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Is another 9/11 set to unfold?
Deseret News ^ | Published: Saturday, Sept. 5, 2009 9:32 p.m. MDT | By Lee Benson

Posted on 09/07/2009 4:48:57 PM PDT by Cindy

SNIPPET: "It was Hill who converted to Islam as a young U.S. Army paratrooper stationed in Beirut in 1958. It was Hill who learned fluent Arabic. It was Hill who joined the Mujahedeen Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan and fought the Soviet invasion there in the 1980s. It was Hill who personally met Osama bin Laden. It was Hill who used information from Islamic extremists to warn Rescorla that terrorists would use the underground parking garage for a car bomb attack on the World Trade Center. It was Hill who asked the U.S. government to assist him in an assassination attempt on bin Laden in 1998 (the request was rejected). And it was Hill who warned the FBI just weeks before Sept. 11, 2001, that his Mideast contacts told him "something big" was about to happen in the United States, in New York, Washington, D.C., or Philadelphia — maybe all three.

Through the Internet I managed to contact Hill at his home in Florida. He's 71 now. I asked him if his reputation as a terrorism prognosticator without parallel has changed his life much.

"Oh, that blew over pretty fast," he said. "Most of the people even in my hometown don't know any of that stuff."

He didn't want to talk about the past. He wanted to talk about the future.

The very near future.

The man who predicted 9/11 is worried that its sequel is imminent.

"Muslims that I talk to say things like, 'America thinks they're safe now. They've forgotten about 9/11. But watch, Daniel. Stay near your TV. It's going to be bigger than 9/11,' " he said."

Please read the entire article here: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705328180/Is-another-911-set-to-unfold.html

(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Reference
KEYWORDS: 8thanniversary; 911; 91101; crushislam; danielhill; eighthanniversary; globaljihad; hill; islam; islamicterrorism; islamicviolence; jihad; jihadinamerica; september112001
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To: bilhosty

Wouldn’t using planes have kind of an EMP effect?


241 posted on 09/11/2009 7:28:28 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: Califreak; DBrow
Wouldn’t using planes have kind of an EMP effect?

Dbrow had this respose

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2335456/posts?q=1&;page=1

Your run-of-the-mill “city incinerator” missiles have a range of 5000-6000 miles and only rise up 60-70 miles, sort of low for the big EMP pancake effect. The 60 miles high comes in the middle of the trajectory. For good EMP you want to be 120, 170, even 250 miles up, and that would need to be the middle of the path, not the end. Compare that to Korea’s last launch. I think Iran can orbit small sats, they might be capable in a few years.

242 posted on 09/12/2009 1:54:54 AM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

Thanks.


243 posted on 09/12/2009 2:18:14 AM PDT by Califreak (If it's Astroturf, why are you trying to mow it?(sign seen at a town hall meeting))
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To: marbren; Califreak

http://www.princeton.edu/sgs/publications/articles/effects/effects-11.pdf

Glasstone’s chapter on EMP. The kind that zaps a huge portion of land under it is the High Altitude EMP or HEMP pulse, from a very high detonation. 11.13 is the start of that section.

The detonations lower down produce EMP (any nuke does) but not as intense and mostly local, where other effects like blast and neutrons give you a lot more to worry about than your iPod not booting.

Geeky and somewhat pedantic Glasstone’s book is the best unclessified tome on nukes available.


244 posted on 09/12/2009 7:01:29 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Thanks


245 posted on 09/13/2009 2:38:04 AM PDT by marbren
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To: All

Here’s the thread you’re referring to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2334249/posts


246 posted on 09/13/2009 7:32:30 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: GOPJ

Here’s the thread you’re referring to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2334249/posts


247 posted on 09/13/2009 7:33:26 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Got it, Cindy.


248 posted on 09/13/2009 7:35:07 PM PDT by GOPJ (ObamaCare - a scam that would make Madoff blush...)
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To: Star Traveler
Osama bin Laden is not a day-dreamer. He made all possible efforts to obtain nuclear materials and tactical weapons, and to hire Russian and other scientists and technicians to maintain and develop his “small nuclear arsenal”.

