Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
(NECN: Washington) - A press conference was held this afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, where at least a dozen former U.S. Air Force personnel, mostly officers who worked on secret projects connected to sensitive nuclear weapons sites, are admitting that they were privy to UFO and alien-related incidents -- that occurred during their time of service.
In this clip, you will hear from: Retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas, Former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Dwayne Arneson and Former Air Force Official Bill Jameson
(Excerpt) Read more at necn.com ...
How might I make that observation without “putting you down?” “
Have you ever heard of respectfully disagreeing?
I fail to see where any apostle harassed people who did not agree with them, resorted to name calling or putting unbelievers down to their face. You will be hard pressed to have others believe in UFO’s and aliens.
Since I am a Bible based Christian, allow me to show you how Paul handled things with nonbelievers.
Go to Acts chapter 17
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[2] And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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I see your reaction to people that don't agree with being this:
[5] But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
(While you didn't replicate the same actions.
Your attitude is the same.)
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[32] And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
(Yes, people don't accept aliens and UFO’s and don't view CNN as credible. So between the subject and the sources, I find no credibility with your belief in aliens or UFO’s.)
[33] So Paul departed from among them.
These people were idolaters and very superstitious as believing in aliens and UFO’s are today. I resolutely reject such nonsense because there is no compelling evidence to support it. Like Paul, I move on. I don't need to be arrogant to people, resort to name calling, or putting people down that don't agree with me.
A debate has TRUTH for it's basis. The Bible was Paul's truth. Nothing in the Bible indicates aliens or UFO’s either. Your argument lacks truth and credibility. Your view of this is based on speculation, itching ears and superstition. Again, I reject that. I have read articles on this so it is not as though I am unfamiliar with the topic and each time the "evidence" isn't there. Since then I have become more versed in teh Bible and see this as an unholy distraction and wnat no parts of it.
2 Timothy 2:14 is a good verse for debating advice.
[14] Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
Is there truly something to gain by forcing your views of about aliens and UFO's on them? It's not Biblical. Does it really make sense to harass and be disrespectful to others on such a silly topic?
You may try to argue with me that you are not doing this and I am telling you, as a recipient, that this is how myself and others see what you are doing with your approach. So you may go on and believe that you are not being arrogant, vindictive, a name caller and putting people down - I say you are and also state this is not necessary and hurts you.
All you do is succeed in alienating people with your pings on this particular topic. Strong feelings and emotions that you have, for wanting others to believe in aliens and UFO's are NOT evidence for it, nor does the Bible support your views on this topic.
I have seen you be very effective on other topics but this one falls short. It's also unimportant in the grand scheme of life. I believe, and this is my opinion, that time would be better spent getting souls on board before the Rapture - through criticism of Obama, his polices and contrast them to Christianity etc.. I have seen you be effective on that. Friend, focus on what you do better ... avoid the alien and UFO pushing ... it serves no good purpose.
Please remember to remove me from you FR -e-mail ping list and FR forum ping list.
Thanks!
LOL.
Love it . . . some candid comments more than cryptic.
I’d forgotten you were on the End Times list. You’ve been taken off per your request.
More or less Agreed about the RC’s dogma etc.
Agree that CNN is an outrageously untrustworthy outlet. AS are all the MSM.
However, you seem to have missed the point.
1. CNN made it a BIG DEAL. CNN could only do that on orders from the same folks who control the UFO technologies. You are welcome to consider that inconsequential and to have no effect or influence on your life when the dust settles.
2. A vast amount of evidence indicates that’s a very foolish and uninformed assumption.
3. I have lots of respect for individuals. Even folks who mean-spiritedly assault me routinely are not at all difficult for me to care for.
4. Some perspectives and attitudes are clueless, uninformed idiotic, dangerous to those holding them etc. and greatly warrant ridicule etc.
5. This issue is going to effect many aspects of life on our planet and given the CNN signal—a LOT sooner than I’d prefer by far.
6. Pretending that such realities are well enough known from a great, largely ignorant, distance as to leave one set quite well no matter what’s coming down the Pike about them is a pretty significant risk, from where I sit.
7. I don’t recall how well you know about the topic. The attitude you seemed to display earlier in the thread seemed alarmingly dismissive. I’d rather have folks mad at me yet awakened to such realities than the other way around. The singed tail feathers from blind ignorance about these looming realities may not be pretty, spiritually or otherwise.
Cheers.
I'm sad for you that you don't SEE the disservice you DO in your ATTITUDE! You don't SEE IT.
