in the 1887 Springfield.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

[51 - 54, difference of three, whatever - don’t matter.]

It ABSOLUTELY does matter! Improper Head spacing is a deadly error.

Not only that the Mosin is pure junk. Poorly engineered tooling, sloppy cambering standards, not to mention, sub standard and inconsistent steel used in manufacture.

Countless numbers of these “cheap” excuses for a rifle have blown up in their owners faces.

[Sea Parrot]

You have no idea as to what you speak.

Give provenance to back up what you state as facts.

[Sea Parrot]

You have no idea as to what you speak.

Give provenance to back up what you state as facts.

[smokingfrog]

It worked well enough against the Germans.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

[PSYCHO-FREEP]