Posted on 02/27/2010 9:46:30 AM PST by Maelstorm
If homosexuals are allowed to serve in the military, they will be recruiting in the showers, having sex in the barracks, and straights will undergo sensitivity training. Before long, the U.S. may be defended by the sex-obsessed and those who can tolerate kowtowing to them.
These are the truths that no one will speak.
Forget about ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ (DADT). The issue is NOT about whether those engaging in homosexual sex are, or are not, asked about their ‘sexual preferences.’ The real issue is whether the federal law against sodomy in the armed forces will be abolished either by statute or practice. If the law is abolished, not only will there be open homosexual sex in the barracks, but regulations against hostility to it will be enforced with vigor.
Of course, almost no one else is saying these things. So how can FRI be sure they are true?
It is the ‘nature’ of most homosexuals to ‘do their thing’ — and the more public the better. This characteristic has been noted throughout history. Sex, to the homosexually addicted, is close to the be-all and end-all of life. Why else have 300,000 male homosexuals died of AIDS, even though the mechanism — penile-anal sex — has been known since 1983? Why else do so many homosexuals engage in public sex? Why are there ‘gay pride’ parades?
How else to explain Adam Lambert? Instead of becoming just another rich ‘star,’ on November 22, he performed at the American Music Awards, broadcast on ABC. During his number, he proceeded to grind one of his dancer’s faces into his pelvis, grab the crotch of another, and passionately kiss his male keyboardist1. That “performance is something I’m extremely proud of and I wouldn’t change a thing. I am glad it facilitated a conversation about what kind of double standards there are out there.”
The risks homosexuals pose for the military are evident in an interview we recently conducted with a woman in basic training. Homosexuals are sensing that whining and complaining about their lack of rights, along with sheer persistence, are about to win them the prize. Homosexuals may care about protecting the country, but that care is almost always trumped by their homosexual compulsions. See if you can identify the compulsive behavior in the following interview recorded February 1-2, 2010. The female enlistee we spoke with was recalling her 2009 experiences in Basic Training:
Woman: “My experiences in BCT and AIT with homosexuals was and is awkward! Of course at first I didn’t know who was lesbian and who wasn’t, so I didn’t think much of who I was showering with. Then, noticing that they were looking at me a little too much made things clear as to their preferences.
“It was uncomfortable in so many ways. When your only choice is to shower in very close quarters with 60 other females, it is already embarrassing enough. Add that over half of them are lesbians, and you end up with very difficult feelings. It is like I was showering with 40 males staring at me and making comments. That isn’t acceptable for males to do to females in the military, so it shouldn’t be for females to do to each other!
“Living with them and changing clothes near them made me self conscious and uncomfortable. The ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ policy is practically void because everyone tells. You don’t even have to ask. What made it worse was when males talked about our bodies — things that the homosexual females had told them…. having a female whistle at you is not appreciated!”
Comment: If young men and women showered together, dressed together, etc. — how much ‘serious business’ could be accomplished? The answer is the same as to why single-sex schools generally produce better learning. When you are on ‘sexual alert’ you spend energy avoiding or seeking sexual attention. The military is focused on smashing and killing enemies. Given the age of most soldiers, sexual interest is necessarily ‘along for the ride,’ but getting trained and doing your job are both compromised by the easy availability of sex (e.g., STDs in WWI disabled almost as many as were wounded).
Dr. Cameron: How many of the women in your group have been discharged or processed for discharge because of homosexuality?
Woman: “Well there were 60 females that I stayed in the same barracks with, and 60 more down the hall. Out of the total 120 females, I know that at least 50 were found to be homosexuals. Many more we weren’t sure about.
“It really depended on what they did openly that determined their punishments. Some that actually got caught in sexual action were chaptered out of the army. A chapter 11 I believe. Others that were caught kissing or hand holding were given company grade article 15’s which gave them 14 days extra duty. The ones that were chaptered ended up even more openly homosexual because they had nothing to lose at that point. The ones that had article 15’s had two different outcomes. The ones that didn’t want to be in [the armed forces] just continued to misbehave so they could get chapter packets. Others really wanted to be in the military so they kept their preferences to themselves. All in all, I would guess that about 20 got chaptered out and 30 had article 15’s. The main problem was that the chapters had to remain in basic training until their packets went through and were approved. So some stayed in for all 12 weeks and caused trouble the entire time.”
Comment: The rates of lesbianism implied by this enlistee are much higher than polls suggesting that about 8% of servicewomen engage in homosexuality. Perhaps this is an anomaly or an unusual unit or training discharges are not counted. Or perhaps this enlistee was speculating without knowing the hard numbers.