The most dangerous connection is not between al Qaeda and the Chechen, or other mafias, but between al Qaeda and the former (or current) members of the Russian Intelligence. And this connection is an established fact, right on American soil. If the Russian Government wanted to convince the U.S. Government of their clean and non-hostile intentions, let them expose the locations of the KGB and GRU nuclear demolition charges, hidden on the territory of the United States. This act could be a great help to the American anti-terrorist activity, and to the protection of the American people.

Thanks = interesting stuff.

249 posted on 09/13/2009 7:39:00 PM PDT by GOPJ (ObamaCare - a scam that would make Madoff blush...)
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To: GOPJ

Ok, you’re welcome.


250 posted on 09/13/2009 7:43:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: sneakers

bump to read later


251 posted on 09/15/2009 12:37:33 PM PDT by sneakers (Indiana (Pa) Patriots: www.standtoo.com)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Since you know what you are talking about and I havent a clue, please tell us the range of a dirty bomb dropped on the White House.

TIA.


252 posted on 09/15/2009 12:39:32 PM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: Star Traveler
"The nukes, he said, will be detonated over New York, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Miami, Houston, Las Vegas and Los Angeles."

So that's why Air Force One made that fly-by over New York City a few months ago...

253 posted on 09/15/2009 12:53:16 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Cindy

The destruction of even one US city by a terrorist nuke would change America dramatically. No Muslim or mosque would be safe in the US and the American people would not settle for any milquetoast response by Obama. As for Obama using the crisis to take over the country using emergency powers.. that is a possibility, but again the American people given the demonstration of their mood on 9-12 would not tolerate that. I could see such a move by Obama as precipitating a military coupe to restore the Constitution.


254 posted on 09/15/2009 1:11:24 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Star Traveler
So, The Arabs and Osama want to create a REAL “Evening in Byzantium” scenario—For REAL??

For those who do NOT know..”Evening n Byzantium” is a TV—movie from 1978.It starts out as a “somewhat boring, soap-opera-style movie, about a man making a movie about a “terrorist attack in America with small nukes”..But it ENDS UP—with terrorists acquiring 3, 20+kt nukes.(BIGGER than “suitcase nukes”)...putting them on planes...and flying them OVER...NY, DC, LA, and planning to detonate them!! Of course....in this movie..the “hero” Glenn Ford..IS able to “save the day” in the ‘nick of time—and the planes are shot down, JUST before they can detonate the warheads.

I HAVE this movie...but it is VERY hard to get...and is NEVER shown on tv (no doubt...for obvious reasons..)

Now...if I was the president...I would have ‘sent out a warning” to other countries...that if ANYTHING happened to any of our cities—that remotely resembles 9-11—again....THEN a Trident sub WILL be dispatched to the last known Location of Osama...and ONE missile WILL be “delivered’ to that location...

Maybe something like THAT would “give them pause”..knowing that 200k+ of their “friends” would “vanish” in a bright flash...

255 posted on 09/15/2009 1:11:29 PM PDT by Rca2000 ( "They all got what they wanted...but NO ONE seems very happy".)
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To: Cindy

Heaven forbid.


256 posted on 09/15/2009 1:13:25 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Rca2000

Forget Bin Ladin, THREATEN MECCA.


257 posted on 09/15/2009 1:17:36 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: freespirited
I can help you out a bit here..maybe not as much as some ‘in the know”,though..Perhaps someone who knows more than I do--can "add to" this discussion or such. it IS true...that an average “suitcase nuke” would need some “tuning up” to make it work. not so much for the actual nuclear fuel, but for the “other things” needed to make it work.

