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Microsoft dubs Windows Phone 7 'Ad serving machine'
The Register (British Tech) ^ | 27 June 2010 | Rik Myslewski

Posted on 07/08/2010 9:12:29 PM PDT by dayglored

Microsoft is positioning its upcoming Windows Phone 7 smartphone OS, planned for release this October, as an "ad-serving machine."

That's how Microsoft exec Kostas Mallios described the OS...

Microsoft's smartphone OS will provide advertisers with three levels of ad-serving "opportunities" in addition to standard browser-based ads, and in a radical departure from the tacks taken by either Apple's app-based iAds, or Google's browser-centric world, two of Windows Phone 7's ad-delivery systems will enable ads to be sent outside of either apps or the browser.

The first level of ad-serving is app-based. No surprise there... The next two ad-serving schemes, however, break new ground — although some may argue that it's ground that might better be left un-tilled.

One is based on Windows Phone 7's concept of "tiles",... "That tile," Mallios told his crowd, "is actually a dynamic tile that you're now able to push information to as an advertiser, and stay in touch with your customer. It's a dynamic relationship that's created. It provides for an ongoing dialogue with a consumer."

"We have a third concept called 'toast'," Mallios said... Toast allows advertisers to push ads onto your Windows Phone 7 smartphone whether you have an associated app running or not. The advertiser sends your phone an ad, your phone receives and displays it, you view it, and presumably you tap 'n' buy whatever the advertiser is promoting.

Mallios adds: "A customer can opt out of all of this, or they can opt in — it depends on how creative we are in gathering their attention and wanting to keep them engaged."

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: advertising; microsoft; phone7; windows
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To: dayglored; Psycho_Bunny

Until they stop... BREATHING !!!


21 posted on 07/08/2010 10:15:08 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: dayglored
Of course, it's no secret that smartphones are viewed by advertisers as the perfect medium for braying their unwanted, intrusive, annoying claptrap in the faces of people who are looking to make a phone-call, play a game, or watch a video.

I don't understand. I've had a Blackberry for a few months. I've downloaded a number of apps. I surf the web regularity (mostly FR). I text. I make calls. I check sports scores. I check the weather. I navigate.

I don't remember seeing an ad, except maybe on a web page I visited, and I'm not even sure about seeing any there. Where does this ad thing fit in again, and why would anybody tolerate even one of them?

22 posted on 07/08/2010 10:29:29 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: dayglored

Thanks for the support


23 posted on 07/08/2010 10:33:40 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: dayglored
Then again, one suspects that they are never going to own up to their role in the never-ending zombie psycho-drama called "SCO" :)

Zombieland Rule Number 2: It's a zombie - the only way to kill it is with a head-shot, and it should be a double-tap to make sure...;) Where's Darl?

24 posted on 07/08/2010 10:34:03 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: RachelFaith
Oh please MicroSoft, I loved all the pop ups on IE in the 90s... can you make it all blinky and flashy too like a cheap GIF that gives me seizures?

Funny, because it seems that there's a company in Cupertino whose entire mobile phone ad strategy relies on "rich media" full-screen animated pop-ups, all from an ad-engine embedded in the operating system.

25 posted on 07/08/2010 10:44:23 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dayglored
I think Microsoft is correct, and should be applauded for coming out and saying what Apple and Google have been reluctant to admit -- that their fancy high-tech products are simply another fancy way to sell soap.

An "AD SERVING MACHINE". Yep, that's what it is.


Help me out here. I have had an iPhone from Edge and now 3GS. What advertising have I missed? In all fairness I think the advertisers must be discriminating against me since I have not received one damn one of those. Do you have link so I can complain?
26 posted on 07/08/2010 11:12:46 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
People who speak this way should be beaten with sticks until they stop.

LOL. I hope there are nails in them sticks. ;-)
27 posted on 07/08/2010 11:14:44 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
You really ARE just the biggest out right liar in the history of the Earth. HOW do you do it? Seriously? I haven't seen you make one straight point ever. Hundreds of posts, every damned last one of them OFF the mark, Beside the point, disingenuous, misleading and outright fraudulent. I do not think Satan himself could do better... eh... worse... whatever.

For those of you reading at home and think ol' Pug here has made a point... any point... let me deflate that little balloon.

THIS IS CUT AND PASTED FROM THE ARTICLE:

Microsoft's smartphone OS will provide advertisers with three levels of ad-serving "opportunities" in addition to standard browser-based ads, and in a radical departure from the tacks taken by either Apple's app-based iAds, scheduled to launch next Thursday, or Google's browser-centric world, two of Windows Phone 7's ad-delivery systems will enable ads to be sent outside of either apps or the browser.

Can you see that? In plain FN English?

RADICAL departure from Apple iAds?

OUTSIDE of the Apps AND the Browser?

And here you are comparing them again as if they are even in the same void of time and space.

There is indeed NO END to your lies. None. Without any natural bounds.

Quantum Physicists should study your posts for clues to black matter and anti-matter. Not even the light of the universe can escape the black hole of your illogical replies and inane shifts of substance. I am astounded.