Dr. Cameron: Was there any instance or instances of officer (NCO) or otherwise having sex with one or more of these recruits?
Woman: “No one in my company had sexual relations with their NCOs or chain of command. My whole battalion was really squared away. I’m not sure about any of the others.”
Dr. Cameron: Was there any hanky-panky between any of the recruits and officers?
Woman: “No, there was no fraternization between privates and NCOs [non-commissioned officers] in my company but I heard rumors about it in another company. That wasn’t homosexual, though. The private was given UCMJ action for her conduct and did not graduate. The drill sergeant did not accept her offers.”
Dr. Cameron: Were you approached to participate in lesbian activities?
Woman: “I was approached several times by lesbians who wanted me to participate in their nonsense. Of course, I immediately reported that back to my drill sergeant. I do think you need to know that the cadre at basic training did everything they could do to stop the homosexuals and they gave us frequent briefings on harassment and homosexuality and how it was not acceptable. My platoon’s drill sergeant was our company’s EO and she was always doing all she could to help those of us that were being pressured.”
Comment: Right and left lesbians were being warned, disciplined, and discharged. Yet they almost all persisted. Homosexual sex overwhelms rationality, overwhelms the desire to serve, and pushes aside a sense of propriety and scale. Other Testimony
The Washington Post2, ‘campaigning’ as it were for homosexuality, led a recent story with the tale of a 26-year-old male homosexual. He admitted ‘dating’ another soldier in the combat arms battalion — that is, he was breaking military law against sodomy. Yet this homosexual bragged that he “won hearts and minds among my brothers in arms because I did my job well and went above and beyond. I was respected.” The Post story did not suggest his mates knew he was sodomizing another soldier — who knows what they would have thought if they knew? But the Post rhapsodized that:
“Underground gay communities have emerged at bases across the United States and even in war zones. In Iraq, one e-mail group maintained by gay troops includes a database where soldiers post their instant-messaging screen names and the base where they’re stationed. Dozens have profiles on gay dating sites, some posing in uniform.”
What are these ‘communities’ for other than illegal homosexual sex? Why would the Washington Post — self-proclaimed guardian of Washington — praise disruptive lawlessness?
Randy Shilts, acclaimed historian of the gay movement (he died of AIDS at 42), lauded similar single-minded lawlessness.3 But in one incident he placed the ‘fun and games’ at the Pentagon:
“In the bathroom on corridor 6, just inside the five-acre central courtyard, men literally stood in line outside the stalls during the lunch hour, waiting their turn to engage in some hanky-panky.” (p. 184)
Assuming Shilts was reporting accurately, these homosexuals were apparently on the job. Yet they were so consumed with sex that they stood in line waiting their turn to engage in sodomy. Do heterosexuals do this? Not many in FRI’s experience. If homosexuals can’t control themselves at the Pentagon, what happens when the bullets fly, or during the many hours of ‘down time’ in training, traveling, waiting for orders, etc? [Re-read the interview with the female enlistee above.]
President Obama is pushing for a change that no ‘third party’ reports would be permitted to lead to dismissal of homosexual service personnel — effectively repealing the current federal law against sodomy in the armed forces. Thus, if two homosexuals have sex in the shower — as long as one of them doesn’t complain (and that is unlikely) — it will be considered ‘OK.’ The woman we interviewed could still report being ‘hit on,’ but she would not be able to object if three gals had sex next to her in their bunk. Would she have the right to complain if they also engaged in the grunts and groans homosexuals like to make in their parades, or would she merely put herself in line for more sensitivity training?
How many ‘straights’ want to serve under conditions where homosexual sex — in public or semi-private — is protected, but heterosexual sex is not? Some, perhaps. But many would simply not sign up or would leave. When the dust settles, who will end up defending the U.S.? How many will be left besides homosexuals and those who can tolerate being around them? Conclusion
Given the foregoing testimony, does it make sense to let homosexuals serve openly or otherwise in the armed forces?
To homosexuals, it makes plenty of sense. Sex would be highly efficient and they would be quartered with any number of potential partners. They would be allowed to ply their compulsion in a veritable ‘candy store.’ And fellow service personnel who gave them grief for their ‘need to be who they are’ would be punished.
For the rest of us? No way. A sex-saturated military would have a hard time getting out of bed, exiting bathrooms and showers, maintaining discipline, etc. No nation can expect to survive that trusts its protection to the sex-obsessed.
1. Macleans.ca, 2/8/10 ↩ 2. Washington Post, 2/10/10 ↩ 3. Shilts R (1993) Conduct Unbecoming: Gays and Lesbians in the U.S. military. NY: St. Martin’s ↩
They were all victims, whether they were interned in a concentration camp, imprisoned by a court or spared actual persecution. For ultimately, the racist Nazi system curtailed the life-opportunities of each and every homosexual man and woman. (p. 7).
