Posted on 04/28/2011 4:34:08 PM PDT by rocco55
How is it that the "original" long form birth certificate recently issued by the White House has no State Seal anywhere on the image ? Every 'real' long form document from the State of HI during this period exhibits this seal except this new arrival (and boy, does it ever look new, as in "hot off the press"). As would be expected, both Nordyke twins have this embossed circular seal but ironically, there is not even a faint indication of one anywhere on the White House image. IMHO, this should be the FIRST point of order when questioning the veracity of this image.
Second would be the word "African" in the 'race of father' field. There may be an outside chance that the Hawaiian official specifically chose to use that word because the father was a student from another country, but during this period, the generally accepted term would most assuredly be "Negro" (possibly "Black"). Unfortunately, in order to make a case for this argument, one would need another birth certificate from this period of a child with at least one black parent, which has yet to surface.
Thirdly, the Nordyke twins' Registrar is not consistent with Mr. Obama's. It is true that the 'UKLLEE' signature is on other original long form certificates from this era, but not on Kapiolani Hospital forms. One would expect that children born within one day of each other in the same hospital with the same staff would have the same Registrar.
Fourthly, the County and State field entries on Mr. Obama's document varies from those on the Nordyke docs. His has "Honolulu, Hawaii" and theirs has "Honolulu, Oahu". This may appear like a minor point, but because these children were born within ONE DAY of each other, the forms should be virtually identical with respect to the entries made in these respective fields.
The fact that the curvature of the lines on the left side of Mr. Obama's new document are inconsistent with the green basket-weave lines is not a point of concern as this is evident on other original documents from this period. I have a copy of another 1962 long form with this identical characteristic.
Many have claimed that the White House altered the documents they purportedly received from the State of HI and I personally do not know if this is a fraudulent document or not, but if it is, wouldn't Alvin Onaka be taking a large risk having his name stamped at the bottom ? Although I personally do NOT trust the current administration, I haven't heard anyone comment on Mr. Onaka's liability.
Just a few thoughts. Thank you.
I've been away for a long while and, having returned - likely only momentarily - I'm amazed at the level of childish behavior displayed here by, presumably, adults.
I recently had to get a copy of my state-issued COLB (this is accepted for DL and passport). I was surprised that it did NOT have an embossed seal. It is instead on what is called ‘security’ paper with ornate border and printed seals. The only added stamps are the date and some kind of serial number.
My older county-issued ‘Certificate of Birth Registration’ with an embossed seal is no longer accepted!
And Congress just sits there with their finger up their you know what.
Utterly despicable bunch of overpaid and overrated bureaucrats.
One can argue that Obama has waived his right to privacy by releasing this information. If so, then we should do the following:
1) Publicly ask Obama to waive access to the information, since he has already publicly released it.
2) People can now request uncertified copies from the Hawaii Department of Health, now that the document has been made public (let's see if the office can reproduce the document).
3) The hospital no longer can hide behind the excuse of privacy because hospital information (including the doctor) has been released by Obama. They should now release corroborating information, such as shift reports or billing records.
If the document is real, the Hawaii Dept. of Health should have no problem turning out additional copies to those who pay the fee for one, now that it is public domain knowledge.
-PJ
The press and authorities never cared WHO forged the National Guard memos in the AP-CBS Bush October Surprise case.
With such open disregard for facts and accuracy, I don’t trust any electronic document that is shown to me with “signatures”. Cut and paste. Show me ink signatures on paper and then we can talk.
Seen it done before by Rat operatives without prosecution of the forgers.
The birth certificate matter won’t result in Obama being tossed from office or his signed Executive Decrees and legislation to become null and void because there is no will from the Congress to do anything in a timely manner (less than 2 years) even if it were proven without a shadow of a doubt that he was showing forged documents.
Do I think this is a forgery? Likely not, but those picking at the details are the sort who EXPOSED Rather’s ginned up documents (which AP was also presenting as genuine).
So, if I understand you correctly, are you saying that documents pre-dating 1965 did NOT have embossed seals ?
