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The Anti-Psychotic Myth Exposed?
Psychminded.com ^ | 4/2/08 | Adam James

Posted on 01/29/2009 6:14:20 PM PST by bdeaner

Anti-psychotics are not effective long-term, shrink the brain and almost triple the risk of dying early, a London NHS psychiatrist and academic has written in a new book. Isn't it about time for a deep examination of the validity of such drugs asks Adam James?

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Christian was slouched in a chair in Bradford psychiatric unit. He was, seemingly, only half-conscious, half alive. He could hardly speak, let alone raise his head.

Christian had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Two days before, in a haze of paranoia, he had punched a colleague of mine at a day centre. So Christian was sectioned and medicated, heavily, with neuroleptics. Most, on seeing Christian would have described him as being so whacked out he was a dribbling wreck. Treatment-advisory body, the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) would say the neuroleptics had successfully “calmed” Christian, in preparation for treating the “underlying psychiatric condition”.

Neuroleptics – such as Clozapine, Olanzapine, Risperidone and Seroquel – are the “primary treatment” for psychosis, particularly schizophrenia. Indeed, 98-100 per cent of people diagnosed with schizophrenia inside our psychiatric units – and 90% living in the community – are on neuroleptics, also called anti-psychotics. “There is well established evidence for the efficacy of anti-psychotic drugs”, Nice told mental health professionals in its guidelines for the treatment of schizophrenia.

Nice claims a similar efficacy for the widely-prescribed SSRI anti-depressants in treating depression. Some researchers disagree. A recent widely-publicised meta-analysis asserted that SSRIs are no more clinically beneficial than placebo for mild and moderate depression. London NHS psychiatrist Joanna Moncrieff is one such dissenting researcher. But she has conducted a far wider examination of psychiatric drugs, and has endeavoured to expose the “myth” of anti-psychotics. She claims there is no sufficient evidence to support their long-term use and they cause brain damage, a fact which is being "fatally” overlooked. Plus, because of a cocktail of vicious side-effects, anti-psychotics almost triple a person’s risk of dying prematurely.

Moncrieff, also a senior lecturer at University College London, particularly strikes out at her own profession, psychiatry, claiming it is ignoring the negative evidence for anti-psychotics. In her book, The Myth of The Chemical Cure, Moncrieff argues the increasing prescribing of these drugs is unleashing an epidemic of drug-induced problems. She argues, effectively, that psychiatry is guilty of gross scientific misconduct.

Having scrutinised decades of clinical trials, Moncrieff's first point is that once variables such as placebo and drug withdrawal effects are accounted for, there is no concrete evidence for antipsychotic long-term effectiveness.Moncrieff’s interpretation of the relevant meta-analyses and trials is radically different to Nice which arrived at an opposite conclusion for antipsychotic effectiveness.

At the heart of dissent against psychiatry through the ages has been its use of drugs, particularly anti-psychotics, to treat distress. Do such drugs actually target any “psychiatric condition”. Or are they chemical control, a socially-useful reduction of the paranoid, deluded, distressed, bizarre and odd into semi-vegetative zombies? Historically, whatever dissenters thought has been largely ignored. So, it appears, have new studies which indicate anti-psychotics are not effective long-term. For example, a US study last year in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease reported that people diagnosed with schizophrenia and not taking anti-psychotics are more likely to recover than those on the drugs. The study was on 145 patients, and researchers reported that, after 15 years, 65 per cent of patients on anti-psychotics were psychotic, whereas only 28% of those not on medication were psychotic. An intriguing finding, surely? So what about the mainstream media headlines of “breakthrough in schizophrenia treatment”? Afterall, broadsheets react positively to the plethora of alleged genetic "breakthroughs" in schizophrenia, even when it comes to genetically-engineered schizophrenic mice. But there wasn't a squeak.

Interestingly, the researchers of the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease paper hypothesised that it was patients with "inner strength”, “better self esteem” and “inner resources” who were more likely to recover long-term without neuroleptics. However, not one peer-reviewed study examining the necessary individual characteristics and support networks to live through psychosis without drugs has, in the last 48 years, appeared in The British Journal of Psychiatry, the publication that each month drops through the letter box of every psychiatrist in the land.

