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Federal Judge to hear Obama Birth Certificate on the Merits!
Emails ^ | JULY 13TH, 2009 | Alan Peters

Posted on 07/13/2009 8:48:39 PM PDT by FARS

Obama eligibility case will be heard on the merits !! Please distribute everywhere.

At the hearing today at the Federal Court building in Santa Ana, Judge Carter reportedly said the following: 1. There will be a trial. 2. It will be heard on the merits. 3. Nothing will be dismissed on proceedural issues. 4. The trial will be expeditious, and the judge pledged to give case priority. 5. Being a former Marine he realizes the importance of having a Constitutionally qualified POTUS/CINC. 6. Judge stated that if Obama isn't Constitutionally qualifed he needs to leave the White House.

(Excerpt) Read more at antimullah.com ...


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To: Hardastarboard

Ah, no problem. I know the written word is a “lossy format,” to use an audiophile term. Have a good day...


381 posted on 07/14/2009 10:15:38 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: Perchant

>If was found to be constitutionally ineligible, he would be in perpetual violation of the Constitution. At that point, he’d have to be removed because none of his authority would be legal or enforceable.<

Imagine all the damage he has done, all the undoing that will have to be done.
how do you get back the money spent, or take away the words that he said across the world on his apology tour?

If god willing he is booted out of office imagine the liberal backlash and the MSM crying that he was set up and the riots that they will start over it.

Hunker down, keep your powder dry.


382 posted on 07/14/2009 10:17:03 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: wardaddy

>is it true or urban legand about the Occidental College app as a foreign student??<

we may find out soon! if true, he is SCREWED on it’s face.


383 posted on 07/14/2009 10:19:46 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: FARS

>you have never met Judge Carter. He speaks his mind and has no fear of refering to nuances which have prevented the case from being heard till now.<

Thank god!


384 posted on 07/14/2009 10:20:52 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: kellynla

I was gonna say, Anti-Mullah doesn’t usually go sideways when it comes to Orly Taitz.


385 posted on 07/14/2009 10:24:31 AM PDT by Danae (Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MHGinTN

>When a narcissist is publicly rejected, the reaction is never a pretty or calm thing. If this affirmative action fraud figure is forced from office, he will be vindictive and seek the adulation of a very unruly mob who worked to get him elected doing many illegal things in his service.<

same way as they did in kenya for his cousin Odinga when he lost.
Only Obama has ACORN thugs and Black Panthers.


386 posted on 07/14/2009 10:26:23 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: txhurl

>But who does Biden select as his VP?<
he doesn’t it is succession.
I think it is pelosi


387 posted on 07/14/2009 10:27:11 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Munz
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3068

Here is the motion filed yesterday before the hearing in Keyes et al v Obama et al

Dr. Orly Taitz

Attorney-at-Law

Orly Taitz Law Offices

26302 La Paz, Suite 211

Mission Viejo, California 92691

Telephone: (949) 683-5411

E-Mail: dr_taitz@yahoo.com

 

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

SANTA ANA (SOUTHERN) DIVISION

 

Alan Keyes, Ph.D., Willey S. Drake, and      §

Markham Robinson,                                      §

                              Plaintiffs,                         §        Civil Action No.:

                                                                      §        SACV09-00082-DOC (Anx)

                    v.                                               §

                                                                      §

Barack H. Obama, et al.,                                §

                              Defendants.                     §

 

MOTION FOR ENTRY OF FINAL JUDGMENT BY DEFAULT

     This court has jurisdiction over Count I of the Plaintiffs’ complaint filed January 20, 2009, (for Declaratory Judgment regarding Barack H. Obama’s status as a natural born citizen and resultant constitutional qualification to serve as President), pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act 5 U.S.C. §552(a)(4)(B) and 42 U.S.C. §§1983, 1988 (Civil Rights Action), and venue is proper in the Central District of California, Santa Ana Division, is the District and Division in which Plaintiff Wiley S. Drake Lives (Buena Park, Orange County, California). 

