Posted on 06/25/2010 9:43:42 AM PDT by Polarik
Sometime between October 31, 2008, and July 27, 2009, the dates of Health Director Chiyome Fukino's two press releases, Hawaii amended Obama's birth record. A brand-new Certificate of Live Birth (not Certification of Live Birth) was issued to him.
The DOH Director decides what goes in or gets taken out of birth records. She went on record as saying that "President Obama posted a copy of his certificate on his campaign website" even though she has refused to authenticate it for the past two years. This created a conundrum that could only be resolved by changing Obama's birth records to match what is in that online copy - which is a stone-cold forgery, and Fukino knows it!
That forged COLB also has its origin within the DOH: watch the video to find out the shocking truth as to whose COLB was used for the forgery.
You'll also realize that you've been staring at a forgery this whole time and not realizing that the most obvious sign of it was right there under your noses.
Not only did Obama get a new birth certificate, the certificate itself was designed with him in mind as Rev. 10/08 - coincidentally, the date of Fukino's first press release (10/31/08). Hawaii ditched the old Certification of Live Birth and switched to a hybrid form called a “Certificate of Live Birth” - formerly the name of the long-form birth certificate.
Say, "Aloha" to Obama's new COLB (Certificate of Live Birth):
Click on the thumbnail for a full-size copy
I was commenting on the picture.
This issue needs to be fully discussed by the public and they need to demand that every Senator and Representative go on record requiring the President to fully disclose and certify under penalty of perjury that Obama is qualified for the Office of the President.
We need accountability and if not we need to replace everyone that is unwilling to do so.
Thanks for your efforts to bring the facts and truth to the public.
Hey pal I was responding to your inacurate and deceptive post which stated:
Wrong. Under Hawaii law and the law of every other state, even if Obama released his own COLB, that does not entitle anyone else to order it.
Can you image the identity fraud that there would be in this nation if anyone could order a copy of someone else’s birth documents? Every illegal alien in the nation would have a US birth certificate.
You are wrong and try and weasel out of it again....have you no pride, admit you were wrong!
However you can’t order anyone else’s birth certificate in Hawaii without the person named on the birth certificate’s permission or without a valid order from a court of competent jurisdiction.
Sheesh Wrong Again!
However you can’t order anyone else’s birth certificate in Hawaii without the person named on the birth certificate’s permission or without a valid order from a court of competent jurisdiction.
Sheesh Wrong Again!
§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
DOH Rules:
8b 2.5(B)(2)
- A non certified copy containing only such information as is listed in accordance with section 2.2 may be issued to any person or organization requesting it.
The restrictions under section 2.2 are :
Section 2.2
List of Events:
A) No address shall be included in such lists unless approval is given by the registrants in cases of marriage license applications and marriage certificates and by one of the parents in the case of births
B) Any report or information which in the judgment of the Director of Health may harm the character or reputation of a person involved shall be omitted from the lists
C) No illegitimate birth shall be included in any list prepared under this section.
yeah there is the law and you are wrong again.
You are partially correct. You can’t order a certified copy, but you can order a non-certified copy
§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.
DOH Rules:
8b 2.5(B)(2)
- A non certified copy containing only such information as is listed in accordance with section 2.2 may be issued to any person or organization requesting it.
The restrictions under section 2.2 are :
Section 2.2
List of Events:
A) No address shall be included in such lists unless approval is given by the registrants in cases of marriage license applications and marriage certificates and by one of the parents in the case of births
B) Any report or information which in the judgment of the Director of Health may harm the character or reputation of a person involved shall be omitted from the lists
C) No illegitimate birth shall be included in any list prepared under this section.
yeah there is the law and you are wrong again.
Under their own rules, a non certified copy of a BC can be released. Look it up. As for me, it is almost 2 AM -time for bed.
They are being loose with their statements again. I see they leave out the part of the law that says “or by rules adopted by the department of health.”
Under their own rules, a non certified copy of a BC can be released. Look it up. As for me, it is almost 2 AM -time for bed.
YES and it may appear at the most inopportune time.
YES and it may appear at the most inopportune time.
Thanks!
Obama’s very own long form? (retracted)
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/06/obamas-very-own-long-form/
The original has been retracted because the evidence just doesn’t back it up.
If President Obama found a state-issued birth certificate among his family papers, it would most likely have been a negative photocopy, like that seen from the 1966 issuance of a certificate for the Nordyke twins.
