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Investigator casts doubt on Obama's birth residence
WND ^ | December 16, 2008 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:58:12 PM PDT by ckilmer

A private investigator has released to WND an affidavit that casts doubt on whether Barack Obama's family lived at the address listed in the published notice of his birth in 1961.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: birth; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; corsi; eligibility; fraud; hawaii; inelgible; kenya; obama; obamafiles; obamanoncitizenissue; signthepetition; usurper; worldnetdaily; worldnutdaily
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To: luvEastTenn
Why the paperwork lock down? That's impossible to say for certain, but I suspect we would find that he was an empty suit well before holding his first public office.
242 posted on 07/06/2009 1:06:50 AM PDT by Red Dog #1
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To: 19D

During the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, marauding gangs of black youths decided to drive out of their neighborhoods and burn nice office buildings in the surrounding suburbs. Destruction of prime real estate buildings racked up insurance claims into the billions. This strategy was probably encouraged by black community organizers to hit the system back for letting the LA cops off the hook over the beating trial. This factor played a role in the trial of the black teenager rioters for their beating of an innocent white truck driver caught on heliopter video. The trial was strange because the judge made several strange rulings during the trial that let the black teenagers off on a lesser charge than attempted murder. My buddies in LA basicly informed me that the local government was pressured by the insurance companies that they did not want another round of rioting that already cost them plenty in property claims. Rule of thumb in riots (I have lived thru two in 1960’s). It takes about 72 hours for the authorities to take full control assuming timely decisions are made. A lot of damage can be done in that time frame. LA took about five days before the NG and Fed troops entered the city.


243 posted on 07/06/2009 3:32:33 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: FreeAlaska32
If Barry’s mother is an American citizen isn’t Barry automatically a citizen

Yes. But, he's not a "natural born" citizen.

Two US citizen parents and born in the mainland US.

"At birth," Obama was a citizen of Kenya and a subject of Great Britain. He published this fact on his campaign website.


244 posted on 07/06/2009 3:53:18 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: FreeAlaska32
If Barry’s mother is an American citizen isn’t Barry automatically a citizen

Yes. But, he's not a "natural born" citizen.

Two US citizen parents and born in the mainland US.

"At birth," Obama was a citizen of Kenya and a subject of Great Britain. He admits to this fact on his campaign website.


245 posted on 07/06/2009 4:18:18 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: FreeAlaska32
By your logic anyone born on US soil but to a foreign father is not a natural born citizen.

It has nothing to do with Vendome's "logic."

It has to do with existing caselaw.

Natural Born Citizen -- The Law


246 posted on 07/06/2009 4:24:00 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: FreeAlaska32
Are those children eligible to run for POTUS?

They can run but they can't serve.
247 posted on 07/06/2009 4:25:32 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: cynwoody

) fraudulently inserted by Grandma Dunham in order to ensure her grandson would be eligible to be president.

Well not to be president but rather to be a citizen.

It seems to me that if you were going to fabricate a birth announcement, you would pick one of the addresses more frequently cited for the Obamas.

seems reasonable to me too. However, if this stuff were strictly on the up and up— why not then just release the original long form birth certificate.

the worst it could would be to show that obama’s kenyan dad is not really his dad but rather — the family friend. but in that instance the case is closed. obama is a natural born citizen.


248 posted on 07/06/2009 4:27:48 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: nufsed
However, the answer is always that you don't denounce your US citizenship. If he was natural born he will always have US citizenship.

If Obama was adopted he became an Indonesian citizen. According to the US Code, he would have had to "assert" his US citizenship within six months of his 18th birthday.
249 posted on 07/06/2009 4:28:49 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: urtax$@work

Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present. Mrs. Arakaki said that Obama, his ‘mama,’ and his ‘papa’ never lived there. Arakaki told investigators that she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.


250 posted on 07/06/2009 4:31:46 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: imahawk
Here's Sun Yat Sen's Hawaiin Certificate of Hawaiian Birth -- Sun Yat-sen was born on November 12, 1866, to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, Xiangshan county , Guangzhou prefecture, Guangdong province (26 km or 16 miles north of Macau), not Hawaii, as this document affirms.

251 posted on 07/06/2009 4:35:22 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: FreeAlaska32
I can make a great case for the shenanigans around the cover up around the birth certificate, but I really don’t have a good comeback for the following: If Barry’s mother is an american citizen isn’t Barry automatically a citizen, eligible for the presidency regardless of where he is born? In other words, if you are born overseas of an american citizen, is that sufficient or do you also have to not only be born of an american citizen but also born on US soil?

No.

There is an excellent brief posted in July of last year which sets out a detailed analysis of the citizenship law. Our Citizenship statutes are clear and specific describing the circumstances under which a person born outside the US acquires citizenship at birth. Under the law in effect at the date of his birth, in order to pass citizenship at birth, his mother needed to have resided in the US for more than a specified number of years of which four needed to be after she had reached the age of 16. Since she was not 20 when he was born, by definition, she could not have met the statutory test.