You truly believe that YOU have all the answers.
Anyone else is a “stupid sheep” and needs to be belittled. How tragic on your behalf that YOU see YOURSELF in THIS way.
Well for awhile, I thought you were one of the good guys ... as you show more of YOURSELF ... the your PRIDE comes through ... it's best that we are not identified together. You see “signs” that are Biblically correct and I want no parts of “itching ears”. Thank you for removing me from your FR ping list and FR e-mail list. I really appreciate it.
I may not get to a robust response until this evening.
I greatly appreciate your thoughtful and candid responses.
You make many good Biblical points.
nmh:[5] But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
(While you didn’t replicate the same actions.
Your attitude is the same.)
I don’t think you have a very accurate sense of my attitude.
However, it is enough that I clearly behave in a way which leaves you that conclusion.
I’ll have to prayerfully ponder whether there’s really any worthwhile goal worth the hazard of that misperception, or not. You may be totally right that it’s not worth it.
A lot of my UFO thread tones etc. are from fierce opposition to the fiercely assaultive naysayers on such threads. That’s no sufficient excuse. It is an awareness you have helped me have. Thank you.
I would like to note that I don’t think some facts are easily communicable without SOME individuals FEELING put down regardless of the wording.
nmh:
I resolutely reject such nonsense because there is no compelling evidence to support it
That’s simply not a factual statement. However, I realize there’s nothing I can offer you which will influence you toward a different perspective. Events will have to do that.
That kind of . . . uhhh . . . fierce conviction regardless of the evidence
is another part of what pushes my fierce reply buttons.
Actually, the topic is quite Biblical . . . Genesis 6 particularly . . .
Certainly it is far from silly given all the evidence and the globalist implications.
Shouldn’t I, consistent with your pattern of response, consider “silly” a put down to me?
Actually, The Bible is quite supportive of my perspective.
AS I’VE ALREADY NOTED, I HAVE ALREADY REMOVED YOU FROM THE END TIMES LIST. I DON’T KNOW OF YOU BEING ON ANY OTHER.
1 & 2. I believe that focusing on the fallen angels/demons by itself can cause fear now that can distract from preparing oneself for our appointed time to meet God face to face.
3. The best way to decrease fear is by sharing God...not information gathered from deceitful creatures.
Isaiah 43:2 “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you be name; you are mine: When you pass through the waters, I will be with you: and through the rivers, they will not overflow you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be scorched. Nor will the flame burn you. For I am the Lord your God.”
4 & 5. Spiritual disciplines have very little to do with the love we receive or the lack of fear in our lives. We do not have to work for what is given as a gift. All we need to do is accept the love.
Matthew 18:3-4 And He said, “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”
7-8. Identified clearly as fallen angels/demons I would say that they exist...Scripture tells me that they do. I then also know that they will work at deceiving mankind...which fits the story line of the ET’s...again an easy fit. As a result I will not accept their evidence about themselves as having any truth.
9. To argue that God shares information in Scripture about the end times so that we can be prepared and that He would then hold back a major part from your viewpoint (ET’s) does not make sense...as I pointed out before, He does identify the fallen angels/demons just not “citizens of other planets” (the 1%).
10. I do not see them in Genesis and I do not have a book of Enoch in my Bible.
I’m sad for you that you don’t SEE the disservice you DO in your ATTITUDE! You don’t SEE IT.
You truly believe that YOU have all the answers.
Anyone else is a “stupid sheep” and needs to be belittled. How tragic on your behalf that YOU see YOURSELF in THIS way.
Well for awhile, I thought you were one of the good guys ... as you show more of YOURSELF ... the your PRIDE comes through ... it’s best that we are not identified together. You see “signs” that are Biblically correct and I want no parts of “itching ears”. Thank you for removing me from your FR ping list and FR e-mail list. I really appreciate it.
Oh, I know I have some insufferable features in some of my tones and manner.
It is a bit odd that you evidently don’t find the above an “insulting put down.”
Pride . . . God knows where I am on that score as, thankfully, do many FREEPERS. However, I can understand your conclusions on the issue.
NO, I’ve never asserted nor even implied that I have all the answers—about much of anything—certainly not about UFO’s or globalism. I have, evidently, learned a lot more about the UFO stuff than other FREEPERS have—at least, of those willing to post about the topic. That’s no big feather in my cap—just part of The Lord’s mandate and calling for me as well as His very faithful and very persistent schooling on it in a long list of ways that I could not have begun to arrange a fraction thereof.