Jamese 666, SO you admit you don't believe Obama has a Hawaiian long form BC, because if he had one it would have been released a long time ago??? What would be on that document that would be inopportune for him? Interesting indeed.
Don't you think law enforcement has been investigating this and has all the information? Do you really believe Obama got a legitimate Social Security number by using a return address in Connecticut? You really believe the State Department records of his mother won't show she had a passport in 1961? Remember those who talk first walk first the others get long term accommodations at the gray bar hotel. Remember the Watergate break in?
Jamese 666, SO you admit you don’t believe Obama has a Hawaiian long form BC, because if he had one it would have been released a long time ago??? What would be on that document that would be inopportune for him? Interesting indeed.
Don’t you think law enforcement has been investigating this and has all the information? Do you really believe Obama got a legitimate Social Security number by using a return address in Connecticut? You really believe the State Department records of his mother won’t show she had a passport in 1961? Remember those who talk first walk first the others get long term accommodations at the gray bar hotel. Remember the Watergate break in?
I know of no law enforcement investigations into Social Security fraud that are currently underway, but perhaps you do.
I have no idea about Stanely Ann Dunham’s passport records but it would make sense that she had a passport.
I remember that it didn’t take two years to launch a criminal investigation into the Watergate break in. Within about six months from the break in, the first convictions were handed down. There hasn’t even been an investigation concerning Obama’s eligibility.
You said, “I believe that Barack Obama’s original birth certificate resides with the Hawaii Department of Health. I believe that document says that he was born at 7:24 P.M. on August 4, 1961 at Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that Dr. Rodney T. West was the physician of record attending the birth.”
James, you can believe anything that you want. “BELIEVE” being the operative word. Some people firmly believe in Big Foot. However, I prefer to deal in FACTS.
That you believe that Dr. Rodney West was the attending physician proves that no reader here need bother any more with answering your comments. Dr. Rodney West no longer practiced medicine in 1961, having retired for a desk job 5 years prior. The person who propagated that fantasy about Dr. West quickly backtracked on her “story” upon being confronted with those facts. Search the Web for information about Dr. West. He’s relatively famous. A war hero, iirc. Unfortunate, because it makes his biography readily available to anybody who wants to truly “Fact Check”. So go on believing what you WANT to believe instead of what’s demonstrably true.
Obama’s spokesperson contends that Obama has already released the “noble truth”—that being his online COLB. So, as others have asked, if that’s truly his birth certificate then WHY doesn’t he simply authorize the Hawaiian DoH to issue a new one, directly from their records into the waiting hands of reporters? Want me to answer that for you? Because if they do issue a new COLB, it will NOT exactly match the information that appears on that online image and, more important, their own laws require it to be CLEARLY MARKED as amended or late, if it was amended or filed late.
I'm not engaging in any personal attacks. I have criticized you and your "research" to the extent that you are a public figure in the world of Birtherdom outside of FR. That's perfectly legitimate territory, just like criticizing Phil Berg or Orly Taitz. Under your apparent definition of "No personal attacks," posters would have to shy away from criticizing Joe Biden if he registered a FR account.
But, if you really want to go there, without making a personal attack, I will say that everything you and your boyfriend have said about me is enough garbage to fill the Grand Canyon 100 times over.
After saying "without making a personal attack," you made it a whole eight words before first making (false) insinuations about my sexuality. So kudos on resisting personal attacks; maybe next time you'll make it a whole sentence.
You made yourself into a folk hero among the Left, claiming that you “outed” me when you did no such thing.
Not that I care one way or the other what you think I did, but nobody seems to have a clue what affidavits of yours with your name were supposedly published online in July. The only 'affidavit' of yours I or anyone else has seen had a bunch of Xs in place of a name.
Once my legal name was on the Internet, any idiot could have Googled it and found several million hits because I HAVE 40 years of credentials, and I HAVE the credentials to back up everything I've said and done.
And which of those credentials relate to digital image analysis? Taken any classes on the subject? Taught any classes or seminars? Written any papers? Been interviewed by any non-Birther-related media?
Or to be more specific, I believe you've offered to testify as a witness in court. What have you done that would satisfy the Daubert standard? Because just scanning and printing a lot of papers doesn't cut the mustard. (Also, your dad being a photography buff and owning a Hasselblad? My brother is a photography buff and owns a Hasselblad, so could I use that as an expert qualification? Of course not.)