Clearly now, the rest of the ENTIRE WORLD who can read this can see that it's a "RADICAL" departure from normal ads. Which for the record I don't like either, but at least can be contained to the Apps I CHOOSE to use or not if I am on Apple.

If I use Droid, I still get NET POP UPS...

But MicroSoft is taking this to a ... wait for it... RADICAL new level and here you are still pushing the tired old FUD that Apple is just the same.

It would be funny if it wasn't certifiable!
28 posted on 07/08/2010 11:57:12 PM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: dayglored
I missed this... the last line of the article...

If Microsoft doesn't make it easy and transparent to opt out of 'toast', that word might well describe the fate of its upcoming "ad-serving machine."

THAT would be Irony.
29 posted on 07/09/2010 12:02:13 AM PDT by RachelFaith (2010 is going to be a 100 seat Tsunami - Unless the GOP Senate ruins it all...)
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To: dayglored

“The only thing that can put a stop to an ever-increasing deluge of annoying advertisements will be customer rejection of the phones the ads are delivered on. “

Or, *gasp*, pay for the application and not get the ads!


30 posted on 07/09/2010 12:30:52 AM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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To: dayglored

I finally left MS mobile after many years; they decided to rewrite the OS and leave my apps in the dust, so I returned the favor. It looks like I made the right decision.


31 posted on 07/09/2010 12:40:31 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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To: ikka
...give it away for free...

That's actually a good idea. At the very least you could have phones that sell at a discount on the condition that you have to live with the ads.

32 posted on 07/09/2010 2:07:07 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

33 posted on 07/09/2010 7:01:02 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ikka

Yeah, it’s like going into True Value and seeing five gallon buckets for $4.99 with True Value’s name on it. They should give away the buckets for free if they want me to advertise for them.


34 posted on 07/09/2010 7:07:21 AM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: dayglored

Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.5 have available %HOSTS% file managers and editors and hacks that block all sorts of network traffic.

I suspect I’ll continue using this strategy to block out the WinMobile 7 ad space too.


35 posted on 07/09/2010 7:13:44 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: ikka

You don’t actually think what you’re paying for the phone provides any profit do you? Most cellphones, smart or dumb, are sold at a loss at the time of sale. Where they turn a profit is later: contracts, fees, ad sells. It’s the razor marketing method writ digital.


36 posted on 07/09/2010 7:16:53 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: RachelFaith
I do not think Satan himself could do better... eh... worse... whatever.

Wow, I've topped Satan now? You have some serious problems Rachel.

Please read your criticism of the Microsoft ad engine:

Oh please MicroSoft, I loved all the pop ups on IE in the 90s... can you make it all blinky and flashy too like a cheap GIF that gives me seizures?

That is, in fact, EXACTLY what iAds does - it's a pop up ad engine, full screen, for 'rich media' content, meaning those blinky and flashy ads.

The point is 100% correct and accurate. I understand you don't like it, but your preference for the point is immaterial to its accuracy.

And I see you miss a key statement from this article:

Mallios adds: "A customer can opt out of all of this, or they can opt in — it depends on how creative we are in gathering their attention and wanting to keep them engaged."

This is a HUGE change from either AdMob or iAds; neither of those ad engines allows the customer - you - to opt out of advertisements. That is a decision left to the OS creator (Google or Apple) or the app vendor. It's not your call.

Microsoft's ad engine appears to let YOU decide if you want the advertisements. It's up to the advertisers to make the ads worthwhile (such as electronic coupons). If you don't want them, turn them off.

It's pretty obvious, I think - the flashy pop ups are a feature of iAds. And as a customer you can turn the Microsoft ad delivery off. I think there are some significant differences here, differences you choose not ignore or condemn.

Signed,

The man who is worse than Satan himself, the GD EVIL LIAR of unforgivable sins against Apple

37 posted on 07/09/2010 8:13:53 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: dayglored
Television has been doing that for 60 years. Nothing particularly new.

One of the reasons I quit watching TV some years ago.

38 posted on 07/09/2010 11:22:52 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: edh
Or, *gasp*, pay for the application and not get the ads!

Except, *gasp* there are many apps whose authors don't offer paid versions because they prefer the ad revenue.

For them the appropriate strategy for those that object to ads is indeed consumer rejection.

39 posted on 07/09/2010 2:41:11 PM PDT by MichiganMan (Oprah: Commercial Beef Agriculture=Bad, Commercial Chicken Agriculture=Good...Wait, WTF???)
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To: MichiganMan

“Except, *gasp* there are many apps whose authors don’t offer paid versions because they prefer the ad revenue. “

True, but I have yet to run across a single app I use that doesn’t have a paid-to-remove-ads alternative. If the application is ad only, I will not use it unless the ads make it worthwhile. I’ve used some beta level apps that are “ad-only” while you debug the app for the author.

My *gasp* stupidity was directed at people that think all software should be all be free ... and, believe me, they are out there.


40 posted on 07/09/2010 3:03:25 PM PDT by edh (I need a better tagline)
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