This matter is justiciable under FOIA, 5 U.S.C. §§ 552a(b), 552a(b)(2) (1988). Under FOIA, an agency such as the Executive Office of the President and the White House (Title 3, C.F.R.) must disclose the information sought by the requester unless the agency can invoke one of nine exemptions specified in that Act. See 5 U.S.C. § 552(b) (1988). Some of these exemptions protecting personal privacy apply to “medical and personnel records.” 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(6) (1988).  However, it has been for many years recognized that the medical and personnel records of the de facto or de jure President of the United States (such as Barack Hussein Obama today) and even for candidates for the Presidency of the United States are matters of public interest and concern.  The issue in this case is whether the public interest in a limited number of personnel records on Barack Hussein Obama is sufficient to compel disclosure of one particular document whose existence has been acknowledged and confirmed many times but which, for whatever as yet undisclosed reasons, neither the private Candidate Barack Hussein Obama or the de facto President Barack Hussein Obama has been willing to disclose, namely: the “vault” or “long form” Hawaii birth certificate (and all related hospital or medical documents) which Plaintiffs contain will finally confirm or denounce Barack Hussein Obama’s Article II qualifications to serve and “faithfully execute” the office of President of the United States, showing whether Mr. Obama was indeed born on US soil to two US citizen parents.

The public had before the election and still has today a compelling interest in the disclosure of this one single bit of critical documentation (and all related) records and proof. The public’s interest is undergirded by two lines of decisions from the U. S. Supreme Court. The first line concerns the public’s right to the performance of an agency manager, such as an including the President as “manager” of the entire executive branch, under FOIA. The second line of decisions concerns the vital role in our democratic society played by disclosing facts and track records of candidates for public office.

Against this enormous public interest in favor of disclosing the records on Barack Hussein Obama, the present Defendant Barack Hussein Obama by his default has raised absolutely nothing (nor have the U.S. Attorneys who attempt to appear as non-parties [neither as representing Obama, nor any intervening party, nor as “amici curiae” on their own behalf] with their highly irregular “Statement of Interest,” the statutory or rule-based justification for which does not appear on the face of this bizarre filing).  The Defendant’s substantive default is complete even after repeated notification and service.

Since the FOIA exemptions that permit an agency to withhold information are narrowly construed, the Court has no statutory basis to rule for anything except full production of the limited number of constitutionally significant documents from the de facto Chief Executive Officer of the United States.   It is a matter of public record that Barack Hussein Obama both as the Presidential Candidate and the de facto has never denied the relevance of his birth certificate but in fact repeatedly produced  a computer image of an unsigned, unofficial document directly and through the Democratic National Committee, while refusing to consent to release of the official document on file in the Health Department in Hawaii. 

Accordingly even if Barack Hussein Obama were deemed to have appeared and answered or objected to service by and through the U.S. Attorney’s office, which he plainly did not do, Barack Hussein Obama would be equitably and quite possible judicially estopped by his conduct in prior litigation from raising any FOIA objection to all elements of his personnel and medical records under FOIA.  As shown in Exhibit B, in prior proceedings another United States Attorney in the State of California, to wit Lawrence G. Brown and Yoshinori H. T. Himel, agreed to the production of documents informally rather than by subpoena (Exhibit B). 

In sum, even in the absence of default, Barack Hussein Obama has no viable defense to the claims raised by the Plaintiffs in this suit.

The odd truth is that Barack Hussein Obama has not resisted the substance of repeated requests for proof of his citizenship in and of themselves.  He has neither claimed a privacy interest in his original “Long Form” “Vault” birth certificate from Hawaii.  Rather, Defendant Obama has merely (but routinely) resisted any criticism of the form or sufficiency of his responses, and has refused to cure any doubts regarding the same, without regard to public confidence or respect for the public interest and the intangible right of the people to honest fiduciary services on the part of their governmental officials.  Cf. 18 U.S.C. §1346.

The public has a significant, almost unparalleled, interest under FOIA in the release of these records, which shed determinative light on the Constitutional qualifications of the President.  Because the public interest under FOIA in the release of Obama’s records was so significant, and because Obama has never claimed a privacy interest in his personnel or medical records prior to becoming President, this court should follow an implement the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in United States Dep’t of Justice v. Reporters Comm. for Freedom of the Press, 489 U.S. 749 (1989).  This case established guidelines for determining when records should be released under FOIA. Federal agencies (such as the Executive Office of the President and White House) should release records: (1) when they are “practically obscure,” so that a party would have reason to invoke FOIA to obtain them, and (2) when the nature of the records serves the public interest.

