Posted on 10/24/2008 7:54:01 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
Overview:
There are lawsuits being filed in multiple states. If Obama has nothing to hide, then his behavior is foolish both politically and cash-wise [legal fees] -- it would have been easy to end speculation by simply showing his birth certificate. Among the first to challenge his qualification to be president were the PUMAs. The most well reported lawsuit is by Berg, a Hillary supporter. One of the recent shockers is that Obama's Kenyan grandmother reportedly witnessed him born in Kenya. Another shocker is that Obama was, at least technically, Islamic while in Indonesia. There is also a flimsy paper trail regarding his visa and adoption in Indonesia. What documents were shown on the internet are discredited. And Factcheck.org is not a reliable source, having ties with Annenberg.
The political aspect: BO’s stonewalling makes the Birth Certificate Question alone reason enough for someone to conclude that voting for him would be irresponsible. As vigilant citizens, we are each required to vote Constitutionally. If we are not convinced that he qualifies Constitutionally, then we cannot vote for him. It’s an ‘honor thing’.
It’s not impartial enough because of Obama being on the board of Annenberg.Get your facts straight. Obama was never on "the board of Annenberg." He was on the board of the "Annenberg Challenge," which was a project of the Annenberg Foundation.
There is no connection between FactCheck.org and Obama. None. freespirited is correct: FactCheck.org may be judged on the merits of its record; this "Annenberg connection" theory is just plain bogus.
It is an Alinsky taught tactic to use the reputation of one or another (such as Annenberg was a friend of Ronald Reagan, so by some unassigned means the org cannot be mutated into a Marxist revolution tool ... wake up, America!) in order to inveigle the societal institutions and 'change' the larger society from the inside.
If you have not heard of the connections between Obama and Ayers, know that they have been involved for more than twenty years, even sharing an office at one time, also serving on decision making boards which doled out hundreds of millions of dollars, mostly with 'zero' advantage to the supposed trrageted institutions such as the Chicago School System.
If you really want to know the exctent to which Barack Obama has been groomed to the position he is now being aimed, do a bit of searching on the following names: Ken Rolling, Wade Rathke, Maxine Greene, Penny Pritzker, Khalid Abdullah Tariqu al-Mansour (aka Don Warden), Judson Miner, George Soros, and Weather Underground, not necessarily in that order. Michelle Obama has perhaps known Bill Ayers longer than Barack has. Look up the orgs named 'Public Allies', Arakansas Community Organizations for Reform Now, the DCP (Developing Communities Project), and the Gamaliel Foundation.
Barack Obama is a hard Marxist doing the thing he was taught in the Alinsky indoctrination schooling he took then later taught: Barack Obama is the ultimate cancer planted in the heart of our societal institutions, a man who not only studied Alinsky methodology, but has taught same and incorporated it into the teaching he did for ACORN and Public Allies. Obama has been working with Ayers since the eighties. Oh yeah, Billy Ayers is 'just a guy in Obama's neighborhood', and a close associate and team member. Folks, this man is extremely destructive for the future of the Republic, that's providing you even want a Republic ... the goal of Billy AYers, George Soros, and Barack Obama is to end the Republic and replace it with a managed society with Marxist like Obama at the top. And this is in fact what the Ayers and Obama work in the public education system has been aiming for, so now we have millions of kids raised in that rot who do not know there is a difference.
And where was this supposed ‘valid’ BC? No one but you has apparently seen it, n00bie. We don’t even know if he had to provide a valid COLB to run in the Illinois political races. Alan Keyes never challenged on this basis nor did the previous array of ruined political victims of Obama’s rise to power.
Assuming O wins the vote, his handlers have prepared for the citizenship argument and there are several possibilities.
One possibility is O will dramatically reveal that he has learned Frank Davis - an American citizen who was then otherwise married - is his father. No matter that Obama Sr. was also otherwise married, that was in another country; he was eligible to “marry” Anne. This possibility could also account for why a young O spent many years at Davis’ knee.
Under this theory the Obama family in Kenya who thought that baby - whose birth they witnessed was theirs - will take their place under the bus. It also could provide a reason for why he doesn’t send his shack-dwelling brother a few dollars now and then.
On April 30, 2008 the Senate unanimously passed a Resolution introduced by Leahy, Clinton, McCaskill, Coburn, Webb and Obama; flaming liberals all and each eager to see McCain as the Republican candidate. Obama certainly had a stake in the Resolution, but for another reason: it gives guidance for how the Congress should resolve whether O is qualified to serve as President.
The Resolution refers to the testimony of former federal judge Michael Chertoff: “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,”
A recital of Resolution provides: “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; …” It then goes on to resolve that McCain is a natural born citizen.
