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Fundamental question on how life started solved
University of Bonn ^ | May 9, 2011 | Unknown

Posted on 05/09/2011 3:14:09 PM PDT by decimon

German and US researchers calculate a carbon nucleus of crucial importance

The researchers published their results in the coming issue of the scientific journal Physical Review Letters.

"Attempts to calculate the Hoyle state have been unsuccessful since 1954," said Professor Dr. Ulf-G. Meißner (Helmholtz-Institut für Strahlen- und Kernphysik der Universität Bonn). "But now, we have done it!" The Hoyle state is an energy-rich form of the carbon nucleus. It is the mountain pass over which all roads from one valley to the next lead: From the three nuclei of helium gas to the much larger carbon nucleus. This fusion reaction takes place in the hot interior of heavy stars. If the Hoyle state did not exist, only very little carbon or other higher elements such as oxygen, nitrogen and iron could have formed. Without this type of carbon nucleus, life probably also would not have been possible.

The search for the "slave transmitter"

The Hoyle state had been verified by experiments as early as 1954, but calculating it always failed. For this form of carbon consists of only three, very loosely linked helium nuclei - more of a cloudy diffuse carbon nucleus. And it does not occur individually, only together with other forms of carbon. "This is as if you wanted to analyze a radio signal whose main transmitter and several slave transmitters are interfering with each other," explained Prof. Dr. Evgeny Epelbaum (Institute of Theoretical Physics II at Ruhr-Universität Bochum). The main transmitter is the stable carbon nucleus from which humans - among others - are made. "But we are interested in one of the unstable, energy-rich carbon nuclei; so we have to separate the weaker radio transmitter somehow from the dominant signal by means of a noise filter."

What made this possible was a new, improved calculating approach the researchers used that allowed calculating the forces between several nuclear particles more precisely than ever. And in JUGENE, the supercomputer at Forschungszentrum Jülich, a suitable tool was found. It took JUGENE almost a week of calculating. The results matched the experimental data so well that the researchers can be certain that they have indeed calculated the Hoyle state.

More about how the Universe came into existence

"Now we can analyze this exciting and essential form of the carbon nucleus in every detail," explained Prof. Meißner. "We will determine how big it is, and what its structure is. And it also means that we can now take a very close look at the entire chain of how elements are formed."

In future, this may even allow answering philosophical questions using science. For decades, the Hoyle state was a prime example for the theory that natural constants must have precisely their experimentally determined values, and not any different ones, since otherwise we would not be here to observe the Universe (the anthropic principle). "For the Hoyle state this means that it must have exactly the amount of energy it has, or else, we would not exist," said Prof. Meißner. "Now we can calculate whether - in a changed world with other parameters - the Hoyle state would indeed have a different energy when comparing the mass of three helium nuclei." If this is so, this would confirm the anthropic principle.

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The study was jointly conducted by the University of Bonn, Ruhr-Universität Bochum, North Carolina State University, and Forschungszentrum Jülich.

E. Epelbaum, H. Krebs, D. Lee, Ulf-G. Meißner, Ab initio calculation of the Hoyle state, Physical Review Letters, 2011. Online: http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v106/i19/e192501 DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevLett.106.192501

Contact: Prof. Dr. Ulf-G. Meißner Helmholtz-Institut für Strahlen- und Kernphysik der Universität Bonn Ph.: +49 228/73-2365 Email: meissner@hiskp.uni-bonn.de

Prof. Dr. Evgeny Epelbaum Institut für Theoretische Physik II Fakultät für Physik und Astronomie der Ruhr-Universität Bochum Telefon: +49 234/32-28707 E-Mail: evgeny.epelbaum@rub.de


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1 posted on 05/09/2011 3:14:11 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Hoyle and trouble ping.


2 posted on 05/09/2011 3:14:49 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Oh boy!!

*gritted teeth*

I will watch — and ONLY watch — this thread!!!!


3 posted on 05/09/2011 3:15:43 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: decimon

Two of my brothers and I came to the same conclusion about 8 years ago while having beers after a football game...


4 posted on 05/09/2011 3:24:45 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: decimon

I bet they asked the wrong question.


5 posted on 05/09/2011 3:26:40 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: TASMANIANRED

They found the magical Penumbra of Emanations from which the Supreme Court draws its conclusions.


6 posted on 05/09/2011 3:44:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TASMANIANRED

They found the magical Penumbra of Emanations from which the Supreme Court draws its conclusions.


7 posted on 05/09/2011 3:44:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: decimon

Bflr


8 posted on 05/09/2011 3:48:33 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: decimon

Big Hoyle has been gouging us long enough. We need to quit subsidizing it.


9 posted on 05/09/2011 3:58:39 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: decimon

Who created the elements??? These people have there head where it should not be. (I’m a lady and will not say where their head is stuck.)


10 posted on 05/09/2011 4:45:30 PM PDT by Linda Frances
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Thanks decimon.
The Hoyle state is an energy-rich form of the carbon nucleus.
Instead of a singularity, it results in a solitairity.

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11 posted on 05/09/2011 5:27:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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12 posted on 05/09/2011 5:27:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: decimon

http://news.discovery.com/space/is-the-sun-emitting-a-mystery-particle.html

Yup.

And the new news is that it seems the findamental constants of nature ain’t.
Constant, that is.

So whatever these guys spent big bucks to find so that they can get all puffed up about it will be outmoded in like maybe 9 more months or so.

The closer we look, the more elusive it gets.


13 posted on 05/09/2011 5:33:36 PM PDT by djf (One mouth. Two ears. Is that some kind of hint???)
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To: SunkenCiv

When will they add Unobtainium and Upsidaisium to the chart?


14 posted on 05/09/2011 5:34:02 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: SunkenCiv
Dogs in a Hoyle state:


15 posted on 05/09/2011 5:40:49 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

And I would say the title is misleading. This has zero to do about how life started. Energy levels? Heck, if the energy levels weren’t right, the chair I’m sitting on would evaporate into the cosmos.

If they want to talk about life starting, tell me about the origins of the cellular membrane. Tell me how the sodium-potassium pump started, since life as we know it is impossible without it.

I really wish these editors would catch on...

(PS: I realize the title is what the article has, so I’m not whining about anybody here...)


16 posted on 05/09/2011 5:42:07 PM PDT by djf (One mouth. Two ears. Is that some kind of hint???)
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To: Hoodat

;’) That’s probably what inspired this one. Either that, or the bogus map of the world that came as a fold out in the “National Lampoon Encyclopedia of Humor” back in the 1970s.


17 posted on 05/09/2011 5:46:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: decimon

VERY misleading title.


18 posted on 05/09/2011 5:50:47 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: babygene
Two of my brothers and I came to the same conclusion about 8 years ago while having beers after a football game...

We have a picture.


19 posted on 05/09/2011 5:59:58 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 838 of our national holiday from reality. - OBL Dead? The TSA can go away!)
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Diamond Dogs

20 posted on 05/09/2011 6:01:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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