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Antievolutionists asked to review draft standards in Texas
The National Center for Science Education ^ | October 16, 2008

Posted on 10/17/2008 7:59:18 AM PDT by Soliton

Three antievolutionists have been appointed to a six-member committee to review the draft set of Texas state science standards, and defenders of the integrity of science education in the Lone Star state are livid. "The committee was chosen by 12 of the 15 members of the board of education, with each panel member receiving the support of two board members," as the Dallas Morning News (October 16, 2008) explains. Six members of the board "aligned with social conservative groups" chose Stephen C. Meyer, the director of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, Ralph Seelke, a biology professor at the University of Wiconsin, Superior, and Charles Garner, a chemistry professor at Baylor University.

Meyer, Seelke, and Garner are all signatories of the Discovery Institute-sponsored "Dissent from Darwinism" statement. Meyer and Seelke are also coauthors of Explore Evolution: The Arguments For and Against Neo-Darwinism (Hill House, 2008), which, like Of Pandas and People, is a supplementary textbook that is intended to instill scientifically unwarranted doubts about evolution. A recent review by biologist John Timmer summarized, "But the book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book." Garner reportedly told the Houston Press (December 14, 2000) that he "criticizes evolutionary theory in class."

Meyer and Seelke also testified in the 2005 "kangaroo court" hearings held by three antievolutionist members of the Kansas state board of education, in which a parade of antievolutionist witnesses expressed their support for the so-called minority report version of the state science standards (written with the aid of a local "intelligent design" organization), complained of repression by a dogmatic evolutionary establishment, and claimed to have detected atheism lurking "between the lines" of the standards..

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TOPICS: Education; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; evolution; id; scientism
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To: metmom
I have a BA in Meteorology.

I once rode in a Comet!

441 posted on 10/19/2008 5:24:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I KNOW that Science is the most productive system of gaining replicable and useful knowledge about the physical universe ever created by man.
442 posted on 10/19/2008 5:25:14 PM PDT by allmendream (White Dog Democrat: A Democrat who will not vote for 0bama because he's black.)
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To: tacticalogic
Are you and metmom the same person, posting under 2 different screen names?

No.

443 posted on 10/19/2008 5:25:21 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Elsie
It's them damned CREVOS on school boards that have brought such low standards all around.

Wrong, Elsie. You've been around long enough that you should know the abbreviations:

CREVO is a contraction of creation and evolution. It is used to describe threads of the type we are on, where creationists and evolutionists debate. It is entirely descriptive.

CREO is slang for creationists.

EVO is slang for evolutionists.

Both of these terms are descriptive as well.

444 posted on 10/19/2008 5:25:59 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: LeGrande
Despite our disagreements I think you would make a better President than our current two choices.

Have I shown THAT much Conservative values in these threads?


 
 

Aw...  shucks...
 

445 posted on 10/19/2008 5:26:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: allmendream
I believe that in this universe that God called into being, Evolution is the inevitable consequence of the imperfect replication of life that God commanded the oceans and the earth to form.

Indeed, evolution being God's creation is intelligent design itself.

446 posted on 10/19/2008 5:36:01 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Elsie

//INTERPRETATION of evidence happens more//

yes like looking at a gret ape skull built from hundreds of unassociated fragments and seeing something other than a great ape skull.

wow that’s some heavy data that guy is swinging around /sarc>


447 posted on 10/19/2008 5:36:25 PM PDT by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: metmom

I've also been around long enough to know that if something out of the ordinary is found, evos just *revise* their theory, as they do with any theory as new data comes in. No way they'd let it falsify the ToE without a fight.

That's the differentiation between the cult of evoution and the theory of evolution.

448 posted on 10/19/2008 5:37:07 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Elsie
Have I shown THAT much Conservative values in these threads?

You are on these threads : )

449 posted on 10/19/2008 5:39:20 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: tpanther

Do you claim that your faith in God is the same as the scientists faith in each other? They do peer review because they don’t really trust each other.


450 posted on 10/19/2008 5:41:54 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Are you and metmom the same person, posting under 2 different screen names?

No.

451 posted on 10/19/2008 5:44:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tpanther
"I've also been around long enough to know that if something out of the ordinary is found, evos just *revise* their theory, as they do with any theory as new data comes in. No way they'd let it falsify the ToE without a fight."

That's the differentiation between the cult of evoution and the theory of evolution.

If the theory of evolution can readily be modified to include new data why would you think it should be falsified instead?

Doesn't the theory, with modifications, more accurately describe and organize the data? And isn't this the goal of science?

452 posted on 10/19/2008 5:46:49 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: hocndoc
You don’t understand about withholding tax. The Medicare and Social Security are matched by the employer or paid in full by self-employed people - at double the rate that comes out of the wages of those employed by others.

Are you saying that an employee of a Church pays double the rate of Medicare and Social Security? LOL

I think you are confused about Employer vs Employee contributions. That is a fiction to make it look like the taxes are lower for employees. The total payroll tax collected by the government for a self employed person or an employee is exactly the same.

Ministers don't pay taxes. For a perfect example, just look at Jesse Jackson, Wright, or others like them.

453 posted on 10/19/2008 5:50:08 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: metmom

I asked a question about one person’s personal beliefs, and got an answer from someone else. I have to wonder how they know the answers without being the same person.


454 posted on 10/19/2008 5:52:02 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mojave; tpanther
Interesting to see who the Obama defenders are on this thread,

Nah, I'm just a facts defender. Something you guys could stand to become a little more familiar with.

455 posted on 10/19/2008 6:13:34 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: metmom
Find mammal bones in Precambrian strata.

Something besides something that evos could explain away.

*Mammal evolution pushed back*

I guarantee you mammal evolution is not going to be pushed back to the Precambrian. You find the bones, you'll be famous.

456 posted on 10/19/2008 6:15:06 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Coyoteman; tacticalogic; metmom

If the theory of evolution can readily be modified to include new data why would you think it should be falsified instead?

Doesn't the theory, with modifications, more accurately describe and organize the data? And isn't this the goal of science?

Sure, but what you seem to continually misunderstand is none of this actually happens...because people just like you ensure it can never honestly be examined scientifically because each and every time someone challenges evolution, you evo cultists begin screaming: "Inquisition", "dark ages", "burning at the stake", or your "Oh no, we're doomed to become a Theology" nonsense.

457 posted on 10/19/2008 6:34:23 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: allmendream
Something, he concluded, must have happened around generation 20,000 that laid the groundwork for Cit+ to later evolve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySaOuzhK-gg

458 posted on 10/19/2008 6:39:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande

So is Old Mountain Man!


459 posted on 10/19/2008 6:41:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tacticalogic
Do you claim that your faith in God is the same as the scientists faith in each other? They do peer review because they don’t really trust each other.

When scientists trained at MIT, Johns Hopkins, Princeton and others are shut out of debate, there is no objectivity by the "establishment" when it comes to evolution, thus the need for them to create dissent from darwin.org. And for concerned parents to put stickers on text books explaining the cult of evoution has hijacked the theory of evolution and is indeed theory, and not fact.

They're also doing a very poor job with the advancements we see of the hot air cult. It's embarassing for scientists. Just like the NEA "results" we see with children's understanding of not only science but their understanding of history, math and everything else failed liberals are doing.

Christians are just tired of having to fend these cultists off, being forced to pay for private schools AND failed miserable NEA run disasters.

460 posted on 10/19/2008 6:45:57 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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