The “psychological factors” of, for example, inner strength, are, perhaps more the terrain for clinical psychologists. Such as Rufus May who was compulsory treated with anti-psychotics when diagnosed with schizophrenia as an 18-year-old.

May argues withdrawal effects of anti-psychotics often get wrongly interpreted as “relapse”. So, he has launched a website advising people how safely to come off psychiatric drugs. Many patients, like May (who perhaps had the required "inner strength”), have successfully come off anti-psychotics and gone on to recover. The irony is that they frequently have had to do it behind the backs of their psychiatrists, who fear relapse.

Moncrieff’s second point is that the psychiatric establishment, underpinned by the pharmaceutical industry, has glossed over studies showing that anti-psychotics cause extensive damage, the most startling being permanent brain atrophy (brain shrinkage) and tardive dyskinesia. As in other neurological conditions patients suffer involuntary, repetitive movements, mental impairment, memory loss and behaviour changes. Brain scans show that anti-psychotics cause atrophy within a year, alerts Moncrieff. She accuses her colleagues of risking creating an “epidemic of iatrogenic brain damage”. Moncrieff is a hard-nosed scientist, so she is respectfully reserved. But her carefully-chosen words are still alarming. "It is as if the psychiatric community can not bear to acknowledge its own published findings,” she writes.

How worrying it is, also, that the Healthcare Commission should report last year that almost 40 per cent of people with psychosis are on levels of anti-psychotics exceeding recommended limits. Such levels cause heart attacks. Indeed the National Patient Safety Agency claims heart failure from anti-psychotics is a likely cause for some of the 40 average annual “unexplained” deaths of patients on British mental health wards. Other effects of anti-psychotics include massive weight gain (metabolic impairment) and increased risk of diabetes. Two years ago, The British Journal of Psychiatry - Britain’s most respected psychiatry journal - published a study reporting that people on anti-psychotics were 2.5 times likely to die prematurely. The researchers warned there was an “urgent need” to investigate whether this was due to anti-psychotics. But so engrained is the medication culture in mental health that many psychiatrists regard that not medicating early with anti-psychotics amounts to negligence, Moncrieff notes.

Moncrieff does acknowledge there is evidence for the short-term effectiveness of anti-psychotics. But again Moncrieff asks psychiatry to be honest. Moncrieff points out that when anti-psychotics, such as chlorpromazine, were first used in the fifties they were called “major tranquillisers.” Why? Because that’s an accurate description of their effect, particularly short term. They sedate, numb, or tranquillise, the emotions, so reducing the anxiety of paranoia and delusions. Any person on anti-psychotics would verify this (Go to askapatient.com). So, in this respect, they are effective. Nowadays, however, these drugs are referred to as “anti-psychotics”. For Moncrieff, this is a wheeze because there’s no evidence that anti-psychotics act directly on the “symptoms” – paranoia, delusions, hallucinations – of those diagnosed with psychosis. There’s nothing anti-psychotic about anti-psychotics.

Embedded in Moncrieff’s thesis is that, unlike other medical conditions, there is no evidence that psychiatric illnesses, including schizophrenia, are caused by physical abnormalities. As clinical psychologist Mary Boyle penned it, schizophrenia is a "scientific delusion” which drugs can never cure.

The alternatives? Moncrieff - like her fellow psychiatrists in a group called the Critical Psychiatry Network - asks services to look seriously at non-drug approaches, such as the Soteria Network in America. She believes psychiatrists such as herself should no longer have unparalleled powers to forcibly detain and treat patients with anti-psychotics. Instead, they should be “pharmaceutical advisers” engaging in “democratic drug treatment” with patients. Psychiatrists should be involved in “shared decision-making” with patients, and would have to go to civil courts to argue their case for compulsory treatment. "Psychiatry would be a more modest enterprise” writes Moncrieff, “no longer claiming to be able to alter the underlying course of psychological disturbance, but thereby avoiding some of the damage associated with the untrammeled use of imaginary chemical cures.”