The statute was amended in 1984 to reduce the after age limit however the modification was specifically effective only as to persons born after November, 1984, and was thus not applicable to Obama.

No argument. He clearly flunks the "citizen when he came down the shute" test.

Further, that is not dispositive of the issue. Even if he had been a citizen when born, that still would not meet the constitutional test.

The "natural born citizen" test was incorporated from an English common law concept of "natural born subject". Point is that when a person is born, they are subject to the law of the sovereign of the place they are born who has the legal power under applicable international law to control what they can do after they are born.

Drafters of our Constitution were unwilling to permit a person to act as chief executive of the US under circumstances where they were technically subject to the rule of a foreign power. Thus the purpose of the "natural born" clause was to require that only those persons subject to the sovereignty of the US from birth would be eligible.

For example, it was generally argued by Constitutional Lawyers in the U S in 1964 that Goldwater was eligible even though he was not born in the territory incorporated in the states of the US because the territory of Arizona was always subject to sovereignty of the U S and was subsequently incorporated into the state. That analysis was never tested and many DC lawyers continued to argue until it was clear that Goldwater would not be elected, that if he were elected, his position would be subject to challenge under the "natural born" test even though Arizona was subsequently included in the Union.

252 posted on 07/06/2009 6:24:21 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: Beckwith

Even if he was born in Hawaii?


253 posted on 07/06/2009 6:31:51 AM PDT by nufsed (. Stay away and I'll stay here. What else needs to be siad?)
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To: F15Eagle; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...
Yes. The way that the Presidency has been defined, in practice, established the precedent of a child born on US soil to two US parents. People who disagree with this definition cite cases like Grover Cleveland whose father's place of birth was contested - however, that argument only strengthens the interpretation of the law itself, because people assumed that he was born in the US to two US citizens.

However, and here's the point that the liberal defenders of Obama miss, vis-a-vis this NBC interpretation, people who act in a suspicious way bring upon themselves further investigation. the liberals ALWAYS, and I do mean ALWAYS, ignore the present by referring only to the past under the time-honored tradition of “two wrongs make a right.”

For them, it does not matter if Obama did X because Bush did Y, thereby negating X. This is exactly their twisted logic. The reason why we are “picking on Obama” with respect to his eligibility is that he, AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, brought it upon himself by claiming to be open, straightforward, and transparent but whose actions, with respect to his identity, are the most secretive, suspicious, and downright duplicitous behaviors ever exhibited by a Presidential candidate, and now a sitting President, in the history of America.

It's like what happens when a Muslim boards a jetliner prior to takeoff, and then engages in very suspicious behavior. If he's then escorted off the plane by an air marshall, we'll be sure to hear groups like CAIR screaming, “Racial profiling” and “Islamophobia.”

We have a totally different scenario with President Obama because there are dozens of other factors, beyond the NBC issue, that should have kept him from ever being a Presidential candidate, let alone serving as President.

His Presidency was predicated on a mountain of deceit and treachery, the likes of which have never been witnessed - compared to this, Tammany Hall and Boss Tweed look like Mayberry RFD and Barney Fife.

254 posted on 07/06/2009 6:44:29 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: Polarik

people who act in a suspicious way bring upon themselves further investigation.

Exactly.

Try telling a cop something stupid and see how many more questions you get and how many are repeats having no construct to a logical conversation.

It ain’t the big things that make people question you it/s all those little things that are not consistent with reality or life that cause suspicion.

How’s my tag line?


255 posted on 07/06/2009 8:10:53 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Beckwith; Fee
Additionally, if Barry Soetoro applied for and received an Indonesian passport using his Indonesian citizenship and/or applied for college aide as a foreign student then he has shown/proven divided loyalties.

Divided loyalties appears to be the focus of the founders when requiring a President be a natural born citizen as they understood that term to mean in their day. Hence the need for an honest SCOTUS ruling on the Constitutional term 'natural born citizen'.

The smell of this affirmative action fraud is not quite as bad as that arising from judges and congress critters refusing to uphold their oath to OUR CONSTITUTION because of black community organizing extortion. [I agree with you, Fee, this smacks of cowardice and manipulation by massive business interests.]

256 posted on 07/06/2009 8:13:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: beelzepug
“The WND article says the owners of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge.”

I'm guessing the Laforges didn't see anything...


257 posted on 07/06/2009 8:19:27 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Texas Fossil

I have a similar theory, but basically what it boils down to is that BHO is a fraud and must be hiding something that would show he is not qualified to be POTUS.


258 posted on 07/06/2009 9:22:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: smokingfrog
BHO is a fraud

Yes, a fraud, a liar, a Commie and a Traitor.

259 posted on 07/06/2009 9:32:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: nufsed
It doesn't matter where Obama was born.

He only has one US citizen parent, and there's some question whether Anna Dunham could convey citizenship because of her age.

Also, and I didn't focus on this part of your post before:

If he was natural born he will always have US citizenship.

You are conflating two issues -- you can be a citizen and not be a "natural born" citizen. Check out this chart:

Natural Born Citizen -- The Law


260 posted on 07/06/2009 10:25:51 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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