Posted on 07/21/2009 3:42:26 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
In a quest that is seen as wacky, way out there and as bitter partisan politics by some,the issue of Obama not showing his birth certificate to prove he is a naturalized American citizen continues. Is this really just some conspiracy theory along the lines of 9/11 truthers and alien cover ups? At first glance it seems like it. But surprisingly many American’s seem to actually believe there is some possibility of truth in this claim that Obama is not a citizen. WND continues to run stories on it but most recently a congressman’s town hall meeting became overwhelmed with the issue.
Many people will immediately jump up and say “Obama produced a birth certificate, what more do you want?” Apparently Obama provided a certificate of live birth (COLB) which is not the same as a long form birth certificate. The long form birth certificate should provide evidence that can be corroborated. The COLB provided on factcheck.org does not show a hospital, doctor’s name or anything else that can be checked, just a time and city. This COLB can also be obtained by non citizens.
Obama could easily release his long form birth certificate but hasn’t. Just to stop people from talking about it and to show that he has the most transparent administration, you think he would.
Many liberals, moderates and even some conservatives will probably read this and just say “get over it already.” There is a time to let things go and personally I already have. Not because I don’t think it’s important but because I think Obama will never release this information and even if it is true that he is not a natural citizen, that nothing will change. But should people just get over this? If it is true, it is the biggest scam in history. People never got over Bush’s decision to go to war with Iraq, should everyone just forget about this issue?
The argument could easily be made that if Obama does not qualify to be president than all of the bills he signed and executive orders he issued would have to be undone. This is very important but would cause huge upheaval. I don’t know if the American people would be able to handle this kind of event and the ramifications of the loss in trust of the government. It doesn’t mean the truth shouldn’t be fully investigated though but I sincerely doubt it ever will be
And when did President Reagan produce his brith certificate during the presidential campaign and who did he present it to? And while you're at it, how about the same information for Bush, Clinton, Kerry, Dukakis, Nixon, Ford, Carter, etc., etc.
A typical mojitojoe response - how do you prove something that never happened, never happened? This is what passes for logic in the Birther community. But you can always prove me out to be the liar you accuse me of by produceing links that definitively show that all those candidates did show a real birth certificate and who they showed them to.
\ Now I'll sit back as you splutter and spew and claim that I need to prove a negative. You're very predictable.
Of course it was. Were all the others as well?
Of course it was. Were all the others as well?
Your discovery abilities never cease to amaze me! Thanks for the ping.
There's no proof of that. And no, the private school registration form from Indonesia does not prove it.
He used Barry at Occidental also.
LOL. That's a nickname! If your legal name is Michael, but your friends call you Mike, do you honestly believe the Illinois bar cares?
At any rate, even if he did lie on the application, how exactly does that affect his eligibility to be president?
I don't know and don't have the time to do the research. Wouldn't it be nice though - if the media did do some of that research?
I am telling you that Reagan's birth certificate is on display in the Reagan library.
But while you're at it, would you please tell me if President's Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc. etc. hid every aspect of their past as zer0 has? You know the list - Columbia records, Occidental records...and so on.
Also, do you think any of the above would have spent one dollar to NOT produce their birth certificate?
I guess the big difference between past presidents and this one and the reason there are so many questions regarding zer0, is that the others didn't spend vast fortunes obfuscating.
I should know better than to get a sensible answer out of you once the rum starts talking.
You're the last person to be saying that about anyone else.
He will never show those documents, never!
And again, so what? What does any of that have to do with Obama's Constitutional qualification to be president? Foreign father, living in Indonesia, calling him self Barry Obama or Barry Manilow, none of that have anything to do with the central Birther question - was Obama born here? If he was then case closed, he's legal. All your fishing for school records is a goose chase that has absolutely no bearing on the main question - is Obama a natural born citizen. He says he is, and doesn't seem to be in much of a mood to help you prove otherwise. That part is up to you, and you're failing miserably.
... he’s a Marxist asshole.
Amazing. You finally posted something we can agree on. But based on past experience I don't expect you to make a habit of it. On this or any other subject.
You have no idea just how right you are about that.
You obviously don't need me to do that.
I have always wondered, just where does the name “Soetoro” come from? THere’s got to be some logic to it,but I must have missed the explanation somewhere.
Obama’s mother married a man named Soetoro. Obama’s mother moved to Indonesia where Obama changed his name to Barry Soetoro (I’m not certain in which order). Obama may have attended Occidental College as an Indonesian by the name of Barry Soetoro. He traveled to Pakistan in 1981 probably on either an Indonesian or Kenyan passport.
Per Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, one must be a natural born citizen to serve as President.
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