Posted on 04/17/2009 10:17:26 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
And they are giving Mansourian President credit for the save. The question one must ask oneself is, who was Hussein secretly rooting for in this stand off? President Obama Restricted Navy SEALs From Rescuing Ship Captain With Force (hat tip Larwyn)
Now this is interesting if true, and not surprising in the least. (h/t Ex-Liberal In Hollywood)
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:
1. BHO wouldnt authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldnt do anything unless the hostages life was in imminent danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams.
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his daring and decisive behaviour. As usual with him, its BS.
So per our last email thread, Im downgrading Oohbabys performace to D-. Only reason its not an F is that the hostage survived.
Read the following accurate account.
Philips first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadnt worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his countrys Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors and none was taken.
The guidance from National Command Authority the president of the United States, Barack Obama had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostages life was in clear, extreme danger.
The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chiefs staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a peaceful solution would be acceptable.
After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided hed had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostages life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer unnamed in all media reports to date decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips back was a threat to the hostages life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.
Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.
There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterdays dramatic rescue of an American hostage.
Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced presidents toughness and decisiveness.
Despite the Obama administrations (and its sycophants) attempt to spin yesterdays success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
Shocking! Not
I will be pleased if the merchant marine seamen who chased the pirates off their ship are not prosecuted for being too mean. You know, that kind of behavior is called assault. And if they took the pirates guns from them, then they were armed merchant men, in violation of the rules.
*snip*
Poppycock. Seems that four days of no action speaks for itself. As I indicated before on Friday night when Captain Philips lept into the water, the Navy could not respond as it had no direct authority to do so. One would think that the Captain was at that point in mortal danger, yet because there was no clear order given no rescue was attempted. The Navy
Over at Redstate, poster Caleb writes:
Playing pansy politics with pirates put the Captains life at increased risk. His first escape attempt was thwarted by the thugs as Phillips remained adrift from the aid and cover of the US Navy, which sat restrained by an administration too cowardly to let slip the dogs of war. Each day the tension and humiliation of a nation grew. The emboldened pirates fired upon our men of action, who thus restrained could not yet act in kind.
The terrorists defiant lack of fear inspired their fellows to target other American vessels. All while the community organizer in chief flipped through his conflict resolution handbook.
But here, at long last, the captive captain is free. He leapt clear and our faithful Navy, apparently at last free to take the safety off, rid the world of three contemptible degenerates and have the fourth in custody to question. So the bold leap into the sea frees the President of the burden to act.
In the end, Captain Phillips wasnt saved by the President, but by his own courageous plunge and the deadly professionalism of our men with guns. The President, you see, was saved by the Captain.
The Washington Post can try all the damage control it desires, the fact is that there was an unnecessary and dangerous delay to the situation and that means that Obama in his first test gets an F.
http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2009/04/13/msm-begins-damage-control-for-obama/
Can we try him for treason, now?
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I am surprised they gave this information out. Isn’t it classified? I find it interesting but just hope that NCIS does not come knocking on his door.
All I know is that there should have been roughly 3 or so briefings to TOTUSII- one from the Navy to the White House at the start of the kidnapping, another the next morning, and a press release.
Bobo the clown recklessly put that Captain in danger, along with causing our ships to sit out there like sitting ducks, and encouraging the pirates to bring out more boats with human shields.
Do you really think the Seals wouldn't have lit up that lifeboat when Captain Philips dove off it? Or that Philips hid his actions from the Navy? Or do you think they - along with the other crews were all off watch and no one noticed?
And yes, he is taking full credit for the ops and saving Philips life, and the media has hailed it as proof of his ability and credentials to lead his men into a situation room....and use the whole roll w/o replacing it while he's there.
Our Navy guys could have solved his is a few hours. They should not have to seek presidential authority to do so.
That is plain wrong!
Its disturbing becaise it shows thet the ROE on pirates are essentially flawed, and its through restrictive ROE that effing lefty idiots like Obama make our soldiers suffer immensely.
