Uwe Lange meets a recreation of one of his Bronze Age ancestors
Posted on 07/16/2008 7:59:20 AM PDT by martin_fierro
Cavemen and their relatives in the same village after 3,000 years
Uwe Lange meets a recreation of one of his Bronze Age ancestors
Roger Boyes in Berlin
The good news for two villagers in the Söse valley of Germany yesterday was that they have discovered their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents — give or take a generation or two.
The bad news is that their long-lost ancestors may have grilled and eaten other members of their clan.
Every family has its skeletons in the cave, though, so Manfred Hucht-hausen, 58, a teacher, and 48-year-old surveyor Uwe Lange remained in celebratory mood. Thanks to DNA testing of remarkably well-preserved Bronze Age bones, they can claim to have the longest proven family tree in the world. “I can trace my family back by name to 1550,” Mr Lange said. “Now I can go back 120 generations.”
Mr Lange comes from the village of Nienstedt, in Lower Saxony, in the foothills of the Harz mountain range. “We used to play in these caves as kids. If I’d known that there were 3,000-year-old relatives buried there I wouldn’t have set foot in the place.”
The cave, the Lichtensteinhöhle, is made up of five interlocked natural chambers. It stayed hidden from view until 1980 and was not researched properly until 1993. The archaeologist Stefan Flindt found 40 skeletons along with what appeared to be cult objects. It was a mystery: Bronze Age man was usually buried in a field. Different theories were considered. Perhaps some of the bodies had been offered as human sacrifice, or one generation had been eaten by another.
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Me too.
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And cuckolding...
Is there a web site to go to if someone wants to be registered?
You know, someone told me that if you match 25/25 that you are very likely to match pretty close if you upgrade. This has been the case for us. People who matched 25/25 upgraded to 37 and matched 36/37 (different surnames). Turns out there was an unknown adoption back in the late 18th century that no one knew about. Technically, not an adoption, but the child was raised by someone else and the story got lost through the years. If I were you, I'd upgrade and/or look more into this. There is probably something there that you don't know about! A great mystery!
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I love genealogy DNA!
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Thanks for the information!
Uwe Lange meets a recreation of one of his Bronze Age ancestors
Skelette aus der Bronzezeit, spannende Fundsituation im Berndsaal der Lichtensteinhöhle
skeletons from the bronzeage, exciting find...
Yes. But you're not allowed to know about it unless you're registered.
Thanks for the pics. It is pretty interesting, human remains that old are rare.
all is not as it appears in the original article, Google Lichtensteinhöhle for more, unfortunately it's all in german...
no reference to what appears to be evidence of trepanation either...
but what's truly fascinating, is that the number of remains discovered are described as zahllose UNCOUNTABLE.
Discovery area. Very confined space?
Entry. Excellent hiding place maybe?
Excellent, until the big wave came? :’)
Exactly!
And the few who did not hide in caves, or were not washed away and drowned, survived to become ancestors.
Human remains from that period are rare, whereas animal bones are discovered in abundance.
http://www.zetatalk3.com/usenet/use90591.htm
“...A great many facts point to rapid, catastrophic burial of the plants and animals which are found as fossils today.
Fossil caves, fissures, mass burial sites, and sedimentary strata discovered in Europe and America were jammed with masses of mixed bones of many sorts of animals from widely separated and differing climatic zones, for example:[16 Cumberland Cavern in Maryland, containing remains of animals from cold northern regions, warm, damp semi-tropical regions, and from more arid environments, Norfolk
forest-beds in England, which contain remains of temperate zone plants, and large numbers of both northern cold-climate and tropical warm-climate animals, all mixed together, rock fissures in England and France contain masses of broken bones of many kinds of animals from both cold and temperate zones...”
> Is there a web site to go to if someone wants to be registered?
In Canada I registered thru the Red Cross, as they had jurisdiction for blood and all blood-related products there.
In the US? Lemme check, standby for a mo (checks his handy-dandy browser...)
www.marrow.org looks like a likely place to start, in the US. I’d start by asking your Doctor or GP or health professional, or phone your local public hospital. They are sure to have the right info for your area.
Here in NZ it is run by the various government-funded regional health service providers, who are all linked up internationally. IMO you probably want to be hooked up to the international network, as it provides maximum coverage.
I chose to become a donor in honor of a friend of mine, a fireman whose eldest son needed bone marrow when he became ill with leukemia. Unfortunately I was not a match, and even more unfortunately my friend’s son died without a suitable donor.
The more folk that register, the more likely that there will be a match, somewhere in the world.
*DieHard*
:-( I guess I don’t feel it but I’m over 60 and I’m a cancer survivor so they don’t want me. Thanks though. I’ll just send some money.
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