The only public interests cognizable under FOIA is shedding light on an executive officer’s competence or agency’s performance and its statutory duties. Additionally, the purpose of FOIA as well as the plain language of the Act create a strong presumption in favor of disclosure and place the burden on an agency to justify withholding any requested documents. Id. at 764-80; see also United States Dep’t of State v. Ray, 112 S. Ct. 541, 547 (1991).

Even if this Court were to consider that some of Obama’s personnel and medical records were exempt, FOIA requires an agency to release segregable, nonexempt portions of a partially exempt record. Environmental Protection Agency v. Mink, 410 U.S. 73, 91 (1973); see 5 U.S.C. § 552(b) (1988) (final sentence explicitly requires disclosure of any “reasonably segregable” nonexempt information).   The records requested by the Plaintiffs’ Complaint herein satisfy both of the Supreme Court’s guidelines favoring disclosure under FOIA.

As to the obscurity guideline, the names and titles of witnesses and attending physicians who supervised or assisted Barack Hussein Obama’s birth and the existence of any clouds on his constitutional qualifications to serve as President which might be held against him were “practically obscure,” so that the Plaintiffs could have obtained these records only through a FOIA request. In fact, it appears that the President has access to his birth records, and simply seeks to control the form, format, and timing of his presentation of evidence, without regard to possible significant differences which might exist between an original (type-or-handwritten from 1961) and a computer-generated abstract such as that which Defendant has proffered repeatedly through the Democratic National Committee and White House.

Accordingly, the Supreme Court’s Reporters Committee holding strongly suggests that FOIA imposed a duty on the Presidential Candidate and now de facto President to release the specifically requested form of the records on Obama.  As to the public interest guideline, releasing these records would enable the public to learn how and whether Barack Hussein Obama was constitutionally qualified to assume and exercise statutory duties as President.  Any action which is taken to maximize government transparency and enhance the confidence in the legitimacy of government is the public interest and the purpose for FOIA. Thus the records released sought by the Plaintiffs in the case at bar meet the public interest guideline articulated in Reporters Committee and should be disclosed under FOIA.  To withhold these records in violation of the guidelines set forth in Reporters Committee, Barack Hussein would have to justify his repeated action of stonewalling, and Plaintiffs submit that his default in this case is just part of an almost institutionalized pattern of stonewalling and refusing to answer complaints (see, e.g., Exhibit A: Arizona Complaint and Default). Consequently, FOIA mandates that Barack Hussein Obama release the records requested below, and the Plaintiffs’ request complies with the federal law in all respects: many citizens’ requests have been made, and all have been ignored without lawful justification.   The three plaintiffs in the present suit are uniquely situated in that they were either candidates or electors in the Presidential and Vice-Presidential elections of 2008, and they accordingly have unique standing and suffered unique damage as a result of the Defendant’s failure to disclose the information requested:

ITEMIZED LIST OF DOCUMENTS REQUESTED UNDER FOIA

          By the Defendant’s default, he has waived all right to claim exemptions from Plaintiffs’ repeated requests for documents, which were made in this and the prior California Superior Court (Sacramento) case (Exhibit B):

a.               All United States Passport records relating to Barack Hussein Obama including but not limited to any and all reports and findings of the Inspector General of the Department of Justice and/or the State Department investigation regarding allegations of unauthorized employee access to and tampering with Barack Hussein Obama’s passport records on at least three separate occasions in 2008, including but not limited to any information relating to about birth certificates or other indicia of citizenship used to prove Obama’s American citizenship status on his original American passport application and the date when Obama made that original application for an American passport;

b.              All DOJ (including FBI) records concerning Barack Hussein Obama:

c.               Obama’s authenticated original vault birth certificate, proving his age, date of birth and place of birth (this may be produced “in camera” so long as independent expert analyses of the ink, paper, and other indicia of authenticity are permitted);