Krawetz is NOT an image analysis expert, not by any stretch of the imagination. He is a computer security expert. All he knows how to do is run software.
Krawetz has spoken on digital image manipulation and forgery at technical conferences. http://news.cnet.com/A-picture-worth-a-thousand-lies/2008-1046_3-6199869.html
And you?
Krawetz KNOWS the COLB image is bogus but he has deliberately hidden the evidence that proves it. But because he's a Socialist liberal, he sides with Obama and you guys.
So Krawetz is part of the grand conspiracy too. That's an easy way to discount his expertise.
As it turns out, I'm the only one who practices what HE preaches.
"There was someone who was pretending to be a computer graphic expert who had essentially stolen the identity of someone else and was masquerading as an expert and put his own theories on there which were later debunked by the Israel Insider online publication. So I want to kinda deemphasize the background thing because anyone can pretend to be an expert." - Polarik
You said that anyone could pretend to be an expert, and now you're pretending to be an expert. You do indeed practice what you preach.
It is you who are completely incapable of reading and interpreting my credentials, just as you do not even know what you write on your own blog!
And what don't I know about what I've written on my blog? You make the bare accusation, but provide no examples.
Speaking of that blog, you turned it over to my Internet psychostalker: an insanely jealous, pathological liar who ran his mouth off about me on your blog exactly like he did on his own blog, and just like he did on every single blog and forum he joined for the sole purpose of trashing me.
Yeah, that's just not true. So is this the part of the post where you just start making new conspiracy stuff up?
But, given you know less about graphics than he does, you teamed up with him.
Yep, I guess it's that part.
Everything he said, and you said, is totally and categorically false. I have never lied about my credentials and never faked anything.
At varying times, you claimed three different Masters degrees in Statistics, Experimental Psychology, and Educational Research, Design, and Testing, and two different Doctorates in Instructional Media and Experimental Psychology. Are you stating here that you have all five of those degrees?
As for faking things, here is one example. And another is...oh where did it go...well, it WAS at the top of this thread, but you seem to have deleted it. Wise move.
Now, I did intentionally jerk around the libtards who were so intent on literally interpreting my online affidavits by switching the degree title's around, but the affidavits I signed and submitted to Berg, Taitz, Keyes, Hochberg, etc., had my actual credentials and experiences.
Oh, I see. So you're saying that you're willing to make misrepresentations online to mislead your readers and critics. Like you did in this thread. Because that's what REAL experts do, y'know.
I CAN spot forgeries with my naked eyes and I CAN and HAVE corroborated those observations over two years and 1,500 hours of painstaking research.
You should get in touch with these other guys online who say they can also spot forgeries with their naked eyes. They've spent a lot of time documenting how NASA faked the moon landings. I think y'all might have a lot in common.
But, like true scientists, when new data becomes available, you modify your theories to fit.
Indeed.
Initial theory: The COLB is a fake as seen in Polarik's analysis.
New data: Digital image expert says Polarik's analysis is crap.
New theory: The COLB is a fake, and the digital image expert is part of a conspiracy to cover it up.
Initial theory: The COLB is a fake, and hasn't been physically inspected by anyone.
New data: Factcheck employees physically handle and photograph and vouch for the COLB.
New theory: The COLB is a fake, and Factcheck is part of a conspiracy to cover it up.
Now THAT'S science!
You and your boyfriend are still stuck in the Summer of 2008 when nobody had ever seen a real 2007 COLB.
It really is amazing that it's been two years. I honestly thought this would've dried up in early 2009. I severely underestimated the willingness to believe in an increasingly huge and silly conspiracy theory. (The Hawaii DOH confirmed a Hawaiian place of birth? They're part of the conspiracy! Newspaper announcements of the birth? They were forged by people involved in the conspiracy! Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter condemn Birtherism? They were intimidated by the conspiracy!)
But, clearly, you have no idea what “forensics” means, or “digital imaging,” or even know how to do true research (you copy very well, though).
We can compare and contrast our books when they come out, and see which one has the superior research. Heck, if you want to, I'll let you interview me for your book if you'd let me interview you for mine.
I never said I was a “forensics” anything,
You've said that you gave an affidavit to Berg, and here is what Berg wrote about you in his Complaint:
"However, as posted all over the internet, three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama's campaign website. Thc Forensic Expert findings were the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) was in a forgery."