Mental health policy is, it appears, swinging away from a reliance on antidepressants. Surely a deep re-examination of the true validity of anti-psychotics is also due?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: antipsychotic; mania; psychiatry; psychosis; ssris
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To: bdeaner
ad hominem ?

your entire presentation throughout has been ad hominem. That "BIG PHARMA" has poisoned brains in pursuit of profit, that MD's sticking pharmaceutical rep whores' sandwiches in their mouths with one hand have mindlessly written prescriptions with pharmaceutical -supplied pens with the other , etc. , etc. You bet I'm being ad hominem , you've chosen the weapon.

81 posted on 01/30/2009 5:42:03 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
Dementia praecox, an early name for schizophrenia

In a certain sense, this statement is true IF the statement simply means that something like schizophrenia, before there was a word for schizophrenia, was identified as dementia praecox.

But the statement, in the context in which you originally used it, was factually inaccurate IF it was to make the point that schizophrenia has a biological etiology, or that schizophrenia is exactly the same diagnostic category as dementia praecox.

You originally made this statement, as I recall, to refute my claim that the category of schizophrenia is an overly heterogenous diagnostic category. In that context, the statement fails to refute my claim. So, I will simply reassert the claim, standing on firm empirical grounds: schizophrenia is such a large category of such a wide variety of symptom formations, -- and considering the fact that schizophrenia is a diagnostic category based purely on description of symptoms and not underlying etiology, which remains unknown -- that it makes it nearly impossible to predict how treatments will effect individuals diagnosed with this disorder. Much reform is needed before psychiatry can make significant progress in this area.
82 posted on 01/30/2009 5:43:00 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: bdeaner
Describe to me where and how I minimize "the illness." read your own sentence, what a perfect example.
83 posted on 01/30/2009 5:43:50 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
, which published a review on akathisia:

now quote the part about the very high incidence with atypicals that you refer to, instead of apparently a case report of three. Also note the Clintonian escape parsing of "the closest thing to hell on earth," which is what I challenged you on, vs what you say now , "a hell on earth" which, although hyperbolic , I would not object to. Oh, sorry, I'm putting words in your mouth, your own.

84 posted on 01/30/2009 5:51:47 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
as I recall, to refute my claim that the category of schizophrenia is an overly heterogenous diagnostic category.

your recollection is faulty. I brought it up to point out that, in the pre-drug era, the illness (or "the illness" as you prefer) was characterized as a chronic, unremitting downhill course. Truthfully, I believe schizophrenics in their 60's and 70's who have been maintained on medications for the past several decades generally have a better outcome today.

85 posted on 01/30/2009 5:57:51 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
your entire presentation throughout has been ad hominem.

No, it hasn't. An ad hominem argument is when you attempt to refute a factual statement by attacking the character of the person delivering the message. If I call you arrogant in an attempt to refute a factual statement, that's ad hominem. It means to attack the man, not the message. Even if the attack is true -- maybe you really are arrogant, for example -- it still doesn't mean your facual statement is incorrect. The character of the person delivering the message does not change the factuality of the message. The message still needs to be refuted on its own grounds. So maybe you hate me -- fine, I don't care. But the facts are the facts are the facts...

The critique of the influence of big pharmaceutical companies on psychiatry is not an ad hominem. It's a point of fact, that can be easily verified. It can be verified, for example, by the large sums of money pharmaceutical companies spend attempting to sell their drugs to medical doctors, using tactics that maximize the benefits of the drugs, and minimize the side effects. Read about it for yourself here, for example.

And now the courts have agreed that it is criminal to sell drugs for off-label uses -- and Lilly is paying out $1.4 Billion to prove it. This is the largest fine ever paid by a pharmaceutical company. Why? Because it's not right to pay off doctors to prescribe drugs to populations that are highly likely to be damaged by them simply to make a profit. That's a moral statement. You can disagree with the morality of the issue -- and claim that this is an okay thing to do. But you can't dispute that this is what has been happening. The facts are the facts.


