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Rock solid proof?
The Weatherford Democrat ^ | David May

Posted on 07/28/2008 2:17:21 PM PDT by Soliton

The limestone contains two distinct prints — one of a human footprint and one belonging to a dinosaur. The significance of the cement-hard fossil is it shows the dinosaur print partially over and intersecting the human print. In other words, the stone’s impressions indicate the human stepped first, the dinosaur second.

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TOPICS: Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevo; evolution; godsgravesglyphs
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To: night reader
Mishipishu ("water panther" or stegosaur) glyph at Agawa Rock, Lake Superior/Masinaw:


101 posted on 07/29/2008 6:21:16 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: null and void

Sorry about that. I didn’t even realize who I was posting to. My head accidentally exploded when my leg was pulled.


102 posted on 07/29/2008 6:30:49 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

I didn’t know it was loaded!


103 posted on 07/29/2008 6:46:51 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: sleepy_hollow
I thought there were no absolutes?

It is physically impossible for the elements on earth to have formed here. Hydrogen and Helium were formed in the Big Bang. Heavier elements were formed in stars. The heaviest elements were formed in super novae. Now you can say that there are no absolutes (and yet you accept them in your rreligion)but there is no doubt in any scientist's mind that stars existed before earth did. None.

http://aether.lbl.gov/www/tour/elements/stellar/stellar_a.html

104 posted on 07/29/2008 6:54:41 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Did you intend this for another? Or is it a standard diversionary non-sequitur?


105 posted on 07/29/2008 6:55:40 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: Rippin
I do not do diversions. I was just asking based upon your comment in Post13 if you were fluent in ancient languages.
106 posted on 07/29/2008 7:31:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I am not fluent in ancient languages. Can you answer the question I posed there?


107 posted on 07/29/2008 7:53:10 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: Coyoteman

In the turn-key world that God handed to Adam, the animals, plants, and even the earth itself were made ready-to-go. For example, they looked like 10 yr old animals, looked like 100 yr oaks, and the ground looked old as well, supplying the organic matter to sustain the system. Artists make things that ‘look’ old all the time.

For me it’s no different than the miracles performed by Jesus Christ. He spoke and lepers were healed, etc.

Without faith it is impossible to please God.

Gotta go 700 mi. down the road pronto, no pc, talk to ya later.


108 posted on 07/29/2008 8:09:15 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Rippin
I can give you my answer to that question which is the creation story is a myth or at the very best a fable. Most stories in the Bible - especially the OT are written to make some point that the author thought or believed man needed to hear from their perspective and idea of what God was telling them.

It is also possible that the Earth existed as it a body that had life that God considered not suitable and just flushed to start with new stuff. The creation story leaves out as much detail as it gives. So I do not know who's time line it was. There are flaws in almost every interpretation. The reason I asked the ancient language question is because it is clear that ALL Bible stories have been tweaked for effect by translators over the centuries.

109 posted on 07/29/2008 9:04:19 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.)
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To: wendy1946

Which is more probable?

1) It’s a stegosaurus, 155,000,000 years away from its normal time.

2) It’s an alligator, 700 miles from its normal range.


110 posted on 07/29/2008 9:10:50 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: Soliton
All those pictures are in this book. Read and learn.
111 posted on 07/29/2008 9:17:19 AM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: Soliton
BTW did you happen to notice in that Genesis every day is described as ending thus:

"And the evening and the morning were the Nth day."

Every day that is except the seventh.

One could argue that the seventh day hasn't ended yet...

112 posted on 07/29/2008 9:28:38 AM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: null and void
One could argue that the seventh day hasn't ended yet...

One could also argue that the creation story of Genesis was adopted by the Jews from the Babylonians during the exile and that it is a pre-science attempt at explaining everything. It does not match in any way our scientific understanding.

113 posted on 07/29/2008 9:32:24 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: bmwcyle

To date, all of the previous human footprint dinosaur fossils have been mistaken identity or outright fraud. This one will be the same if they ever let a scientist examine it.


114 posted on 07/29/2008 9:34:27 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: wendy1946

Three things occur to me about that petroglyph:

1. If the artist was painting an animal he was familiar with, how come he got the details so wrong? The plates are the wrong shape, and where are the tail spikes? Why does it have horns? You’d think a real live stegosaur would have made more of an impression.

2. At least some of those petroglyphs apparently postdate the arrival of Europeans—there’s a picture of a horse. How come no Europeans ever reported seeing a stegosaur, if they were still around?

3. Father Marquette, exploring the upper Mississippi in 1673, described “high rocks with hideous monsters painted on them and upon which the bravest Indian dare not look. They are as large as a calf, with claws and horns like a goat, their eyes are red, beard like a tiger’s and a face like a man’s. Their tails are so long that they pass over their bodies and between their legs under their bodies, ending like a fish’s tail. They are painted red, green and black...” Are we supposed to believe the Piasa Bird really existed too?


115 posted on 07/29/2008 9:46:29 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Indians were always in the habit of touching petroglyphs up every few decades or so; the horns on the Agawa Rock glyph were added at a much later date. Indian oral traditions describe Mishipishu has having a sawblade back, a cat-like face, red fur, and a “great spiked tail” which he used as a weapon, i.e. a stegosaur. Best book on the topic is probably Vine DeLoria’s “Red Earth, White Lies”. Vine of course was a past president of the National Council of American Indians and probably the best known of all native American authors.


116 posted on 07/29/2008 10:06:58 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: null and void

The whole thing about dinosaurs dying out 70,000,000 years ago which you’ve heard all your life turns out to be a bunch of BS.


117 posted on 07/29/2008 10:08:18 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

Agreed, they are finding dinosaur bones with fresh bone marrow inside now, they are not very old at all.


118 posted on 07/29/2008 10:18:53 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: mad_as_he$$

You are right that the ancient scriptural texts we have to hand show evidence of translator tweaking etc. However, the stunning thing that many scholars have missed because they are so busy trying to debunk traditional views, is that the very techniques (textual criticism, linguistic analysis etc.) used to debunk, can be used to establish something astonishing.

http://www.aroumah.net/agora/rendsburg01-politics.php


119 posted on 07/29/2008 10:40:19 AM PDT by Rippin
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To: sleepy_hollow
Evolutionists require astronomical stretches of time to make their theories work, time during which creatures which are alive today and supposedly evolved logically would have gone extinct while waiting for the one most important evolutionary trait which kept them alive to evolve.

My question has always been: how did animals survive while waiting millions of years for extra, added features to evolve on them that were the one and only thing that made them survive?

120 posted on 07/29/2008 10:41:45 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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