So Berg just made that part up? And you didn't have a problem with being described as a forensic expert in a lawsuit? (A label he also gave to another fake expert, TechDude?)
even though the research I've done for two years IS exactly what forensics scientists do.
Have you had even a single credentialed forensic scientist review your work or your findings? Just one? Or are they all part of the grand conspiracy like Krawetz?
This is the same 260,000 word, 160 page, 210+ image final report that you never read and your boyfriend refused to read.
Moon hoaxers, 9/11 Truthers, and Holocaust denialists have written a lot more than that. I don't need to spend time reading and rebutting a 100-page amateur analysis of NASA photos to be able to say that the conspiracy theorists are wrong. There's a term for that kind of thinking: "proof by verbosity." Simply make your conspiracy elaborate and long enough (say, 260,000 words and 160 pages), and then condemn your critics for not addressing every detail of the alleged conspiracy theory.
By the way, there was another image of Michele's COLB that he displayed on YOUR blog which he describe, and I quote, “It looks exactly like the Kos image.”
Putting aside the repeated nonsense of someone else writing on my blog, if you're going to claim to quote me, and specifically say that it's a quote, then you should probably make sure it's an actual quote. Because that's not a quote of anything I've written. Your 'I-don't-make-stuff-up' defense can be rather hampered when you, y'know, make up quotes.
(Now, I imagine you might want to come back with an excuse that the 'quote' is almost right somehow, even if it's not exact. But if you're going to specifically say "and I quote," it's usually smart to actually get the quote right. Otherwise it speaks ill of your research and accuracy.)
I only have a few hundred Michele COLB images, but the one he pulled off and touting as being the same - which is a ludicrous statement - was one I modified. So, I'll take that as a compliment.
I take it you're talking about this post, but your description of what I wrote is seriously off.
You claimed back then that you took the 2008 Michele COLB, manipulated it, and made it into a near-perfect replica of the Obama COLB, with the only difference being that it said "7:25 pm." And that you did it in less than an hour. You said that you would upload step-by-step details of how, but then conveniently never did.
I illustrated that this claim was patently bogus. All you did was change the time on Obama's COLB, and then you turned around and pretended that you'd built the whole thing out of Michele's. The animated GIFs practically make the case all by themselves.
Bottom line is, Loren, you do not know diddly-squat about anything having to do with Obama’s birth certificate.
And you draw that conclusion without accurately citing or quoting a single thing I've written to evidence that claim. You don't dispute the details of any particular post I've made. Quality research, that. I'll make sure you get a copy of the book, and then you can reconsider whether I know diddly-squat or not.
You said, “I believe that Barack Obama’s original birth certificate resides with the Hawaii Department of Health. I believe that document says that he was born at 7:24 P.M. on August 4, 1961 at Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that Dr. Rodney T. West was the physician of record attending the birth.”
James, you can believe anything that you want. “BELIEVE” being the operative word. Some people firmly believe in Big Foot. However, I prefer to deal in FACTS.
That you believe that Dr. Rodney West was the attending physician proves that no reader here need bother any more with answering your comments. Dr. Rodney West no longer practiced medicine in 1961, having retired for a desk job 5 years prior. The person who propagated that fantasy about Dr. West quickly backtracked on her “story” upon being confronted with those facts. Search the Web for information about Dr. West. He’s relatively famous. A war hero, iirc. Unfortunate, because it makes his biography readily available to anybody who wants to truly “Fact Check”. So go on believing what you WANT to believe instead of what’s demonstrably true.
Obama’s spokesperson contends that Obama has already released the “noble truth”—that being his online COLB. So, as others have asked, if that’s truly his birth certificate then WHY doesn’t he simply authorize the Hawaiian DoH to issue a new one, directly from their records into the waiting hands of reporters? Want me to answer that for you? Because if they do issue a new COLB, it will NOT exactly match the information that appears on that online image and, more important, their own laws require it to be CLEARLY MARKED as amended or late, if it was amended or filed late.
Catherine West Dale has also said:
March 25, 2010 at 11:56 am Catherine West Dale(Quote)
“I’ll ask my dad, he knows a lot more about his uncle than I do.
Also wanted to add that Dr Rodney T. West delivered my sister at Kapiolani Hospital in March, 1964.”