I do try and stir up, with some fiestiness, energetic discussion of such in the hopes that I can learn more and others can learn more.
I am greatly concerned that vast percentages of even believers are all primed by the enemy to fall for the Biblically warned about GREAT DECEPTION OF THE END TIMES.
That concern does fuel a lot of my energy, tones and stances on the topic.
Thanks for your candid reply.
Heading off to school shortly.
I’m grieved that I’ve offended you so. Very sorry for that.
4 & 5. Spiritual disciplines have very little to do with the love we receive or the lack of fear in our lives. We do not have to work for what is given as a gift. All we need to do is accept the love.
Perhaps you could give step by step EFFECTIVE Biblical insturctions for just exactly
HOW
to accept that love.
It’s a major challenge for those of us with serious attachment disorder and many decades of training to not trust any representations of such.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Hebrews 4:9-11 There remaineth therefore a REST to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
A note from my Bible on this last portion of Scripture reads...”The word labour here means ‘be diligent’. We do not work to enter into His rest, for that is the very theme of this section, but rather believe with confidence in His Word and His work. This faith will result in good works (Ephesians 2:10) as evidence of the reality of our faith (James 2:18), but it is not the works that save us.”
Again we are instructed to come to Him (Jesus) as little children...they do not work at accepting His love, they just open their arms and embrace it (Him).
God bless
Have more or less done all of those things relentlessly as well as I’ve known how for decades.
Sorry but your scratch is still not reaching the itch.
the Scripture has been the abiding truly truest and only truly true TRUTH most of my life. However, that’s . . . LARGELY an intellectual conviction with a significant amount of FAITH CONFIDENCE inwardly that Scripture is God’s Word and Therefore True.
That doesn’t necessarily have much impact on the heart.
Not sure what to make of that statement (about the Epic of Gilgamesh). Are you saying that Akkadian cuneiform was in some way divorced from other cuneiform dialects or are you saying that the specific Akkadian dialect of the standard version of Gilgamesh was remarkably different from other Akkadian dialects?
Help me understand what you are saying.
Like you, I find it bizarre and fascinating that the Epic was told from the Giant's POV, but didn't think to consider how strange the Babylonian mathematical system might be since was so d@mn long ago.
Your comment certainly piqued my interest.
Thx for your help.
Research Genesis 6 a lot more.
Evidently you have a lower view of Enoch than Jesus and the Disciples did.
3. The best way to decrease fear is by sharing God...not information gathered from deceitful creatures.
OF COURSE I share a lot of information about God.
I’d have thought you’d have known that. I’m not exactly a passive, white on white, wall flower around here.
In terms of the critters—
I’m more interested in sharing information
ABOUT the deceitful creatures than FROM them.
I suspect you have lived long enough to have observed the very human phenomenon that information about otherwise startling and unexpectable events and forces
usually
decreases, if not minimizes what would have otherwise been uncommon levels of fear.
I try to do all I can to share information about God and about the things GOD HAS PLACED ON MY HEART AND MIND to share about looming END TIMES events.
I would not expect your mandates from Him to be identical to mine nor anyone else’s.
Please ping me to any replies you get on that topic.
He would never elaborate, even later in life when I was in my 30's and he was much older.
I think he always regretted that slip that I overheard one night.
I'll trust his word over your skepticism...unless you are Air Force and were on the planes with him.
You betcha!;-)
HERE’S SOME LINKS TO SITES AND ARTICLES ON GIANTS AND THEIR SKELETONS . . . AROUND THE WORLD:
A variety of locations discussed here:
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantBonesDiscoveries.html
A set of 3 huge footprints was discovered near Mulgoa, south of Penrith, N.S.W. These prints, each measuring 2 ft long and 7 inches across the toes, are 6 ft. apart, indicating the stride of the 12 ft. giant who left them. These prints were preserved by volcanic lava and ash flows which “occurred millions of years” before man is supposed to have appeared on the Australian continent (if one is to believe the evolutionary theory): Noel Reeves found monstrous footprints near Kempsey, N.S.W. in sandstone beds on the Upper Macleay River. One print shows toe 4 inches (10cm) long and the total toe-span is 10 inches (25cm) - suggesting that the owner of the print may have been 17 feet tall.
http://www.stangrist.com/giants.htm
THIS FR THREAD HAS SOME OTHER LINKS AND A PIC OF A SKULL
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/830123/posts
THIS THREAD HAS SOME COMPARISONS IN HEIGHT OF SEVERAL GIANTS FOUND OVER THE CENTURIES . . . FROM 15 FEET TALL TO 36 FEET TALL:
http://www.barr-family.com/godsword/giants.htm
A.
