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How to get your dishwasher back (Make phosphate detergent) Vanity
Self | 2/13/2011 | self

Posted on 02/13/2011 1:14:16 PM PST by dickmc

Pittsburgh isn’t even in the Chesapeake watershed. However, like everywhere else apparently phosphates have disappeared from dishwasher detergents. The result is dishes that aren’t particularly clean and feel ‘slimy’.

After some checking, I found that the disappeared phosphate content in dishwasher detergent was around six percent. On a recent visit to the plumbing supply store to get some parts, I found that they still had one pound boxes of the real TSP (trisodium phosphate Na3PO4); not the fake ersatz 'TSP' stuff that Home Depot is only selling. In fact, the real TSP is still available all over the net.

Not being able to find any phosphate containing dishwasher detergent at any grocery store, I decided to make my own. Here’s how:

1. Buy a large 7.5 pound bottle of gel type dishwasher detergent.

2. Dump in a bucket and add one-half of a one pound box of TSP. This will make a 6.25% mix of TSP in the detergent. (Actually the weight percent of Phosphate in TSP (Na3PO4) is 58% making the Phosphate in the mix 6.25 x 0.58 or 3.6% …but… that’s good enough for government work!)

3. Stir with a paint stick. If you want, add a half-cup of water to somewhat reduce the gel viscosity.

4. After about one minute of stirring, the TSP particles will be thoroughly distributed in the gel. (They don’t dissolve but that’s OK as long as they are evenly mixed.)

5. Put back in the bottle ...with the leftover in the empty bottle. (A funnel helps which I had from garage stuff.)

Tried it out yesterday.

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VIOLA! The dishes are now 'squeaky' clean with no slime film. Also, the dishwasher insides now look clean again.

Enjoy the info.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: dishwasher; phosphate; tsp; vanity
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To: dickmc

Interesting. We add tsp 40:60 to our dry soap detergent. Helps a lot. You can still buy tsp at hardware stores here in California. (Shhh, do the libbies know?).


21 posted on 02/13/2011 1:35:51 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: BuffaloJack

10611 1 lb. Savogran TSP

This is what you look for.

22 posted on 02/13/2011 1:36:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dickmc

bttt


23 posted on 02/13/2011 1:37:18 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: dickmc

This is one of these cases where having 4 years worth of supplies (of everything) buys me some time to adapt (I just have to remember not to replenish right away).


24 posted on 02/13/2011 1:38:51 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: dickmc

Want an easier way to get the old dishwashing detergent that works? Buy it from a restaurant/hotel supply store. The phosphate ban doesn’t apply to them. They’re easy to find and buy from - I got a case of 6 which should last most of the year. It’s ridiculous that we have to resort to stuff like this, but that’s what the environmentalist movement is all about - making life harder for ordinary people.


25 posted on 02/13/2011 1:43:24 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: dickmc

THANKS!!


26 posted on 02/13/2011 1:47:59 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: dickmc

THANKS!!


27 posted on 02/13/2011 1:48:15 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: SatinDoll
Years ago I escorted a cook to the chow hall. He rejected most of the forks before he found a clean one. As an aside I had to feed a stray dog we had picked up so one of the people in the chow hall saved me a bag of cold cuts that had not been eaten. As I was walking out one of the people eating asked what I was going to do with them. I said “Their for the prisoner” . Groans when up all over.
28 posted on 02/13/2011 1:50:22 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Mr. K
For hand-washing the original blue Dawn is good - it's what places like SeaBird Sanctuary use on seabirds in Florida after an oil spill. Gentle enough for birds - strong enough to get the oil off...
29 posted on 02/13/2011 1:50:22 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - World Disaster Map)
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To: SatinDoll

**You can achieve the same results by using a sponge with dishwashing soap to get the grease off your dishes BEFORE putting them in the dishwasher.**

Following the above, if you use hot water and rinse well after the sponging.. you can delete the entire dishwasher, completely.
You’ve already WASHED the damn things!!


30 posted on 02/13/2011 1:50:41 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Egypt 2011 = Iran 1979)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Want an easier way to get the old dishwashing detergent that works? Buy it from a restaurant/hotel supply store. The phosphate ban doesn’t apply to them.

Can everyday citizens buy in those places? Thought you had to have a tax number or something...

31 posted on 02/13/2011 1:52:28 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - World Disaster Map)
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To: gwilhelm56
I have a pre-wash cycle. No problems.


32 posted on 02/13/2011 1:56:02 PM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: kaylar

I have been having trouble with my cologne (Nina Ricci).

I’ve tossed many half full bottles out because of lack of scent.

What do we look for,or avoid?

I thought it was me.


33 posted on 02/13/2011 1:56:28 PM PST by Mears
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To: GOPJ
I got mine from here. I found more all over the Internet.
34 posted on 02/13/2011 1:57:35 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: gwilhelm56

“...You’ve already washed the damn things!”

Actually, they’re not as clean as what a dishwasher would achieve. Sponges or dishrags carry lots of bacteria.


35 posted on 02/13/2011 1:58:36 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: GOPJ

Blue Dawn is what I use to pre-clean dishes and utensils.


36 posted on 02/13/2011 2:00:11 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: dickmc
We have been to more than one Home Depot and they insist that they don't have trisodium phosphate Na3PO4.
37 posted on 02/13/2011 2:03:39 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Excellence

That’s what we do. I am SO glad to have clean dishes again!


38 posted on 02/13/2011 2:06:01 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: SatinDoll

My DH bought some green dishwasher detergent and it sucked. If I were going to wash my dishes first I wouldn’t bother putting them in the machine. I just get the food chunks off.
No kidding, the dishes were gross, washed them for a second time before I realized the problem, they were just as gross after two washes.


39 posted on 02/13/2011 2:08:49 PM PST by libbylu
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To: Mears
Avon is *just* as bad as Yves Rocher, I know that to my cost. For awhile, Avon's MARK division had good, strong, lovely scents, but the last two I bought (Peony Apple and Berry Cranberry) were the weakest yet. What do I buy? I am going online and buying the fragrances I love from ebay and other sites, such as Bonanzel (sp?) , Ruby Lane, or Etsy. So far (knock wood!) I've not been ripped off with imposters or dilutes. I buy fragrances from roughly 1988-1995 : I have some from earlier than that, even all the way back to the 1960s , and *so far* all of them have been good....None have "turned". Since Yves Rocher is French, I'm guessing EUropean perfumers are as bad as those in North America, about switching to "environmentally friendly" bases that are cheaper for them and a lot weaker for the consumer.

And this is *JUST* a guess/theory on my part : But it is well known that moslems refuse to wear alcohol including sd alcohol, which WAS the base for many if not most fragrances. I know Avon and some others went to alcohol free fragrances for the moslem market overseas. Is it *just* possible that the "environment" excuse was BS, and it's really because it's cheaper and easier to just make EVERYTHING for the moslem market, rather than doing a batch for Jordan, Egypt, SA, etc, and another batch for Europe, North America, and Asian markets? Just make everything halal friendly, just as some fast food joints in the UK and the USA went to all halal meat first for areas with large moslem populations, and then pretty much everywhere? I know I got a bottle of Jovan's Wild Honeysuckle that was for the moslem market overseas (lots of squigglies on the box and on the label on the underside), and it smelled wrong and weak. This was back in the late 1990s, and I bought it from one of those discount beauty supply catalogs. I later bought a "vintage" bottle off ebay, and it smelled as I remembered, so I am sure it was the alcohol substitute that made the other bottle smell "off" and gave the scent no staying power.

40 posted on 02/13/2011 2:10:17 PM PST by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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