I’m sure that both of these ladies plus Obama’s former teacher who named Dr. West as the birth doctor could be made available to testify before a Grand Jury or a congressional committee.
Status of Obama Eligibility Lawsuits
Allen v. Soetoro
Freedom Of Information Act Arizona District: Filed
Ankeny v. Daniels (and McCain) Indiana State: Dismissed
Indiana Supreme Court: Denied
Barnett v Obama, California Central District: Dismissed
formerly Keyes v Obama et al, 9th US Court of Appeals: Pending
Berg v. Obama et al Fed PA Eastern: Dismissed
3rd Circuit Appeals Appealed Brief FEC
Hearing 26-Oct-2009
Supreme Court Of The United States: Denied
Berg v. Obama Fed DC District: Dismissed
Beverly v FEC, US Court of Appeals 9th Circuit: Dismissed
US Supreme Court: Denied
Brockhausen v. Andrade, Texas State: Dismissed
Broe v. Reed Washington State Supreme: Dismissed
The Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri et al v. Obama et. al.
Dismissed
Cohen v. Obama, DC: Dismissed
Connerat v. Browning, Florida Supreme Court : Dismissed
Connerat v. Obama FL Small Claims: Dismissed
Constitution Party v. Lingle, Hawaii Supreme Court: Dismissed
Reconsideration: Denied
Cook v. Good et al GA Middle: Dismissed
Cook v. Simtech FL Middle: Dismissed
Craig v. US: Judgment in favor of defendant
Dismissal Affirmed
U.S. Supreme Court: Writ Denied 29-Sep-2009
Dawson v. Obama California Eastern District: Dismissed
Donofrio v Wells: NJ State Dismissed
NJ Supreme Court Denied
Supreme Court Of The United States: Denied
Ealey v. Obama TX Houston: Dismissed
Essek v. Obama KY Eastern: Dismissed
Gopalan v Obama III et. al., CA Southern: Dismissed
Greenberg v. Brunner, Ohio Wood County Court: Dismissed
Hamblin v Obama/McCain Arizona District: Dismissed
Herbert v. Obama et al Fed FL Middle: Dismissed
Supreme Court of the United States: Denied
Hollister v. Soetoro, Fed DC: Dismissed
Hunter v. Obama, US District Northern Texas : Dismissed
Jones v. Obama, Federal Court Cal. Central District: Pending
Judy v. McCain, US District Court Nevada North: Dismissed
Kerchner et al v. Obama et al., Federal District Court New Jersey: Dismissed
US Court of Appeals 10th District: Pending
Keyes v. Bowen Superior Court of CA: Dismissed
Keyes v. Lingle, Hawaii state: Dismissed
Lightfoot v. Bowen , Supreme Court Of The United States: Denied
Marquis v. Reed, Washington State Court, King County Superior: Dismissed
Martin v Lingle, HI State: Dismissed
HI State Appeal: Dismissed
Meroni et al v. McHenry County Grand Jury Foreman et al. , Illinois State: Denied
Morrow v. Barak Humane Obama Fed FL Miami: Dismissed
Neal v. Brunner, Ohio State Wood County: Dismissed
Neely v. Obama, Fed MI: Dismissed
Patriot Heart’s Network v Soetoro, DC Federal: Denied
Rhodes v. Gates TX West: Denied
Rhodes v. MacDonald GA Middle: Dismissed, Denied Rehearing, Sanctions Imposed
Roy v. Obama Fed HI: Dismissed
Schneller v. Cortes
PA Supreme Court: Denied
Supreme Court of the United States: Dismissed
Spuck v. Secretary of State, Ohio State, Erie County: Dismissed
Stamper v. US: Dismissed
Stumpo v. Granholm, MI State Court 30th Dist. Court (Ingham County): Dismissed
Strunk Fed NY Eastern: Dismissed
Strunk 2nd Circuit: Denied
Strunk v U.S. Department of State
FOIA Fed District of Columbia
DC Circuit Appealed
Sullivan v. Marshall, North Carolina Superior Court: Dismissed
Taitz v Obama, US District DC: Dismissed
Thomas v. Hosemann Fed Dist Hawaii: Dismissed
Terry v. Handel, Georgia State Court Fulton County: Denied
Welch v. Mukasey et al NY Northern District: Dismissed
Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz CT State: Dismissed
Supreme Court Of The United States: Denied
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