Skip to comments.Earliest Reference Describes Christ as 'Magician' [ sez Ogoistais ]
Posted on 10/06/2008 11:02:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
A team of scientists led by renowned French marine archaeologist Franck Goddio recently announced that they have found a bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., that, according to an expert epigrapher, could be engraved with the world's first known reference to Christ... The full engraving on the bowl reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted by French epigrapher and professor emeritus Andre Bernand as meaning either, "by Christ the magician" or "the magician by Christ." ...He and his colleagues found the object during an excavation of the underwater ruins of Alexandria's ancient great harbor. The Egyptian site also includes the now submerged island of Antirhodos, where Cleopatra's palace may have been located...
While not discounting the Jesus Christ interpretation, other researchers have offered different possible interpretations for the engraving, which was made on the thin-walled ceramic bowl after it was fired, since slip was removed during the process. Bert Smith, a professor of classical archaeology and art at Oxford University, suggests the engraving might be a dedication, or present, made by a certain "Chrestos" belonging to a possible religious association called Ogoistais. Klaus Hallof, director of the Institute of Greek inscriptions at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy, added that if Smith's interpretation proves valid, the word "Ogoistais" could then be connected to known religious groups that worshipped early Greek and Egyptian gods and goddesses, such as Hermes, Athena and Isis. Hallof additionally pointed out that historians working at around, or just after, the time of the bowl, such as Strabon and Pausanias, refer to the god "Osogo" or "Ogoa," so a variation of this might be what's on the bowl. It is even possible that the bowl refers to both Jesus Christ and Osogo.
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Franck Goddio/ Hilti Foundation, photos: Christoph Gerigk | 'By Christ the Magician' -- A bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., is engraved with what may be the world's first known reference to Christ. The engraving reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."
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Are you sure that doesn’t really say “Starbucks”?
j/k - thanks for posting this story - I love reading the archeology stories that get posted here.
The Historicity of Jesus Christ [Open Thread under Religion Moderator’s Guidelines]
History | August 3, 2008 | Kevmo
Posted on 08/04/2008 1:19:19 PM PDT by Kevmo
I don’t mind saying He’s done some magic on me!
Thaank you Jesus.
Interesting. Some of the early non-Christian sources that refer to Christ often label Him a “magician” or a “wonder worker”, cf. Josephus and the Talmud.
Myself, I’m convinced that the miraculous exploits of Christ were well-known to contemporary pagan and Jew alike.
Is it any wonder that the apostle John warned against the gnostics?
Funny it didn’t say, “the 20th Century reinterpreters’ historical Jesus....”
I just finished a 32 page essay called “Pagan Roots of the Christ Myth” which points out that many “christs” from ancient times have had virgin births, were crucified in some fashion and resurrected. And many claim 12.25 as their birth day. Very interesting parallels from many continents.
I believe there was a Bar Jesus mentioned in the NT.
I love the find though, underwater archeaology is an exciting field.
Colour me unimpressed. Many people claimed to be the Messiah, which is all “Christ” means.
It’s like finding a football signed “for the Champs” and assuming it must have belonged to Bart Starr.
Could be the Holy Grail. Or not. It would be from early 1st century and someone could have engraved it after the Last Supper. Definitely more possible that this is the HG, than that BHO is the one!
I’m under the impression the greek word for magician or sorcerer is “magus”. I have no clue what “goistais” is ...
Oh please, this looks like the letters were carved into it last week, or a few minutes ago. It hardly seems the wood chips have been blown away. “By Christ the magician”, three-card monty and sawing a woman in half, pick a card—any card. Carve me another bowl about Moses and the bush, or Bush for that matter, but the media is giving this fake an undeserved 15 minutes.
Ya stole my thunder
Now I got nuthin pithy to say
bump cool article, at least add a keyword or two
But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great. They all paid attention to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is the power of God that is called Great." And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic. (Acts 8:11)
To a non-Christian, the miracles attributed to Jesus would have been magic, also.
Yes, but this one does not use the name of Jesus. It uses the term Christ, and ties it to magic, or perhaps, what we may refer to in our vernacular as miracles.
“Oh please, this looks like the letters were carved into it last week, or a few minutes ago. It hardly seems the wood chips have been blown away. “
I’m awed by your archeological expertise. You can tell that from one photo but the archeologists who have actually examined the bowl missed it entirely.?
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