It is worth pointing out that the book by Grau cited above is also cited by Scott Lively in The Pink Swastika. Lively cites the Grau book six times by my count. However, there are 104 documents in the Hidden Holocaust? Lively had to skip over sections which demonstrated clear victimization of homosexuals to get to the parts he cited."
http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/03/before-the-pink-swastika/
Why don't you read something a little more scholarly? Truthful. I'm not pushing an agenda quite unlike you. I don't approve of their lifestyle, but I don't approve of KKK cross burning either. (I posted my veteran status because someone did trying to use that as an "argument from authority"((same as you using Jim Robinsons' name))
JR banned about 8 people in the last week or so who were pushing homosexuals in the military, that’s why I pinged him.
Homosexuals get the above diseases at much higher rates than normal people. You cannot deny that.
Regarding your comments about how homosexuals fared under the Nazi regime, you can quote mine as much as you want. Homosexuals were never targeted for extinction, many Nazis were homosexuals themselves, and this was common knowledge until the onslaught of the homo-nazi agenda in the last 20 or more years. Read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by journalist William L. Shirer. He tells the truth, before the propaganda of political correctness.
I don't know who made the decision to do this... But it's not a secret that the Republican LEFT, thinks the party should go queer... like the two "cuties" in the lower Pic.
CPAC wants you young man!... BE a "queer-conservative,".. That is the future...
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Where I live there is a fairly large homosexual population and most women on the local police force are lesbians. A man I used to work for said when his wife applied at the police department, she was advised if she wasn’t a lesbian, she better at least act like one. Sick.
The “gay lifestyle” is about sex - as much as possible, on demand, and usually anonymous. It is NOT about acheiving equality, marriage, or anything else. That is the fake vaneer that is put on it.
Good GOD!!!!
Here’s the GOProud agenda. Regarding the stats of Dems and Repugs and morality, there were a couple of articles on FR maybe between two to three years ago? They were on FR, maybe it was 4 yrs ago, time goes by very fast. Lots of questions about moral issues and behaviors and it was quite telling. The Dems were much more prone to various immoral, illegal and unethical behavior than Repugs. And it wasn’t even conservatives, just Rs. If I had the article on my desktop, I’d post it. Actually there were a couple of articles about the study IIRC.
Note that these homosexual agenda pushers with a fake label on want to “hold the line” on gov spending. Hold the freaking line? WHen it’s way over in the “insane” territory? And punish other countries who are mean to sexual perverts? Sheesh! And of course they like “hate crimes” bills - not exactly small government - and employment protection (aka “you can’t fire homosexuals”).
Here’s the GOProud homo-nazi, non-conservative agenda.
GOProud’s Conservative [sic] Agenda
The so-called “gay agenda” is defined by the left through a narrow prism of legislative goals. ****While hate crimes and employment protections may be worthy goals***, there are many other important priorities that receive little attention from the gay community. GOProud’s agenda emphasizes conservative and libertarian principles that will improve the daily lives of all Americans, but especially gay and lesbian Americans.
1 - TAX REFORM - Death tax repeal; domestic partner tax equity, and other changes to the tax code that will provide equity for gays and lesbians; cut in the capital gains and corporate tax rates to jump start our economy and create jobs; a fairer, flatter and substantially simpler tax code.
2 - HEALTHCARE REFORM - Free market healthcare reform.
Legislation that will allow for the purchase of insurance across state lines - expanding access to domestic partner benefits; emphasizing individual ownership of healthcare insurance - such a shift would prevent discriminatory practices by an employer or the government.
3 - SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM - Bringing basic fairness to the Social Security system through the creation of inheritable personal savings accounts.
4 - DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL REPEAL - Repeal of the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy.
5 - HOLDING THE LINE ON SPENDING - Standing up for all tax payers against wasteful and unneccessary spending to protect future generations from the mounting federal debt.
6 - FIGHTING GLOBAL EXTREMISTS - Standing strong against radical regimes who seek to criminalize gays and lesbians.
7 - DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION - Opposing any anti-gay federal marriage amendment.
8 - ENCOURAGING COMMUNITY ENTREPRENEURSHIP - Package of free market reforms to encourage and support small businesses and entrepreneurship in the gay community.
9 - REVITALIZING OUR COMMUNITIES - A package of urban related reforms; expanding historic tax preservation credits; support for school choice.