d.              All such other transcriptions of testimony, letters, affidavits, depositions, declarations, and any other documents, recordings, photographs, computer records, and other evidence (“documentation” or “proof” hereafter) in the Defendant Barack Hussein Obama’s actual or constructive possession concerning proof of Defendant’s actual birthplace location and details regarding any and all Federal government information or investigations of any agency into Defendant;

e.               Documentation and proof relating to all aspects of Defendant’s residence and school registration in Indonesia, including but not limited to any and all documentation and proof relating to the alias or name “Barry Soetoro” and whether or not “Barry Soetoro” was a citizen of Indonesia;

f.                Proof (as defined and described above) including but not limited to all documentation on fixed or electronic media relating to or touching upon the question of whether Defendant Barack Hussein Obama legally changed his name from his adopted Indonesian name, Barry Soetoro, to Barack Hussein Obama and when his name was legally changed;

g.              Proof (as above) including but not limited to all documentation on fixed or electronic media relating to or touching upon the question whether Defendant Barack Hussein Obama became a repatriated American citizen after returning to the United States from Indonesia at age 10 including but not limited to the date of that repatriation;

h.              Proof (as above) relating to the question of whether Defendant became a naturalized US citizen and the date of that naturalization;

i.                All documents and proof of every kind (as above) constituting, relating to, or touching upon Defendant’s college, university, and law school records and transcripts of enrollment and attendance, including but not limited to the unredacted name (i.e. Obama, Soetoro, Dunham) and country of citizenship that Defendant used for registration as a college student and relating to or touching upon the question of whether Defendant registered as an American or foreign student;

j.                Documentation or proof relating to the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama (or any alias used by the Defendant) ever identified or held himself out to be a foreign exchange student under the name of Barry Soetoro from 1979 to 1981 and during any other time periods;

k.              Defendant’s Illinois State Bar application, membership records, and all other documents or proof relating to Defendant’s status as a licensed attorney;

l.                Defendant’s medical records and those of his mother from January 1, 1961, through the present day.

m.            Any and all documents and other proof, in whatever media recorded (fixed, electronic, analog or digital), including but not limited to the passport that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama used in 1981, relating to or touching upon any of Defendant’s travel abroad prior to 2000, including but not limited to his self-reported travel in 1981 to Pakistan;

n.              Any and all documents and other proof, including the passport that Defendant Obama used in 2006, relating to or touching upon any of Defendant’s travel abroad since 2000, including but not limited to his self-reported trip in 2006 to Kenya;

o.              Any and all documents and other proof in whatever media recorded relating to the question of whether a group called “Friends of Senator Barack Obama” or any similar name contributed to Kenyan political candidate Raila Odinga in 2006;

p.              Affidavits, statements, depositions, and all reports and other documents and proof relating to or touching upon the information gathered from or provided to any and all fact or expert witnesses concerning the forgery of Obama’s birth certificate as posted on various pro-Obama websites, including http://www.dailykos.com/, http://my.barackobama.com/, http://www.fightthesmears.com/, http://www.politifact.org/, and http://www.factcheck.org/;

q.              Any and all information in Defendant’s actual or constructive possession relating to or touch upon any of a list of some 140-odd addresses found on LEXIS-NEXIS and elsewhere as a matter of public record under the name of Barack Obama (and similar spellings) that were attached to some 35-odd social security numbers, including but not limited to one particular social security number that was used while Defendant was a law student at Harvard which was attached to his address in Sommerville, MA, having been issued to a (now deceased) person born in Connecticut 119 years ago;

r.                All documents or other proof relating to Selective Service System registration (”SSS Form 1″) associated with or completed by or in the name of the Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, regarding whether he ever registered for the Selective Service System

s.               Any and all other documents relating to or proof concerning any and all conflicting citizenship or residence records and/or reports regarding Defendant Barack Hussein Obama’s travels to Kenya and Indonesia,

t.                All documents and proof, including but not limited to documents showing the names and contact information for investigators or other witnesses, including but not limited to clerks and custodians of records, relating to or touching upon the investigations allegedly performed and findings on the information forwarded to the FBI about Defendant Barack Hussein Obama by the office of US Senator Lamar Alexander from Tennessee,

