Lucas Smith Affidavit now filed with the US District Court

I am confused as to how you have determined that it is a fake document, and that he is guilty of anything at all at this point.

IMO, you already think he is a fake, and anything he does or says, is worthless. I do not hold that opinion.

So, if and when such an occurance transpires, we can discuss it at that point.

Your just fishing to discredit him, and I am not falling for the bait.

Lets see what transpires, and what the court does with this information.

I am not one to kill the messenger, are you?

The fact obozo’s DOJ is attempting to throw it out speaks volumes.

I agree that it makes them seem a bit desperate.

If this BC is a fake, why not let it play out and completely invalidate these and all “birthers”.

I agree to let it play out, I disagree that it ivalidates people wanting the constitution to be upheld, stating that a natural born citizen is the only qualified person to be president, and think Birthers are after the truth, so its not a negative thing to want.

In addition. Lucas Smith is risking a LOT by submitting this document to the District Court.

IMO he was risking alot more NOT submitting it to the Court, many might try to eliminate him before doing so

I don’t know where obozo was born, but his actions including DOJ are very telling.

Indeed

Considering Smith has already been convicted of forgery, I did not have to fish too deep.

Again, it takes a thief to catch a thief. He has never hidden his past.
Again, your shooting the messenger, and ignoring the message.

Patience sir, patience

“A quick Google of the name Helton Maganga brought up 154 hits.”

At this time, only 124 hits are coming up. Slow removal, perhaps...?

Here we go again. This obvious scrubbing of web content would not be happening if there were nothing there to incriminate Obama.

Helton Maganga must be a red-hot lead.

You're not paranoid. This stuff is really happening.

And now the number of hits is down to 105. They must be having to pick and choose the sites they take down. Guess it would look even more suspicious if every reference disappeared at once. I’m anxious to see how many more are gone by morning.

And now the number of hits is down to 105. They must be having to pick and choose the sites they take down. Guess it would look even more suspicious if every reference disappeared at once.

Whoever is doing this is a fool, if they think that the current rate of vanishing web hits doesn't look suspicious.

Do they honestly think that no one is documenting this?

As I said before, these links wouldn't be disappearing if there weren't anything to find there. This web scrubbing activity is very strong evidence that Helton Maganga is a find of real importance, and is someone who has the power to do real damage to Obama.

I will always accept truth based on facts.

You've been defending Obama on nearly every birth certificate thread since before the election without the slightest trace of "facts" or "truth" to back your contentions.

No, Truman. You'll accept flimsy circumstantial evidence, convoluted deduction, and outright forgeries, per my observation.

The actual truth of this case has never been uncovered, because Obama and his lawyers have successfully kept it under wraps. We Birthers admit that, but you claim to know the truth of this issue without having the evidence.

When the truth of this sordid affair finally does come out, only then will we know if you'll "accept" it.

"The Justice Department is urging a federal court..."
"...government lawyers did not directly rebut..."
"...federal attorneys argued..."
..."Assistant United States Attorneys Roger West and David DeJute wrote."

Anyone notice a pattern here?

It appears that our tax dollars are being spent to defend the Precedent against these lawsuits. Is it even legal for Obama to use the US Department of Justice to represent him in these cases?

good question Windflier, I don’t know.

Your just fishing to discredit him, and I am not falling for the bait.

I smell a rat. I have found his objections to be shrill and meritless on other related threads, and he appears particularly drawn to this topic almost with a singular mission to discredit the BC issue. He's not interested in the search for the truth; he only, as you observe, has a mission to discredit.

He's been known to post over at DU too under the same name. I am suspicious of his motives.

So far, I remain uncommitted to any position yet with respect to the evidence, as it has been presented, but no truly objective person dismisses evidence out of hand without first performing a credible, forensic analysis.

I look forward to learning more. If it is not credible, it will be shown as such. If it is credible, it will truly be damning.

The Administration's dodging of this issue and the possibility that they may be planting their flaks on threads like this only adds to the growing belief that a massive fraud is and has been afoot with the complete blessing and complicity of the DNC.

I smell a rat. I have found his objections to be shrill and meritless on other related threads, and he appears particularly drawn to this topic almost with a singular mission to discredit the BC issue.

Let’s see, he went to Kenya specifically to get a certified copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate. He’s succeeded. Yep, I would say that’s single minded, or goal oriented, take your choice.

I look forward to learning more. If it is not credible, it will be shown as such. If it is credible, it will truly be damning.

I agree, I have high hopes that this judge will give a fair hearing to all the evidence.

The Administration’s dodging of this issue and the possibility that they may be planting their flaks on threads like this only adds to the growing belief that a massive fraud is and has been afoot with the complete blessing and complicity of the DNC.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that tends to point that way. Unsealing the documents that Obama has sealed, will clarify things greatly. The fact that he has sealed them, says much about the circumstantial evidence.
It is my hope that we can get these answers:
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.

He’s not interested in the search for the truth; he only, as you observe, has a mission to discredit.

He was financed to get the BC, in any manner he could. Being one who knows how to get what he wants, he paid off the necessary people to get it. I suspect, that if he had not been financed, he would not have been able to do this on his own. I further suspect that the hunt was more appealing than the catch to him. I think that the fact that he got it, and it proved IMO that Obama was born in Kenya is secondary to the fact that he succeded and other failed.
I don’t think he gives a damn about discrediting anyone, but wants the truth to come out.

He’s been known to post over at DU too under the same name. I am suspicious of his motives.

When his evidence is ruled on by a judge who examines the evidence, his motives take a back seat to the evidence, as you well know.

So far, I remain uncommitted to any position yet with respect to the evidence, as it has been presented, but no truly objective person dismisses evidence out of hand without first performing a credible, forensic analysis.

I agree, and have always maintained that position except for my personal opinion which I have specified at each posting.

Is there any word on the Hearing yet???

I am saddened, but not surprised that I can find no coverage of the court case. Fox News said they were going to be covering it, I went to their website, but could find nothing. I am just coming back to the computer right now. So as of 2:12pm Central Time...nothing I could find.