10 - DEFENDING OUR COMMUNITY - Protecting 2nd amendment rights
having served then there is no way I want homosexuals in the military and not one person I know serving still wants them.
They will bring nothing but problems and this idiot in the white house who does not even know what a corps man is and thinks corpse is using the military as a social experiment
It’s all about THEM, isn’t it?
I notice they don’t try to preach morality, because they are devoid of same.
I'm supporting Americans who want to serve their country in the military. I don't care about their sexual inclinations, so long as their actions are consistent with good order and discipline. There's nothing inherent about being a homosexual that impacts military readiness than being left handed, so therefore, I'm ok with serving alongside homosexuals. It's not like they have to hold a grenade different or anything.
As for the BS flag, the article states that the girl went through Basic in 2009. In all four services (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines), there were 428 DADT discharges in 2009. Taking her at her word, she went through basic with more than 10% of the homosexuals outed in the entire US military... all at once, and all in the same company. Extraordinary facts require extraordinary proof.
Paranoia issues? Have you been a female serving in today’s military?
Funny thing about that. I did serve in today's military, though I'm not a female. There are not ANYWHERE NEAR that many lesbians serving in the military. How do I know? Well, it's hard not to notice that almost all of the female population in your workforce doesn't have a husband or boyfriend when you're a single man, as I was for periods of my service.
I served with homosexuals (both male and female), who did their jobs just fine and never did their sexual orientation cause a problem with morale or mission. I knew a few who were 'outed' to their chains of command through blackmail, a loss of good Soldiers and a detriment to the nation. I also knew a few who outed themselves because they decided they wanted out of their service obligation, which was a waste of Army resources.
Repealing DADT AND allowing the command to maintain good order and discipline in the unit (regardless of a member's sexual proclivity) is the best action for the nation's defense. Allowing open homosexuals to serve removes the blackmail threat (which is a measurable threat to national security) as well as the contract escape clause for gay servicemen. Allowing commanders to maintain good order and discipline is the only way the military can maintain readiness and fight our wars. One without the other is a recipe for disaster.
Wether the woman in the article stated correct figures of the percentage of sexual deviants that she saw or not, the facts remain the same.
Homosexuality is a mental illness, with a much higher rate of STDs than the general population, including a very high rate of HIV. Mentally ill people and sexual perverts do not belong in the military. It’s that simple.
You are cleverly (you think!) trying to compare left handedness - an inborn, morally neutral trait, with people who choose to practice sodomy.
How insulting to all southpaws!
PS - That’s called “clutching at straws”.
I see you apparently haven’t figured out how this ALWAYS works. Just as we dumbed-down education to accommodate minorities who can’t or won’t learn, the military would be forced to lower its physical training standards to accommodate them.
Once homosexual status is given the imprimatur of formal acceptance, the lowering of standards to accommodate them will begin. It’s the same way unions operate. They get their foot in the door and then they start suing and/or striking to get the work conditions, privileges, benefits and lowered productivity standards they want.
That really isn’t true. There are many queer sports leagues and there are plenty of women’s sports that are almost all dykes. That Canadian women’s hockey team looked to be at least half dyke, and women’s basketball and tennis are swarming with them. As for male queers being uncoordinated, have you ever watched male figure skaters or danseurs (male ballerina)? Are you aware that queers have their own rodeo circuit?
They aren’t uncoordinated at all. Disgusting, yes, uncoordinated, no.
Maybe the best thing to do would be to let the queers take over the military. Ahmanutjob, Al-Queda and Kim Jong Il can take it from there. Problem solved.
The Spartans were homosexuals and the best soldiers in the ancient world....just say’n :-)
Disagree with Ron Paul’s political views and some of his nutty supporters all you want, but if by “RuPaul” that’s who you mean: he served for 5 years as a flight surgeon in the United States Air Force during the 1960’s. Not too many Congressman have served in any capacity.
Do we have the best military in the world? Yes or no. If yes, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. End of story.
“I really believe that nothing would change”
Perhaps.
But maybe not. Why risk it?
Besides, open homosexuals being deployed to countries and regions where homosexuality is punished by death (think mid-east). Many of those countries do not have a SOFA protecting the servicemen (Saudi is one). So, they are subject to arrest and prosecution and there is nothing we can do about it. . .except remove them from deployments to the worst areas, causing the heterosexuals to pick up the slack and shoulder greater risk.
We would have to remove them from deployment because if they are found prancing about they can be legitimately arrested and prosecuted for breaking their laws and customs, and we are to be sensitive and ‘respect’ their turd-world laws and culture, aren’t we?
Besides, isn’t this what the left wants, our servicemen to be subject to local laws?
And we are supposed to stand fast over that?
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