Posted on 04/28/2011 4:34:08 PM PDT by rocco55
How is it that the "original" long form birth certificate recently issued by the White House has no State Seal anywhere on the image ? Every 'real' long form document from the State of HI during this period exhibits this seal except this new arrival (and boy, does it ever look new, as in "hot off the press"). As would be expected, both Nordyke twins have this embossed circular seal but ironically, there is not even a faint indication of one anywhere on the White House image. IMHO, this should be the FIRST point of order when questioning the veracity of this image.
Second would be the word "African" in the 'race of father' field. There may be an outside chance that the Hawaiian official specifically chose to use that word because the father was a student from another country, but during this period, the generally accepted term would most assuredly be "Negro" (possibly "Black"). Unfortunately, in order to make a case for this argument, one would need another birth certificate from this period of a child with at least one black parent, which has yet to surface.
Thirdly, the Nordyke twins' Registrar is not consistent with Mr. Obama's. It is true that the 'UKLLEE' signature is on other original long form certificates from this era, but not on Kapiolani Hospital forms. One would expect that children born within one day of each other in the same hospital with the same staff would have the same Registrar.
Fourthly, the County and State field entries on Mr. Obama's document varies from those on the Nordyke docs. His has "Honolulu, Hawaii" and theirs has "Honolulu, Oahu". This may appear like a minor point, but because these children were born within ONE DAY of each other, the forms should be virtually identical with respect to the entries made in these respective fields.
The fact that the curvature of the lines on the left side of Mr. Obama's new document are inconsistent with the green basket-weave lines is not a point of concern as this is evident on other original documents from this period. I have a copy of another 1962 long form with this identical characteristic.
Many have claimed that the White House altered the documents they purportedly received from the State of HI and I personally do not know if this is a fraudulent document or not, but if it is, wouldn't Alvin Onaka be taking a large risk having his name stamped at the bottom ? Although I personally do NOT trust the current administration, I haven't heard anyone comment on Mr. Onaka's liability.
Just a few thoughts. Thank you.
Yeah, it is a fake. Open it and zoom on any of the letters, there is none of the expected aberration from a hard copy being scanned. I’m not a birther, at this point it matters not where that man was born, but it is easy to prove that .pdf on the whitehouse.gov site is not scanned from either of the copies of the LFCOLB that the records show Obama asked for.
Call names all you want guys, the file is faked, but nobody wants to listen except us “nutty birthers.” I may be a nut, you are free to ask around, but I fought people all day yesterday about what they considered proof of fakery and I was unconvinced until I watched the Denninger video. This is as big a pile of horse pooky as the Bush memos from the 2004 election. Sad, none of the biggies on the radio want to listen to a serious scientific analysis of the document and that really pisses me off.
Now, could you please cite the law that defines NBC?
IF you’d do your own research you’d have seen plenty of cases define what a NBC is...and if you are too lazy to do that...well...STFU
Download the birth certificate from the White House site. It is supposed to be a COPY of the original ... meaning every pixel on it should be exactly at the same density as those in the surrounding area. Look at the “1” in the birth certificate number, then zoom in on it and compare it to the adjacent “4” ... they are not the same. If this was a direct copy, all those pixels would be the same, they are not ... this thing has been messed with. I don’t care where the jerk was born, but to keep using “past tense” because this “official document” shows up is ridiculous. A total novice can tell this doc has been altered. C’mon folks ... check it out, use your heads. You’re going to let them “fake you out” with this POOR quality forgery? I’m not a birther, but this doc is a complete fake ... why aren’t people screaming about it?
“IF you’d do your own research you’d have seen plenty of cases define what a NBC is...and if you are too lazy to do that...well...STFU”
Wow, that was a strange way to say that there is no law that defines natural born citizen.
“this doc is a complete fake ... why aren’t people screaming about it?”
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But, but...Dat would be Raaaacist.
Also, the media and other pseudo elitist pompous asses, including some FReepers, say that is sooo low class to be a “birther”.
No, what I'm saying is that copies of "official" documents up until at least 1965 did indeed have an official embossed seal which was placed so as to include the date of the copy and the signature of the person certifying the document as being a "true copy".
Why should his be any different, unless they stopped using them at one point ?
That is a very good question, the only way to answer it would be to query the Hawaiian registry office as to their policy. Or perhaps see if any Hawaiian FReepers have copies of a long form birth certificate dated later then 1965 (preferably several covering a range up to 2011). That sort of data would reveal if and when Hawaii stopped using a seal on their "certified" copies.
I do know that Notary Publics in Wisconsin no longer use an embossing seal, as of late they use a rubber stamp and an ink pad. Not nearly as classy and subject to falsification via photoshop.
Regards,
GtG
“There are laws on NBC...but you appear to be too lazy to read all that has transpired since 1776 on NBC...so again I say STFU”
Well then why is it that no Birther is able to name one of these laws?
Give it a rest.
Your argument does not even approach the minimum standards of coherence. Many of our past presidents: Van Buren, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, Hoover, and of course Obama, all had at least one foreign born parent.
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The Citizenship Status of Our 44 Presidents
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/02/citizenship-status-of-our-44-presidents.html
“There are laws on NBC...but you appear to be too lazy to read all that has transpired since 1776 on NBC...so again I say STFU”
Well then why is it that no Birther is able to name one of these laws?
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You really need to get out a bit more often.
Do a little research on John Bingham. Hint: He plays an important role in framing the Fourteenth Amendment nd in the process confirms the 2 citizen parents as being required to meet the level of NBC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bingham
A stamped signature is worthless.
Look at all of the real signatures on Obama Sr immigration docs
There are so many laws and cases through the years...it takes time and research to go through all of them. I gave you a whole slew of them to read yourself...but all you can do is come back with smart-aleck answers and not go read them for yourself. It is obvious you aren’t actually looking for the laws and cases on the question of NBC...otherwise you’d have shown yourself worthy...instead you’ve proven yourself to be worthless...
“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))
While that may be interesting, it is not relevant as he elected to not include that text in the 14th Amendment.
There are so many laws that the Vice President who certified the election before Congress and the Chief Justice who delivered the Oath
of Office to Obama did not have time to read them all, even though they both knew the citizenship status of Obama’s father.
While that may be interesting, it is not relevant as he elected to not include that text in the 14th Amendment.
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He didn’t need to. The 14th Amendment was intended to deal specifically with citizenship status of former slaves in the aftermath of their emancipation. It was not intended to address Article 2 of the Constitution.
Ok, now take any document. Scan it. And then import it into a pdf file.
Voila, layers.
Now, what you SHOULD be asking for is a tiff of the original. It would be big, but at least it would be unaltered in any way. You would be able to tell if any single pixel was changed.
This, at least, is not a conspiracy. It is ignorance. It is failure to think that people look at everything as if everything is a conspiracy.
Not when it says "or abstract" in the certification statement.
Since I didn’t call anyone a name I presume you meant them and the cries of blog pimp?
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