u.              All documents and proof (in electronic or stable media, digital or analog recordings, and all photocopies or photographs), including but not limited to names and contact information for investigators and other witnesses, including custodians of records, as well as results and findings of investigations performed regarding additional alleged inconsistencies touching upon or relating to the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which Defendant Barack Hussein Obama filed online including, but not limited to:

v.              Any and all documents or other proof relating to methods used by the US government to confirm the authenticity of the COLB and reasons for accepting this abbreviated, computer-generated, laser printed document as authentic proof of Obama’s birthplace and age instead of requiring an authenticated original vault birth certificate to prove a US President’s Constitutional eligibility;

w.             Any and all documents or other proof relating to governmental or non-governmental tests or investigations or inquiries conducted the authenticity confirmation for Obama’s COLB and processes used to compare its findings with those of the forensic document examiner experts who determined this COLB to be a forgery;

42 U.S.C. §1983 and 42 U.S.C. §1988(a)

          Plaintiffs submit and contend that the people have a civil right or series of rights, actionable in equity under 42 U.S.C. §1983, to demand that their elected officials prove their constitutional qualifications to hold office by clear-and-convincing evidence, and to petition for redress of grievances concerning well-founded doubts concerning their elected officials’ competence or eligibility for the offices which they seek or have obtained. 

Plaintiffs contend that there is Constitutional crisis as a result of their continuing uncertainty (and that of many others) concerning the constitutional qualifications of the commander in chief: to put it simply, if the people have no right under the Constitution to secure simple and enforceable rights, such as the right to have a natural born citizen as Commander-in-Chief, then it is obvious that the letter of the constitution is all but null and void.  This constitutional crisis, in turn, has major national security ramifications arising from the question of whether a constitutionally unqualified President can issue valid orders as a matter of International and Domestic law.  The spirit underlying this lawsuit is a continuing sense of frustrated urgency to uncover the truth so that the public can be fully informed about actual or alleged federal government activities to validate or cover up the President’s real biography and historic background.  These issues obviously affect possible questions about the government’s integrity as a whole, because if a deception has occurred, it will be quite impossible ever to conclude, in this conspiracy, that “Obama acted alone.” 

Plaintiffs further contend that the absence of a public means to challenge eligibility and qualifications to hold office, even after elections, constitute an injury to the substantive due process rights of the American public if the truth is not uncovered as soon as possible.  The Obama administration is moving at warp speed to accomplish its goals, but if Obama is ineligible to be a US president, everything that is being “accomplished” will be illegal.  Consequently, time is of the essence in uncovering the truth and the fact that final confirmation of “the truth” by clear and convincing evidence remains just out of reach nearly six full months after the inauguration is no cause to characterize or find this inquiry “moot.”

Within the meaning of 42 U.S.C. §1988(a), to the extent that this is a case where the laws of the United States are not suitable to protect and vindicate the civil rights of the people of the United States to demand and require their governmental officials to prove their constitutional qualifications, and to the extent that there are no laws or insufficient law suitable to carry these rights into effect or otherwise adapted to the object of proving elected officials’ qualifications, then this Court is empowered by 42 U.S.C. §1988(a) to extend the common and statutory law of the United States in a manner consistent with the Constitution to provide for the trial (or after default, summary disposition without trial) and disposition of this cause and, if crimes are found, to ensure the infliction of punishment on the guilty parties.

By his default, Barack Hussein Obama has waived any objection or answer he might otherwise have had to the utilization of 42 U.S.C. §1988(a) to extend the common and statutory laws of the United States in a manner so as to require proof of his constitutional eligibility.  Within the meaning of Rule 55(b)(2)(A), (C), and (D) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure relating to entry of Final Judgment by Default, this Court has the power to conduct hearings or make referrals to determine the exact contours of such extension of common and statutory laws consistent with the constitution in order to (A) conduct an accounting of Barack Hussein Obama’s conduct as a candidate for President of the United States, (C) establish the truth of Defendant’s qualification or lack of qualification to serve as President by clear-and-convincing evidence, and (D) to investigate all other matters related to Count I of Plaintiffs’ Complaint and Defendant’s default thereon.

