AN 'ORIGINAL' LONG FORM BC WITH NO EMBOSSED STATE SEAL ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oshcDV8I0KQ ^

[rocco55]

How is it that the "original" long form birth certificate recently issued by the White House has no State Seal anywhere on the image ? Every 'real' long form document from the State of HI during this period exhibits this seal except this new arrival (and boy, does it ever look new, as in "hot off the press"). As would be expected, both Nordyke twins have this embossed circular seal but ironically, there is not even a faint indication of one anywhere on the White House image. IMHO, this should be the FIRST point of order when questioning the veracity of this image.

Second would be the word "African" in the 'race of father' field. There may be an outside chance that the Hawaiian official specifically chose to use that word because the father was a student from another country, but during this period, the generally accepted term would most assuredly be "Negro" (possibly "Black"). Unfortunately, in order to make a case for this argument, one would need another birth certificate from this period of a child with at least one black parent, which has yet to surface.

Thirdly, the Nordyke twins' Registrar is not consistent with Mr. Obama's. It is true that the 'UKLLEE' signature is on other original long form certificates from this era, but not on Kapiolani Hospital forms. One would expect that children born within one day of each other in the same hospital with the same staff would have the same Registrar.

Fourthly, the County and State field entries on Mr. Obama's document varies from those on the Nordyke docs. His has "Honolulu, Hawaii" and theirs has "Honolulu, Oahu". This may appear like a minor point, but because these children were born within ONE DAY of each other, the forms should be virtually identical with respect to the entries made in these respective fields.

The fact that the curvature of the lines on the left side of Mr. Obama's new document are inconsistent with the green basket-weave lines is not a point of concern as this is evident on other original documents from this period. I have a copy of another 1962 long form with this identical characteristic.

Many have claimed that the White House altered the documents they purportedly received from the State of HI and I personally do not know if this is a fraudulent document or not, but if it is, wouldn't Alvin Onaka be taking a large risk having his name stamped at the bottom ? Although I personally do NOT trust the current administration, I haven't heard anyone comment on Mr. Onaka's liability.

Just a few thoughts. Thank you.

[Vermont Lt]

You are kidding right?

Its dead. Move on to something else. You are not going to win.

[al baby]

Go back to Du you big dope

[Norm Lenhart]

Nope. Not dead. Thanks for playing though. Be sure to get your consolation prize.

[rovenstinez]

Yeah, there is a LOT of stuff he could have dug up to prove his birth. What papers did he submit to get a US Passport. For those of us in foreign countries, we have to go through rigorous ordeals getting an APOSTILLE seal from the State Dept, and it has to have seals, ribbons, and a brass grommet with forensic experts who examine it and stamp it. He didn’t prove anything, this is the same jpg file he always showed..on the WH website. I want to see MORE>

[Vermont Lt]

Hey, how do you know I am big?

[47samurai]

Give it a rest.
Your argument does not even approach the minimum standards of coherence. Many of our past presidents: Van Buren, Buchanan, Arthur, Wilson, Hoover, and of course Obama, all had at least one foreign born parent. Besides, under our Constitution, The House of Representatives is the final certifying body to an election, and, in each case, their word is final. The House did vote to make each of these men president, thereby giving their final stamp of approval as to the legitimacy of the election. So, regardless of your complaints, BO IS our president.

You see, even if you were somehow able to PROVE, (which you cannot) that BO was born in Kenya, it would not change the fact the the House certified the election. He WILL be the Prez until at least Jan 20, 2013.

Give it a rest and concentrate on how to remove a Marxist from the Whitehouse.

[forgotten man]

When I applied for my passport I was told that I needed a certified birth certificate with a raised seal. I got it from Los Angeles County and you can feel the official seal.

[AlexW]

“Its dead. Move on to something else.”
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Most people CAN walk and chew gum at the same time.

I think the BC issue is still fascinating, and it is
OBVIOUSLY one that Obambie is scared of.
The issue is far from over.

Americans need to be throwing every stone they can find.

[noiseman]

Um, you might want to re-read the Constitution. No one, including the Congress, has the authority to certify someone as an eligible candidate if they are in fact not eligible per Article II. Your description of what it takes is nonsense. By your description, we could elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as President of the U.S., just so long as the Congress certified his candidacy. Sorry, wrong... not even the Congress can override the clear requirements contained in the Constitution.

[J40000]

This is not even about his citizenship anymore folks...

It’s about FRAUD and forgery by the POTUS.

This is just the tip of an iceberg.

[jwparkerjr]

IIRC from seeing the image a couple of times yesterday I don't think there is any wording anywhere on the document that states it's an official document. The one they used for comparison said across the bottom that was an official document. There was nothing along the lower border of the Obama document.

I could be wrong, I didn't spend a lot time looking at it. But I did notice how much of the typed text on the Obama document was centered, as though it had been done with a word processor. On the other one the fields that were perfectly centered on the Obama document were left justified, as you would expect it be when typed by hand.

Just my casual observations!

[noiseman]

The problem this time around, just as with the posting of the alleged Certification of Live Birth earlier, is chain of custody. In both cases, the supposed proof was provided by Obama campaign/administration officials. Im sorry, but that just won't fly.

Were this truly an innocent attempt to just release what exists in the Hawaiian archives, then why not simply authorize the Hawaii Department of Vital Records to release it directly to media representatives without the Obama middlemen? That fact alone tells me that this smells of fraud once again.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

How is it that the "original" long form birth certificate recently issued by the White House has no State Seal anywhere on the image ?

Yesterday I posted an image of a contemporary Hawaiian COLB (July 1961) as a copy made in 1965. The image was a "photostat" which oldsters will recognize as it appears as a photographic negative. (prior to widespread use of copy machines, copies of "official" documents were made using a large view camera with a finite conjugate ratio copy lens to take a 1:1 magnification of the document on photographic paper). The image I posted followed the same format of the Obama copy with the exception that it did indeed show an embossed seal intersecting both signature and date of copy. It appeared to be a separate document which was placed in the frame of the COLB image to signify the overall image as a "True Copy".

Obama's COLB appears to have been copied (scanned) from a bound book (curved lines on the left margin) into a "PDF" format of more then a few layers with differing elements of the document appearing on different layers. The section at the bottom appears to be typed directly on to the safety paper and the signature was applied with a stamp. There is no seal of any type applied as on the older documents from 1965.

Regards,
GtG

[SwankyC]

Nope. Not dead. Thanks for playing though. Be sure to get your consolation prize.

I take it you'd be willing to wager $500 that says you nutjob birthers are going to get him impeached and removed from office due to this BC thing then? I would say NLT August should be ample time for the Democrats in Congress to come to their senses over your open and shut case.

[4rcane]

I don’t consider myself a birther, but I’m convinced that the version that birth certificate white house released is a fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c
heres the proof. They simply opened the pdf up in adobe illustrator and you can clearly see that theres layers

[GeronL]

It could have been written on the back of a napkin and the MSM would report it as a true BC. lol

[AppyPappy]

If it is a digital copy, there are embedded seals that you cannot see.

[rocco55]

The new White House doc has Alvin Onaka’s stamped and dated signature at the bottom. Doesn’t this imply a degree of liability for him as the endorsing State Registrar ?

[spookie]

natural born means the child was born of two u.s. citizens whether they themself born here or naturalized. That is what makes a natural born.
Sorry Obama has a British father from the Kenya colony and a U.s citizen mother.