BTTT
Why am I not surprised. Sort of like Lyndon Johnson’s “combat experience” in WW II, where he flew on training mission over safe terrain.
Normally in an event like this Captain Phillips would be the news prize of the week, all of the MSM would be doing interviews of him and parading him around for ratings.
But I have not seen hardly any exposure of him, nor have I heard his story from his lips.
Has he been placed under a gag order? In the name of Homeland Security, or to not degrade the decision making capability of the POTUS?
I cursedwhy there weren’t eyes and action taken when the Captain went into the water. This is a plausible explanation.
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Tuesday Afternoon Roundup - The Appeasement Caravan Continues Along
(Due to the final days of Pesach\Passover, this will be the final blog update until Thursday night. No new posts will appear until then and no new comments will be moderated)
We’ve just concluded the drama of the showdown between the Navy Seals and the Somali pirates, despite that the lead story in the news has somehow been Obama’s dog, reminding us that we’re living in a country dominated by a media churning out a constant tide of “Beloved Leader” stories regardless of what else is going on in the world. And when the polls on the “Beloved Leader” don’t go their way, they just massage the numbers enough so that they can proclaim that Hussein is more popular than ever.
Mr. Obama’s overall approval rating, meanwhile, has hit a new high of 66 percent, up from 64 percent last month. His disapproval rating stands at 24 percent boasted a press release from either CBS News or the Obama campaign, which is a difference without distinction.
In other words it appears The New York Times and CBS News cooked the poll numbers until they produced enough people who agreed with the opinions of their reporters about Obama.
Caddell says: the original raw sample already showed a partisan difference of 8.5 percent but when weighting or adjusting the numbers the partisan gap went over 16 points. In effect what they did was reduce the Republicans in the sample by 13 percent and increased the number of Democrats by 12 percent. Particularly strange was the number of Independent voters was only changed 2 percent.
Caddell accuses the Times and CBS of being guilty of either one of two things: It is either terrible methodology or the Bernie Madoff school of polling. Small demographic adjustments are ordinary, but these extremes are unprecedented.
Meanwhile the media continues concealing the religion of the pirates... but now and then it slips through. Along with the Islamic value system behind the pirates’ actions. And their view of human life. Particularly non-Muslim life.
Sometime Thursday, a desperate Phillips jumped from the lifeboat in an attempt to swim to the USS Bainbridge, only to be hauled back on board after the pirates opened fire. From then on, Phillips was tied up.
One pirate radioed the Navy destroyer and demanded to know how far they were from the sanctuary of Somalia’s coast.
“Very far,” came the reply from the Bainbridge.
“Thank you,” the pirate negotiator responded, according to a U.S. military timeline, his politeness masking menace. “If we cannot [reach the] Somali coast, we will kill the infidel.”...
Not the hostage. Not the prisoner. Not even the American. The infidel. Kufar. A man whose life under Islamic law belongs to his captors, who may be seized and held for ransom. Unlike a fellow Muslim.
All the while Obama continues rolling the appeasement caravan through the desert. A close look at his Grand Tour seems to show that his chief priority is not any kind of American agenda, let alone a war on terrorism, heaven forfend, but protecting and promoting Islam.
On the heels of bowing to the Saudi king, pressuring NATO into giving Turkish Generals top positions, forcing the Danish Prime minister to apologize for his country’s free speech, playing up to Iran and urging the EU to welcome in the Turkish hordes... Obama just keeps going and going.
In Athens, the topic was what else... but Muslim rights.
The US President Barack Obama asked from Athens to recognize the Muslim minority in Greek Thrace. This is what he said on his 10 minute meeting with the Ecumenical Patriarch Vartolomei in Istanbul. The patriarch asked the US president to open the Theological school in Halki and Barack Obama said that this will happen only if Athens undertakes analogical steps regarding the Muslim minority in Thrace.