Plaintiffs suggest that, in the post-default environment, and prior to or after entry of final judgment, this Court has the power to order Barack Hussein Obama to appear and show cause why Default Judgment should not be upheld (or entered) against him, as well as to order the “interested” U.S. Attorneys’ to justify and prove their standing to appear in this case, either in a representative or “active party” capacity (e.g. as interveners, Amici Curiae, or as representatives of identified interveners or Friends of the Court etc.).   Plaintiffs propose a 60 day period during which mandatory post-default discovery and/or mediation should be allowed to take place, limited only by the scope of any proposed or actually entered default judgment which may be rendered in this case.

Plaintiffs reemphasize that they seek relief against Barack Hussein Obama only in regard to his conduct occurring or issues accruing prior to his inauguration on January 20, 2009.  Plaintiffs’ FOIA and 1983 actions concern only conduct and actions conducted under color of law by Obama as a private individual running for President of the United States, i.e., his “personnel” file, insofar as this reflects on his qualifications to hold and authority to “faithfully execute” the office of President of the United States.

PRAYER FOR RELIEF

For all of the above-and-foregoing reasons, Plaintiffs pray that this court will enter final judgment by default against Defendant Barack Hussein Obama pursuant both to 5 U.S.C §552 and 42 U.S.C. §§1983, 1988(a). 

This Court should issue an order to Barack Hussein Obama to show cause why the full measure of relief requested by the Plaintiffs in this case should not be granted, and should in particular order a 60 day period of post-default discovery and mediation so that the contours of the final judgment under 42 U.S.C. §1988(a), including the extension or modification of common and statutory law to protect the civil rights of the people of the United States to demand clear-and-convincing evidence of the constitutional qualifications, eligibility, and competence of their elected (as well as their non-elected) officials, representatives, and executive agents.

 

                                                  Respectfully submitted,

Sunday, July 12, 2009

                                                            By:________________________________

                                                            Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. (SBN 223433)

                                                            Attorney for the Plaintiffs

                                                            26302 La Paz, Suite 211

                                                            Mission Viejo, California 92691

 

                                                            Telephone (949) 683-5411

                                                            E-Mail: dr_taitz@yahoo.com


PROOF OF SERVICE

          I the undersigned Charles Edward Lincoln, being over the age of 18 and not a party to this case, so hereby declare under penalty of perjury that on this Sunday July 12, 2009, I provided facsimile copies to all of the following non-party attorneys whose names were affixed to the “STATEMENT OF INTEREST” who have appeared in this case in accordance with the local rules of the Central District of California, to wit:

THOMAS P. O’BRIEN

LEON W. WEIDMAN

ROGER E. WEST

DAVID A. DeJUTE

FACSIMILE (213) 894-7819

          DONE AND EXECUTED ON THIS 12th day of July, 2009

 

 

 

 

Charles Edward Lincoln


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exhibit A:

Parallel Default

By

Barack Hussein Obama

In Arizona District Court Proceedings


 

 

 

 

 

Exhibit B:

Judicial Estoppel

In prior Litigation by

Alan Keys involving

U.S.Attorneys for the

Eastern District of California

 

 


388 posted on 07/14/2009 10:28:55 AM PDT by Danae (Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Munz

Taking her recent past as guide, it is likely that Dr. Taitz has been too enthusiastic in her characterization of what the Judge said in the hearing. He was basically allowing the U.S. Attorney for the area to receive the serving on the case that was misinterpreted back in January when the pres__ent was initially served. Orly may have heard more than was said, reading between the lines so to speak. But you have to applaud her tenacity in continuing to pound this issue! ... If you believe the Constitution needs to be enforced at this late hour.


389 posted on 07/14/2009 10:34:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: freebird5850

If any other past Presidents had an ALIAS the media would be ALL OVER it.

Barry Soetoro.


390 posted on 07/14/2009 10:35:18 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

If he ever gets a library there will be nothing in it. There is no record of him.


