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Heinlein’s Conservatism
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | October 25, 2010 | Martin Morse Wooster

Posted on 10/25/2010 10:07:29 AM PDT by oldtimer2

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Robert Heinlein is probably the main reason that I am a conservative today. I arrived at our Junior-Senior high school in 1949 and discovered something new, a library. The librarian was apparently a science fiction fan as she every year ordered Heinlein's new book.

The first was Rocket Ship Galileo, next The Red Planet. I was hooked and have read everything he ever wrote. What an education!

1 posted on 10/25/2010 10:07:33 AM PDT by oldtimer2
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"But Heinlein’s patriotism and strong support of the military ensure that he must be thought of as a conservative."

False premise. Patriotism and strong support for the military are not opposed to libertarianism.

2 posted on 10/25/2010 10:12:28 AM PDT by mlo
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Page at a glance reader, a kid from th sticks who could calculate complicated things in his head, Waldos, fencing, I grokked it all as a kid. Heinlein is not #3 when it comes to science fiction writers, he is the #1 in my book.


3 posted on 10/25/2010 10:13:41 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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Robert Heinlein's masterpiece, "Starship Troopers" has been an inspiration for the transformation of the modern battlefield into a digitally-assisted and enhances forum.

His political concepts in the novel are intriguing as well.

4 posted on 10/25/2010 10:15:49 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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I’ve always been a huge fan, but it’s a real stretch to call him conservative in any meaningful sense of the term.

Libertarian crossed with militarist and pervert seems more appropriate, especially in his later books, which were unreadable in large part.


5 posted on 10/25/2010 10:16:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (You shall know the truth, and it shall piss you off mightily)
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Starship Troopers was the first Heinlein that I ever read, and possibly is the greatest. Glory Road is also a favorite.
6 posted on 10/25/2010 10:17:39 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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The character of conservative Jubal Harshaw (Stranger in a Strange Land) was supposedly a Heinlein self-portrait. Jubal was a fictional character I would love to meet :-)
7 posted on 10/25/2010 10:19:07 AM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (We'll remember in November!)
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Socially, Heinlein was liberal. His books advocated, or showed as okay to do, quite a few things social conservatives would hate. But he was definitely a limited-government conservative who favored individual responsibility.

As far as rank, I think the above said that we can all agree on the top three — in no particular order. You will have a day-long argument as soon as you try to put them in any order.


8 posted on 10/25/2010 10:21:02 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Yeah, except Heinlein’s work also has strong pedophilia undertones as well.

So maybe not a great guy to reference as a fine example of conservatism.


9 posted on 10/25/2010 10:21:09 AM PDT by bolobaby
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Whatever Heinlein would be classified as does not matter. What matters to me is that I read his works and became a conservative.


10 posted on 10/25/2010 10:22:44 AM PDT by oldtimer2 (This is not an election on November 2. This is a restraining order.)
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There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch!


11 posted on 10/25/2010 10:23:19 AM PDT by Flightdeck (TANSTAAFL!)
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Because of Heinlein, I will always carry a lingering sense of guilt at not being able to wield a slide rule. On the plus side, I learned that I didn’t have to give up my femininity to be kick-a$$, long before any brainwashers got to me....


12 posted on 10/25/2010 10:25:38 AM PDT by Eepsy
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Libertarian crossed with militarist and pervert seems more appropriate, especially in his later books, which were unreadable in large part.

He was certainly no social conservative. Sexual libertinism was generously sprinkled throughout his stories, and he seemed to treat traditional sexual morality as an archaic yoke that needed to be thrown off. However, his views on other aspects of political thought were awesome.
13 posted on 10/25/2010 10:25:44 AM PDT by fr_freak
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He was a truly fascinating moral philosopher. Some Heinlein quotes .

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14 posted on 10/25/2010 10:25:47 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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In the very early 70s, I began reading all his works. I steadfastly gobbled up his works thereafter. I think I’ve read everything he wrote that was published (at least the stuff that’s original and not edited, revised or added-to post death.

His great ones? For me it was TMIAHM, TEFL, SIASL (mildly, but his fame opener), FNE (liked and it had good premise)...however, in TEFL ala Lazarus Long, while the story was largely enrapturing - I saw a hint of his penchant for the wierder side of sex....incest, namely. His further works, Job, a Comedy of (something), Cat who could WTWs, etc. just didnt’ cut it anymore....


15 posted on 10/25/2010 10:29:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“Clarke kept politics out of his novels”

Clarke was hard on religion, which he thought was pretty infantile.

Heinlein is a better writer than Clarke or Asimov, in my opinion. But Jack Vance could mop the floor with pretty much any of ‘em, I reckon.

Freegards


16 posted on 10/25/2010 10:37:24 AM PDT by Ransomed
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I agree.

However, the most unique thing about Starship Troopers is you can read as both a SiFi novel (it is very good) and as a political science text (it is even better).

I first read it in Junior High School, the school library had a hard back copy, and bought a paperback copy through the school's book club. Six years late I read the same book in a Pol-Sci course. It made an excellent counter point to the other political systems we looked into.

BTW, at one time my personal library contained six paperback copies, I am down to three and am beginning to suffer some anxiety pains.

17 posted on 10/25/2010 10:41:06 AM PDT by Nip
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It’s not too late! Google “Oughtred Society” and hit eBay for a Pickett. Used ones in pretty good condition (not NIB) can be had for $30. Alas, my Pickett model 300P-ES is lost somewhere in the past, in the midst of my 10 active duty moves and 4 post-service moves.


18 posted on 10/25/2010 10:42:32 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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Heinlein’s work also has strong pedophilia undertones as well.

Where the hell did that come from?

19 posted on 10/25/2010 10:47:08 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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I agree. Conservative is a stretch. Libertarian seems a much better fit - despite the appropriation of the term by a bunch of “nonintervention's” anti-US military’s role in the world Paultards.
20 posted on 10/25/2010 10:47:41 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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