What level of proof will be necessary for O to establish his parentage? One legal writer claims “…the combination of the birth announcement in the Panamanian American plus the McCain birth certificate plus the memories of his 96-year-old mother persuades me that the senator was indeed born inside the Canal Zone.
If the matter goes to the USSC it will likely find the issue is clearly within the power of the Congress: In addition to the amendments cited elsewhere in this thread, one of the enumerated powers delegated to Congress is: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.”
What of the fact McCain was “ born in a military setting” and O was not? One well-placed writer provides: “…retired State Department types…say that McCain’s strongest argument that he is a natural-born citizen is that he was born abroad to two U.S. citizens. The fact that he was born on a U.S. military base or in the Panama Canal Zone is of secondary importance...”
No. I am NOT the only one that has seen it. Many have. There are photos on factcheck.org. And if you want to dismiss inconvenient facts out of hand, so be it. And I have yet to see where factcheck isn’t pretty damned accurate. They hammer everyone on facts and have proven to be quite accurate. Berg only focuses on the BC with the serial number blacked out and that doesn’t show the raised seal. And that is a problem on his end. Simply saying something on the order of “factcheck is biased” is not an argument. Everyone/everything is biased to some extent but factcheck has a pretty decent track record.
If this were an issue, Hillary’s people would have proved it.
And the burden is on Berg NOT Obama. Berg’s problem is not so much that he is a “conspiracy theorist” (I have no problem with CTs as, sometimes, they are correct), but that he becomes narrow of focus and doesn’t look at all the facts. A good lawyer doesn’t do that.
From what I have seen in the facts and pleadings I can find online, this argument is meritless and a waste of time when there are so many GOOD arguments.
And finally, given my age, I’ll take being called a n00bie as the highest of compliments. lol
Nice try ... the factcheck copies have been exposed as frauds. But you can be excused for not keeping up with the current goings on. Do a google, or just look for the FR thread which exposed the fraud.
Any chance you could respond with something other than “nice try”? No need to begin with an invective. I am just discussing an issue, not personally attacking you.
IF that is so, and I have Googled myself to death and haven’t found it, I would most appreciate a link, or links to those sources.
Thanks.
I’ll do a quick FR search for you ... bbl
Awesome. Thanks. =) No hurry, I’m here all day, and tomorrow, and the day after that . . . lol
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2097435/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2086586/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2063145/posts
BTW, when you toss an invective, expect to receive same: “And if you want to dismiss inconvenient facts out of hand, so be it.” That little slur is not far from ‘nice try noobie.’ But then you’ve been around the legal ‘profession’ most of your life, so perhaps you don’t even realize when you’re inserting invective.
Oh FGS! We're not even talking about the same entity. You are talking about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a temporary project that received a grant from the Annenberg Foundation.
I am talking about the Foundation, a legacy of Reagan friend Walter Annenberg.
The Foundation gives out money to all sorts of projects. I don't think you can say that because the Foundation has funded an arts project as well as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, that arts project is automatically suspect.
That was all I was trying to say. Obviously it was not clear because you thought I was talking about the Chicago Annenberg Challenge when I wasnt.
Hope this clears things up!
Using the keyword ‘certifiGate’ generates excellent links
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles
I just want McCain to win. I want Obama to loose.
I want to see OPRAH’s face after she had spent all that money on his victory celebration. I want to see the newscasters on NBC, ABC, CBS, CSPAN, CNN, etc. all committ mass hari-kiri on their evening shows.
I want to see the witches on “The View” dissolve into puddles of water.
I want to hear the shrieks from Hollywood.
I want to watch Pelosi’s latest facelift dissolve into a mass of liquid botox-laced silicone.
I want to see Gwen Ifil hawking her lousy book as an inclusion in a box of breakfast cereal or as a MacDonald’s Kidsmeal gift.
I want to hear Joe Biden make some dumb comment like “You would have beaten them Obama if you were just a better candidate!”
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Welcome to FR, and thanks for your voice of caution.
Thank you Klepto, I couldn’t agree more. This is getting us nowhere. Finding and speculating on itsy little tiny things in hopes of it blowing up into being one big conspiracy is such a waste of time IMHO.
Hmm. Maybe you are correct. I re-read what I wrote and I can see how it would be taken that way. And I admit, being around the legal profession for so long I do think you don’t notice how you come off sometimes. Thanks for calling it to my attention and I do apologize if it came across that way. I love a good “heated” discussion as I think we can get to the “truth” or “truths” that way.
Anyway, you made an excellent point and it is appreciated.
And to all, thanks for the kind welcome!!
Will take a look. Thanks!
Welcome to FR, Freeper!
Thanks!!!
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