Even if that’s the case, it is my understanding that every long form copy (which is what BO’s is) has this circular seal. Why should his be any different, unless they stopped using them at one point ?
“natural born means the child was born of two u.s. citizens “
Could you please state the law that defines NBC?
Not sure where I read it but that pdf ‘layers’ argument has been thrown out.
Apparently all pdf documents are done in layers.
I am just reporting what I have read and you can still count me as a ‘birther’ or someone who is still unconvinced of the Obummer’s NB citizen status .. as far as his parents go!
Excellent concept, but the State of HI has been most uncooperative when meeting requests for any docs of their Ruler. The have even broken their own laws and refused birth “index records” for 1961 which are ABSOLUTELY available upon request and do not have any “tangible interest” protective clauses.
However, I love your idea and if there is a way to pursue it, I am all for it ! Good post !
Try Resolution 511, co-sponsored by both BO and Hillary. They approved McCain as a vaid candidate and natural born citizen because he was born on a U.S. military base and the child of two US “citizens” (PLURAL !) -— hellloooo ?????
Check it out for yourself on GOOGLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCjAmEgjkUc
this version address what you just said and its false. They can appear in layers but you can’t manipulate the layers as you can clearly do this the one released by the white house. Whoever was forging it, the White House version forgot the flatten all the layers into one
People (at the very least, news organizations) should be asking to get their own uncertified copies of the document, now that it is in the public domain.
-PJ
There is no embossed seal, which you would expect, but Alvin T. Onaka did certify it in this way at the bottom of the pdf:
I certify this is a true copy or ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE in the Hawaii State Department of Health. (caps added)
Looks like it is an abstract and not a true copy. If this is the case, Obama has made a BIG mistake releasing it. The public needs to see a true copy and only a true copy will suffice.
I have to agree with others, though, that the Constitutional issue of his not being an NBC should be the focus of any investigation, with these other important issues accompanying.
Very not.
www.puzo1.blogspot.com has legal explanations of natural-born citizens.
you don’t need to be a birther to realize theres something wrong with the version released by the white house. I still don’t consider myself a birther, but the pdf is clearly a fake
I don’t seem to recall President Bush signing Resolution 511 into law.
Did he veto Resolution 511?
Or was Resolution 511 a Non Binding Resolution?
Everyone, or at least most, here on Free Republic are working to get the usurper out of the White House.
The following was posted earlier today. So, for your edification...
Obama demanded detailed birth certificate after continued questions
Thu 28 Apr 2011 02:07:51 PM PST · 63 of 67
Is there any evidence Ann Dunham gave birth to Barack Obama in Kenya or anywhere else?
Quite a bit from a variety of sources:
(1) The Kenyan ambassador to the United States, on an interview on a Detroit FM radio station the day after the 2008 presidential election, stated that Obama was born in Kenya.
(2) Several articles in English language African newspapers referred to Obama (Jr.) as a Kenyan native before his election as a US president.
(3) Obama’s paternal grandmother said in an interview translated from her native language that she was present at his birth in Kenya.
(4) At least three different Kenyan parliamentarians have mentioned that Obama was born in Kenya in the official minutes of the Kenyan parliament.
(5) There is a long-form birth certificate that has been posted on the Internet, whose authenticity has never been denied by the White House, indicating that Obama was born at Coastal Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
(6) A man who states he was a US Marine stationed in Hawaii at the time Barack Obama was 18 years old, has posted about a chance meeting with Obama there and having a fairly lengthy conversation with him, during which Obama told him that he (Obama) was born im Mombasa. (That was prompted by the Marine’s casual mention about being stationed in Mombasa before arriving in Hawaii.)
(7) Former New Mexico Governor and former Clinton Administration official Bill Richardson, speaking in Spanish to a Hispanic group during the 2008 Democratic Convention in Denver, described Obama as an immigrant.
(8) Michelle Obama, speaking to another group during that same convention, said that her husband was an immigrant, according to a source at the event.
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