86 posted on 01/30/2009 5:59:10 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
Truthfully, I believe schizophrenics in their 60's and 70's who have been maintained on medications for the past several decades generally have a better outcome today.

Your opinion really means nothing to me. Where is the evidence? Everyone has their opinion. I don't listen to opinions. I listen to facts.
87 posted on 01/30/2009 6:02:14 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
read your own sentence, what a perfect example.

HAHAHA. That's the best you could do?

I was quoting you because I don't know what "illness" you are referring to. Schizophrenia? Dementia praecox? Bipolar disorder? etc We've disoussed a lot of mental disorders. Which one am I supposedly minimizing and how? How the heck is this minimizing anything? Geez.
88 posted on 01/30/2009 6:07:04 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
I thought you posted the article.

Yes, I posted the article but I didn't WRITE it. You can't attribute statements in the article to me. Attribute them to the article.
89 posted on 01/30/2009 6:11:36 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
now quote the part about the very high incidence with atypicals that you refer to, instead of apparently a case report of three.

I am happy to provide you with an abundance of references on the incidence of akathisia in patients treated with anti-psychotics. I posted the case reports to illustrate the fact that (a) akathisia is caused by anti-psychotics, which the article states in the abstract, and (b) the state of mind is described by one of the patients as a "living hell."

If you want a report on the incidence of akathisia among anti-psychotic users, there are many articles you can read. A recent article with 99 participants showed that an anti-psychotic used for 12 weeks caused extrapyramidal symptoms in 59.6% patients and 33.3% of those had akathisia. See: Nasrallah, H.A., Buecher, M., & Paulsson, B. (2006). Placebo-level incidence of extrapyramidal symptoms (EPS) with quetiapine in controlled studies of patients with bipolar mania. Bipolar Disorders, 8, 467-474.

For a recent general review of the research on the atypical antipsychotics, see Pierre, J.M. (2005). Extrapyramidal symptoms with atypical antipsychotics: Incidence, prevention and management. Drug Safety, 28(3), 191-208.

Also note the Clintonian escape parsing of "the closest thing to hell on earth," which is what I challenged you on, vs what you say now , "a hell on earth" which, although hyperbolic , I would not object to. Oh, sorry, I'm putting words in your mouth, your own.

Oh, please -- get a grip.
90 posted on 01/30/2009 6:37:49 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Tidbit

Thank you for finding that link, and for waiting for my tardy response. Very busy, and though late I’ll attempt to answer in a reasonable way.

My take on the article is that the anomaly is actually physical, and any chemistry is a result of physical differences in the brain. If such physical differences actually cause some kind of “psychological” symptoms, the problem is not a psychological (mental) one, it is a physiological (neurological) one. The whole point of psychology is to deal with so-called “mental” problems, not physiological ones.

I’d be delighted if there were some way to treat a neurological problem with drugs—it would even make sense. But there is no way to treat what psychology calls “mental” problems with drugs.

I have some experience with “chemical” imbalance effects, since I was on very high doses of steroids for a number of years which induce “steroid psychosis” and a form of diabetes. Fortunately all in the past, but I can testify, I was always aware of the difference between the “psychotic” induced feelings and reality, and, with pain, could always make the right choices.

Not sure how cogent I am at this hour, but thanks for the interesting responses.

Hank


91 posted on 01/30/2009 6:40:56 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: bdeaner
the poster himself admitted that he has committed himself to the mass genocide of Muslims. Read what the guy wrote.

You sir, are a G-dD-mn liar! Here is what I wrote: 'There are few, if any active Muslims willing to denounce the 9/11 attacks. On that day I pledged my life to doing what I could to exterminate all of those who took part in this attack, or gave their approval, even their silent approval. I still have a lot of murdering to do to accomplish this goal. If I ever finish I will get back to you.' Those I am determined to kill are those who took part in the 9/11 attacks, or approved of the attacks, silently or not. This would only mean the genocide of Muslims if they are were all a part of the support for the 9/11 attacks, which I doubt. You however are clearly allied with those who would de-legitimize any resistance to the Jihadists' efforts to eliminate non-Islamic civilization. In addition you don't mind lying about the facts. For this reason nothing that you have said can be given any credence whatsoever, so there is no point in discussing things further with a dishonest mortal enemy.