391 posted on 07/14/2009 10:37:30 AM PDT by Boardwalk (W)
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To: cynwoody

>Who will remove Obama if he can’t prove his birth as an American citizen? He would have to be impeached, something the RATS would never do.

Bingo!

Even if it turns out he really was born in Kenya, far from impeaching him, the ‘Rats will simply rewrite the law to redefine him eligible.<

They can try, but it won;t fly at this point.
they don’t have the support after they have wasted trillions of dollars and the administrations policy approval is in the dumpster.

They would be terrified of the ramifications in 2010. Nope, he will step down quietly, while his minions aka ACORN stir the pot.


392 posted on 07/14/2009 10:38:15 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: patriot08

>Why do I get the feeling that some of our ‘conservatives’
here are hoping Dr. Orly fails?<

I don’t know if they are hoping she fails. but i myself hope she wins, that obama is shown to be the fraud we all know he is and disgraced.

I think that people are just trying hard to keep their hopes from getting too high and being crashed to the ground.


393 posted on 07/14/2009 10:40:02 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

>But what you are all forgetting is that the District Court Ruling, whatever it ism, can be overturned by the Circuit Court on appeal, and we all know how that has worked in the past. It would go to the USSC, and even if they took the case, Sotomayor will be voting for the minority party litigant.<

sadly your so right ...
as much as I want to see him disgraced for the pos that he is once and for all, i am myself afraid to get my hopes up.
Still it is good news and something that can not be denied now.

Obama has done a lot in the past week, from scrubbing his fight the smears web site, the wayback machine and his letter to the hospital that he was supposedly born in.

I think he is a bit nervous over this. he can’t handle a decision against him now, his political clout on the hill would be diminished greatly. His socialist agenda of health care, tax and cap would go in the toilet


394 posted on 07/14/2009 10:43:08 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: greeneyes

>If the O is found to be ineligible, the Dems will just pass legislation to change the law, and then make it retroactive, but at least people will know the truth.<

they would have to amend the constitution. who will sign it Obama?

can’t happen.


395 posted on 07/14/2009 10:45:07 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: John Valentine

>He needs only be escorted out by the US Marshalls, or Secret Service, acting under Court Order.<

correct the Marshalls enforce the court order.
the military would be directed by the court not to obey his orders as he is no longer the CIC.


396 posted on 07/14/2009 10:47:21 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Munz

If they let it slide, the next foreign born to seek the presidency would be able to run for President and be POTUS. We should run someone who is foreign born in the next election so that it can all come out.


397 posted on 07/14/2009 10:48:34 AM PDT by Boardwalk (W)
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To: FARS

>The only thing now in teh way is Obama’s first Executive Order as President which was to order all his personal papers sealed from being viewed by anyone.<

true, but her suit was filed before he took office.
Good question, but I do not think that he can keep the documents under seal prior to that. The court could determine without little argument that the order was to cover his activity.
It is an argument though and one that may very well come up.
lets hope that the court has the power to overturn the executive order.


398 posted on 07/14/2009 10:49:39 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Boardwalk
If he ever gets a library there will be nothing in it. There is no record of him.

ROTFLMAO.... What? And save money? NO! Say it isn't so? LOL...

399 posted on 07/14/2009 10:52:25 AM PDT by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: cynwoody

> Two points:

1. The Constitution doesn’t define “natural born”. So, Congress can simply rewrite the law to cure any problem a Kenyan birth would present.
2. At this point in time, enforcement of eligibility is up to Congress. A majority of the House and two thirds of the Senate. Not gonna happen absent a tremendous uproar across the land. <

I respectfully disagree with some of what you say.
Congress can not simply rewrite any laws pertaining to this. they would need a signature by ... Obama. Can’t happen. Plus they can’t just add to the constitution without a lot of attention. ratification is serious and it can’t just happen so easy.
Enforcement of the eligibility is passed when they did confirmation hearings which really hurts Obama. Mccaion was only eligible after the hearing because both his parents were US citizens. According to Obama his father was not.

The judge would have the power to order his removal, not congress. They are out of the loop now after they agreed to accept him.
This is a challenge to that very issue.


400 posted on 07/14/2009 10:53:49 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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