According to information from the Greek media, the American President told Vartolomei that just the way that the Theological school in Halki teaches orthodox priests in a Muslim country, Greece needs to have schools, which will teach Muslims and other religions. Barack Obama also supported the Muslim appeal from North Greece to choose their own Mufti and not for it to be given to them by the
Now this isn’t even simply a question of civil rights. Creating an independent Islamic religious framework in Turkey means giving the Saudis free range to set up their own radical mosques and preachers that will naturally promote Jihad.
That’s why European nations including France have been backing away from an independent Islamic infrastructure. Meanwhile Obama is bullying Greece into giving Islamic extremism a foothold in its own country.
Sure Barry Hussein’s a Christian. As much as I’m a Buddhist. Had the Islamists picked America’s policies, they’d be exactly Obama’s policies. And just to pile some more sickles and stars on the cake... the US will be providing UAV’s to Lebanon.
The pretext is to strengthen Lebanon’s army, but the practical use of such aircraft would not do anything to strengthen the military domestically, but would provide equalization in a third conflict with Israel.
Meanwhile via Boker Tov Boulder, Atlas suggests that US participation in Durban is back on.
This is entirely plausible, as under the table the Obama admin promised Jewish leaders that if they kept their mouths shut on the US rejoining the Islamic charade of a UN Human Rights Council, Durban II would be a no go. Now unsurprisingly they’re likely to find out that you can’t trust a liar, and that both Durban II and the UNHRC are a go.
Senior U.S. officials in Washington and New York are leaning in favor of participating in the “Durban 2” UN-sponsored anti-racism conference scheduled to take place on April 20 in Geneva, diplomatic sources said on Sunday.
The diplomats, who share a close working relationship with the American delegation to the United Nations, informed leading Jewish officials in New York that Washington has increasingly become convinced of the need to dispatch representatives to the conference.
This is all part of the same card game, dealing from the bottom of the deck, and stringing along Jewish groups hoping for some sign of pity or fair dealing, only to wind up cheated and lied to again and again.
Across the blogsphere, Doug Ross at Director Blue has your FairTax brochures in time for the Tea Party.
At Israpundit, Ted Belman writes that the Punjab is now in play.
Lemon Lime Moon takes on piracy for fun and profit
Debbie Schlussel takes a look at Pat Buchanan’s support for yet another Nazi.
Solstice Witch brings word on Operation Rooster
Via Dragon Dirt, Sharpton has picked up the meme I wrote about this week, calling the pirates of Somalia, a “Voluntary Coast Guard”.
Via Islamic Danger to Americans, an article at Citizen Warrior asking whether it’s time to defang Islam.
And at the Fox Forum blogs, the American Legion responds to the Obama Administration’s politicized scapegoating of veterans.
Looks like someone already posted it.
Big thanks for the ping!
Chants at the Sacramento Tea Party:
“Vote Them Out”
That means all the sorry incumbents. They would be wise to see the handwriting on the Congressional walls. Zero will be alone in 2010.
Don't hold your breath. It's not as if Ubama is a Republican.
re: 42
An understatement.
Hussein not only gets an F, he is an “F-—!”
I said on the other thread that although we don't have confirmation of this version, and never will with this president and this press, it's exactly the scenario I had deduced from the various fragmentary reports over the 4 days. It is only too probable.
Now, I'll add that you are definitely on to something. I never watch the TV news, but isn't it really STRANGE that the press has made practically nothing of this whole story? Pirates, southern seas, first American hostage captured by pirates in 200 years, a firefight, three pirates killed, heroic captain rescued--and all the news media virtually IGNORE this entire story in favor of Obama's new dog, Bo?
It's certainly a case of the dog that didn't bark. Biggest story of Obama's presidency, and they say only a few words. "Gee, thanks, Obama, for saving this situation as only you could do. And now for something really interesting."
I think he needs to be expelled!
Understatement of the day.
But it will get worse, way before it starts to get better.
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