92 posted on 01/30/2009 11:05:26 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: bdeaner

excerpt the worthwhile part, when you find one.


93 posted on 01/31/2009 4:31:26 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner

post #54, totally independently of me, makes the very same point— your argument are propagandistic and bombastic, then when you’re confronted, you withdraw to the position of the wounded academic who is being pilloried for his superior knowledge.


94 posted on 01/31/2009 4:43:26 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
12 weeks caused extrapyramidal symptoms in 59.6% patients and 33.3% of those had akathisia.

significantly higher, outlandishly higher than the figures in the PDR. I can hear the bleating now, "Those are drug company numbers." Yes, with the imprimatur of the FDA whose standards you find golden when you want to use them. It appears that there is an entire Scientology influenced community like yourself in academia who grind out worthless commentary primarily as political propaganda.

95 posted on 01/31/2009 4:49:14 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
Oh, please -- get a grip.

you said what you said, you can pretend "words (or quotation marks) don't matter" all you want--the intent is obvious.

96 posted on 01/31/2009 5:09:21 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: bdeaner
because it's not right to pay off doctors to prescribe drugs to populations that are highly likely to be damaged by them simply to make a profit.

there you go again. A totally ad hominem embellishment of even what Lilly was fined for. They were fined for a marketing practice , not any result of having used the medication in an off-label manner. "Paying off doctors" -- clearly your high sense of morality pays the ninth commandment no heed.

97 posted on 01/31/2009 5:25:28 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
On that day I pledged my life to doing what I could to exterminate all of those who took part in this attack, or gave their approval, even their silent approval. I still have a lot of murdering to do to accomplish this goal.

This statement is, in my view, an endorsement of genocide. You are implying that anyone who did not speak out about the 9/11 attacks -- who gave "silent approval" -- deserves to be murdered. Muslims in particular. Genocide "refers to efforts to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group of people either entirely or a substantial portion thereof."

This attitude, to me, is morally repulsive.
98 posted on 01/31/2009 7:00:06 AM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
Eli Lilly was fined because, for years, Lilly has been influencing doctors to prescribe Zyprexa to treat disruptive children and tranquilize nursing home patients. The FDA has not approved the drug for children or the elderly and the side effects of the drug are significant: inducing heart failure and pneumonia in the elderly and increasing the risk of significant weight gain and diabetes in children.

Some of the tactics used by Eli Lilly to push Zyprexa sales beyond the drug's approved use were:

* During off-label lectures by physicians who were paid by Lilly (and had de facto agreed to promote the drug) and audio conferences for physicians Lilly sales people posed as persons in the audience who were interested in Zyprexa's expanded use and asked "planted questions;"

* While knowing the significant risk for weight gain posed by Zyprexa, Lilly minimized the connection between Zyprexa and weight gain in a widely disseminated videotape called "The Myth of Diabetes" which used "allegedly scientific studies of questionable integrity as well as the haphazard reporting of adverse events;"

* Providing evidence that, in the summer of 2003, Lilly management ordered the destruction of sales literature with misleading information, "core sales aids, flip charts and acetates;" and

* Promoting the sublingual version of Zyprexa, called "Zydis," by claiming that it did not have the same weight-gain effects as Zyprexa.
99 posted on 01/31/2009 7:12:38 AM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: gusopol3
you said what you said, you can pretend "words (or quotation marks) don't matter" all you want--the intent is obvious.

Come on. You know as well as I do that "living hell" is a figure of speech. I used this term because it is one of the most common descriptions given by those with akithisia. From a scientific perspective, there is no way to determine the relative comparison of existence in hell to the experience of akithisia. Hell is not an empirical datum--and according to many, doesn't exist at all. If you take the statement literally, you are missing the point.
100 posted on 01/31/2009 7:22:28 AM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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