LEAGUE CALLS ON RUSSIANS TO END WAR AND NEGOTIATE (12/12/39)

Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 12/12/39 | P.J. Philip, James B. Reston, Raymond Daniell

[Homer_J_Simpson]

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[Homer_J_Simpson]

I hope everyone takes a few minutes to read the saga of the Polish Submarine Orzel. It should be made into a movie.

Thanks for the tip. I scanned the story when I first printed it out but didn't give a thorough reading. It would make a great movie. Sort of a forerunner to "Hunt for Red October."

“mokusatsu.”

Today I learned a new and useful word.

[freedumb2003]

>>As for HD1200, I find the best practice is “mokusatsu.”<<

We all scramble to google/yahoo/bing and get a great new term and it fits perfectly! Thanks!

[freedumb2003]

I think it is Das Boot where you can root for the guys in the sub :)

Nothing went right for the guys on Orzel other than staying alive.

But picturing them standing on the deck helplessly shaking their fists at the German Aircraft and their deep desire for, lets face it, revenge and the lengths they went to would be a fantastic story at the hands of a deft producer/director (NOT Cameron or Bay).

[GeronL]

we only had 206,000 doldiers at this point?

[Homer_J_Simpson]

Don’t you think that is enough to take care of anything that might come up? Everyone in Washington has assured us we are staying out of the war in Europe.

[GeronL]

lol

[CougarGA7]

Day 13 of the Winter War, December 12, 1939

Central Isthmus: Soviet troops launch reconnaissance probes at Summa in the central section of the Isthmus.
Photo: SA-KUVA

Finland to buy 43 Brewster fighters from USA

• Central Isthmus: Soviet troops launch reconnaissance probes at Summa in the central section of the Isthmus.

• Ladoga Karelia: Group Talvela's Detachment Pajari begins its successful offensive at Tolvajärvi.

• Ladoga Karelia: troops of IV Army Corps launch an offensive on the Lemetti road.

• Ilomantsi: Detachment A's advance from Oinaansalmi to take Möhkö 4 km to the east grinds to a halt due to command problems.

• Suursaari: the Finnish motor torpedo boats Raju and Isku lay the first offensive mine fields in front of Suursaari harbour.

• The League of Nations calls on the warring parties to cease hostilities and open peace negotiations.

• Finland wins authorization to buy 43 Brewster fighter aircraft from the USA.

[CougarGA7]

My solution for you sir is to take a remedial math class and stop clicking on these threads. There, problem solved, and we don’t have to listen to your self serving rants. Win-win if you ask me.

[CougarGA7]

Me, I prefer books and resources from credited sources where the facts of history have been studied and more accurately reported than the news hype of the day 70 years ago.

Clearly you don't get it and I can see that it would be wise to avoid anything you ever write on history since your entire concept of what history is, is distorted.

First may I recommend that you read David Fischer's Historian's Fallacies just so you can get some perspective on what written history is. As far as the hype of a 70 year old newspaper goes, you have to stop and think a minute and realize that these papers were for many the main and even sole source of information they had available at that time. It is interesting to read them with the hindsight of having better and more accurate information on the true events. The additional sourcing that you bemoan helps develop that for the reader on these threads.

Personally, when I read each one I try to do it from the perspective of having seen this information for the first time (impossible to do totally, but its worth trying). It helps give me a perspective for what the average American man was seeing as these developments were manifesting overseas and serves as good contrast to the events has they've been recorded for posterity.

[BroJoeK]

"As for HD1200, I find the best practice is “mokusatsu.” "

Mokusatsu (黙殺?) is a Japanese word meaning "to ignore" or "to treat with silent contempt". It is composed of two kanji: 黙 (moku, lit. "silence") and 殺 (satsu, lit. "killing").

This is why I love these threads. Thanks! ;-)

[henkster]

As with many things I do, “mokusatsu” was deliberately picked for multiple reasons. 1) It is a proper practice in the particular situation, with a little dig on a somewhat prickly poster. 2) You learn a new and useful term, and thereby gain insight into another culture, and 3) the word was once used in a historical situation very much related to what we are studying here.

[Homer_J_Simpson]

You reminded me of the following excerpt I should have posted way back when.

On December 12, 1939, Quezon gave a luncheon in honor of the departing Eisenhowers, and presented Ike with the Philippine Distinguished Service Cross, which he asked Mamie to pin on her husband's white dress uniform, with MacArthur beaming at them both like a happy uncle. "You helped him earn it," the president said to Mamie, and then presented her with magnificent table service. MacArthur praised Ike's "superior professional ability, unswerving loyalty, and unselfish devotion to duty."

MacArthur came in person to see them off, and as their ship sailed from Manila Bay for home, the Philippine army band played on the shore, and two of Ike's pilots flew overhead to accompany the ship far out to sea. Mamie would remember feeling that their lives were about to change, but not even she could have guessed how far Ike was to go, or how quick his rise would be.

Years later, when they were both five-star generals and supreme commanders, a woman asked General Douglas MacArthur if he knew General Eisenhower. MacArthur gave her a steely look and replied, "Best clerk I ever had."

Michael Korda, Ike: An American Hero

[CougarGA7]

Self righteous son of a bitch wasn’t he. Though it is hard to argue the fact that Eisenhower spent his career as a staff officer. He was always trying to get a command, but officers he was under always found him too valuable, including MacArthur. Serving under MacArhtur, Fox Conner, and George Marshall gave him the tools he needed as well as the diplomatic skills to become the Allied Commander in Europe though. Marshall had it easier in that theater because Ike solved problems on his own. Unlike his situation in the Pacific where he had to contend with MacArthur, Nimitz, King, and Halsey to try and make the whole thing work.

Getting back to MacArthur though. Once we hit the end of 1941 I’ll have plenty of abuse to dole out on him. I have gone over his defensive plan in the Philippines in detail as part of an analysis of his MOH citation.