First off...consider what the “suitcase nuke”, as it is called...was designed for in the FIRST place...to be smuggled onto a major military base or perhaps government complex, hidden and “left there” by covert operatives...and take out that complex. They were NEVER intended to be used against “soft targets” such as cities or civilian populations—as far as I have been able to determine. ALSO..WE(the US), DID have a type of “suitcase nuke OURSELVES. The smaller types were called SADM'S(Small atomic demolition munition) and the Larger types were called “MADM'S (medium atomic demolition munition) They were typically housed in a “large backpack” type of carrier—and in the case of the MADM—the yield could go as high as 10KT—using the W-45 warhead.(Not far from the Hiroshima yield). Now—these WERE pretty heavy, and typically meant to be handled by more than one person. IOW—the “Peacemaker” scenario—with that little “thermos sized” nuke, in a small backpack—was NOT true....or at least admitted to in public domain.

However—ALL nukes, in particular a small sized one with more than 1KT yield...MUST be “enriched”, or “boosted” so that the chain reaction will take place fast enough—and efficiently enough—to produce a boom and not a “fizzile”—where not enough nuclear mass is reacted on—and you end up with a “Dirty bomb”. Usually—tritium is needed to produce this boosting effect...and it HAS to be replaced every so often-—in our normal warheads in service—every few years. Otherwise..it will NOT boost—and the bomb will NOT “blow”. Also—to start the chain reaction—one needs a stream of neutrons to be injected into the core at EXACTLY the right time—as the mass is brought to criticality...One again..no neutron bombardment...no BOOM..and only “dirt”. These neutron generators ALSO have to be replaced on a regular basis.

BTW—ALL of this is “public knowledge”. I am NOT “revealing anything” here. ANYONE can look up everything I know themselves.

SO—it is NOT too easy, to take an old, forgotten miniature nuke, that has been “dormant” for probably at least 20 years...and just “fire it off”. Now—it is NOT impossible...but NOT too probable either. But does that mean that we shouldn't worry? of course not!! Not too mention—how do we know, that some warhead off of a “decommissioned” Russian missile has not “found its way” into the hands of terrorists?? Some of them could ALSO be transported in a small car—or ANY plane.

As for a “dirty bomb” incident...using a “fiziled nuke” would NOT be the most effective method to do this. There is not enough mass—to produce a very large radioactive cloud. Sure—in the immediate area—say—a few blocks—there WOULD be a BIG problem,, and the need for decon procedures, clean--up, etc.. but NOT like there would be if, for example a BUNCH of low—level radioactive waste, say a couple of tons—were dispersed into a cloud by a large amount of explosives. THAT could produce a big fallout cloud, over a metropolitan area. But STILL—NO “dirty bomb” is going to “wipe out” a city or such. Detonated in a complex, on the other hand—like the UN or such—there WOULD be a HUGE problem, of course.

AS I said before...There IS a threat--and we should let it be known that we WILL respond to such an incident...by converting several miles radius of terrorist areas to smoldering ashes. But I suspect that Obama would get all "wee--weed up" and talk abut how we "must understand the frustrations of our enemies" or other such crap.

258 posted on 09/15/2009 1:58:45 PM PDT by Rca2000 ( "They all got what they wanted...but NO ONE seems very happy".)
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To: himno hero; Just A Nobody; All
I believe its coming too. I also believe that this is the mechanism that will come into play for “marshall law” and Obama to push his shadow government into play.I also believe he has a huge awareness and that is also why he has hinted along the way something big is going to happen. Its un nerving but with obama, I believe mainstream America has been set up by the great manchurian, who is bent on the destruction of America. IMO

Agreed. Many people should start thinking this way or it'll be curtains.

Martial Law is what 0b0z0 and his CommuFascist cabal need to disarm the citizenry in order to subjugate the country and become a President-For-Life.

In case bin Laden does NOT pitch in, here is what I wrote once about a possible scenario or a variation of it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2317044/posts?page=62#62

259 posted on 09/15/2009 2:00:46 PM PDT by melancholy (Hey Marxists, don't Crap & Tread on me. Zer0's defeat is now in progress.)
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To: Rca2000

Thank you SO much for taking the time to write this. It is very informative AND useful.

Feel a lot better now too.


260 posted on 09/15/2009 2:59:51 PM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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