Present day modern man which averages about 6-feet tall + or - several inches or more.
B.
15-foot human skeleton found in southeast Turkey in late 1950’s in the Euphrates valley during road construction. Many tombs containing giants were uncovered here. This pertains to the picture of the giant human femur and myself above.
C.
Maximinus Thrax Ceaser of Rome 235-238 A.D. This was an 8’ 6” skeleton.
D.
Goliath was about 9 feet + or - a few inches. I Samuel 17:4 late 11th century.
E.
King Og spoken of in Deuteronomy 3:11 whose iron bedstead was approximately 14-feet by 6-feet wide. King Og was at least 12-feet tall, yet some claim up to 18.
F.
A 19’6” human skeleton found in 1577 A.D. under an overturned oak tree in the Canton of Lucerne.
G.
23-foot tall skeleton found in 1456 A.D. beside a river in Valence, France.
H.
A 25’ 6 “ skeleton found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France. This was claimed to be a nearly complete find.
I.
Almost beyond comprehension or believability was the find of the two separate 36-foot human remains uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C.
Source for the above information:
Joe Taylor, Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum
124 West Main St., P.O. Box 550, Crosbyton, TX 79322
(805) 675-7777 (office) and (806) 675-2421 (fax)
http://www.mtblanco.com
THIS ARTICLE DISCUSSES THAT SOME OF THE GIANT PHOTOS WERE HOAXED AS PART OF A CONTEST. IT ALSO SEEMS TO NOTE THAT SOME OF THE GIANT FINDS OF HISTORY WERE TRUE.
http://www.dunzie.com/science/100122-giant-human-skeletons-pictures-true-and-real-or-email-hoax.html
THIS SITE DISCUSSES GIANTS AND THE BIBLICAL/UFO CONNECTION:
http://www.bibleufo.com/giantsmyth.htm
A WIKI ARTICLE THEREON:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Giant_(mythology)
THIS ARTICLE SHOWS A CAST OF A FOOTPRINT AND SOME SKULL PICS OF DIFFERENT SIZES:
http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/michaelroe/moreongiants.html
A WEBSITE DEVOTED TO THE TOPIC:
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giants.html
THIS SITE HAS MORE PICS OF BONES ETC. THAN MOST:
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantsb.html
THIS SITE ALSO HAS SOME OTHER VERY INTERESTING PICS
http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Giants%20and%20Cannibalism.htm
AND THIS IS PAGE 2 OF THE DOGPILE LISTING OF SUCH:
INDEED. And well you should trust that.
Some are simply not interested in ancient manuscripts which were not included in the canon or research into why they weren't included.
To each his own.
But I agree with Worldview Dad that Christians have no need to fear demons or fallen angels:
Not sure what to make of that statement (about the Epic of Gilgamesh). Are you saying that Akkadian cuneiform was in some way divorced from other cuneiform dialects or are you saying that the specific Akkadian dialect of the standard version of Gilgamesh was remarkably different from other Akkadian dialects?
Help me understand what you are saying.
Like you, I find it bizarre and fascinating that the Epic was told from the Giant’s POV, but didn’t think to consider how strange the Babylonian mathematical system might be since was so d@mn long ago.
Your comment certainly piqued my interest.
Thx for your help.
They did use Akkadian to break the codes of the Sumerian language though .
Sumerian was used as a scientific/religious language by the elites but not spoken by the general population.
Maybe nothing but when you add in the fact that their kings claimed to be part human and part alien and their weird math I just thought it was odd.
I certainly agree on those scores, too.
I’d have thought folks understood that . . . as often as I’ve said such things.
Sigh.
I still think awareness, knowledge and understanding are better than the opposite.
Only God has the answers.
“I am greatly concerned that vast percentages of even believers are all primed by the enemy to fall for the Biblically warned about GREAT DECEPTION OF THE END TIMES.”
We are living in end times, however not all signs and wonders are from God. I can only speak for myself but I am “not deceived” as you try to imply because I don't buy into unBiblical space aliens and UFO’s.
Matt.24:24
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mark.13:22
[22] For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
2Thes.2:9
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
If any of these “signs and wonders” don NOT glorify God, i typically ignore them. I don't see aliens and UFO’s glorifying God. I see them as a distraction for “itching ears” and very unbiblical. I also don't encourage them to buy into deception.
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