Posted on 04/16/2008 2:50:20 AM PDT by Swordmaker
This computer rivalry has been elevated to a cultural divide on par with Pepsi versus Coke. Taking it beyond personal taste, PM crunches the numbers—with some surprising results (and detailed benchmark scores).
We all know the stereotypes. Apple’s popular commercials have painted the picture in stark terms: There are two types of people, Mac people and PC people. And if the marketing is to be believed, the former is a hip, sport-coat-and-sneakers- wearing type of guy who uses his computer for video chatting, music mash-ups and other cool, creative pursuits that starchy, business-suited PC users could never really appreciate unless they tried them on the slick Apple interface. Then again, Windows PC enthusiasts probably think that Mac guy is a smug slacker with an overpriced toy that can’t do any serious computing anyway. Funny thing is, both stereotypes are wrong. With a 7.5 percent market share, Macs are no longer just the computer choice of artists and unemployed writers. (Apple is, in fact, the fourth largest computer manufacturer in the world.) And now, more than ever, the guts of both platforms are remarkably similar. Both types of machines use Intel processors (although some PCs can be configured with processors from AMD). Both buy memory, hard drives and graphics cards from the same small pool of suppliers. The underlying operating systems have distinctly different flavors, but in terms of functionality, Microsoft Windows Vista and Mac OS X Leopard have surprisingly similar built-in multimedia, Internet and productivity applications.
Yet what makes the platforms feel so dissimilar is their approaches to these applications. Internet Explorer versus Safari, Windows Media Center versus Front Row, Photo Gallery versus iPhoto, Backup and Restore Center versus Time Machine—these system components from Microsoft and Apple are designed to accomplish essentially the same goals. To users, however, the position and movement of the virtual knobs and levers make all the difference.
These things are largely matters of preference and style, but you can still make a reasonable attempt to quantify them, and we did. We tested two all-in-one desktops and two laptops—one Mac and one PC per category—and assembled a panel of testers with a range of experience and preference that ran the gamut from expert users to my wife’s stepfather, who, by his own account, had never actually turned on a computer. Our testers were asked to set up the computers right out of the box and explore the machines through everyday tasks such as Web surfing, document creation, uploading photos, downloading Adobe Acrobat files and playing music and movies through Media Center and Front Row (the entertainment software suites integrated into Vista and Leopard, respectively). Our testers were instructed to divorce themselves as much as possible from their previous technological preferences and rate their experiences with each computer’s software and hardware.
Usability surveys are like taste tests—a useful look at the subjective appeal of a device. (Is it fun? Is it easy? Would I be happy to live with this thing?) But beneath their packaging, computers are data-crunching machines that can be run like racehorses. So the second component of our test regimen was about pure performance.
Our computers were closely matched, but in the interest of full disclosure, we’ll spit out the caveats: The Gateway One PC had a processor that runs 400 MHz slower than its iMac competitor (not a heck of a difference in this age of dual-core chips), but it also had two extra gigabytes of DDR2 memory. In the laptop category, our Asus M51 had a 2.2 GHz processor, compared to 2.4 GHz for our MacBook. But the Asus had a larger screen, a more sophisticated graphics card and an extra gig of RAM.
All that extra RAM may seem to give an advantage to the PCs. Vista, however, is a noted memory hog, so throwing more RAM into PC computers is probably less of a perform ance booster for manufacturers than it is a new baseline hardware specification.
Before we pulled out our stopwatches, we turned to two industry-standard, cross-platform benchmarking tools—Geekbench from Primate Labs and Cinebench from Maxon—to get third-party results. We ran both benchmarking programs on our Mac and PC desktop and laptop computers before our testers got their dirty little hands on the equipment to ensure that no confounding software could poison the results.
These benchmarks are reliable indicators of performance, but the numbers feel somewhat meaningless to ordinary users. Which is why we created our own suite of tests to meas ure the speed of everyday tasks. We logged boot-up and shutdown times, and launch times for the Internet browser and media player built into each operating system, as well as for common applications such as Microsoft Word and Adobe Photoshop. We tested how long it took for each computer to rip a CD and install a few big software suites. The laptops were forced to play the longest movie we could find (Saving Private Ryan—2 hours, 49 minutes) until they wheezed, sputtered and shut down. Finally, we put all four computers through a stress test. We ran three video sources (a YouTube clip, a DVD and an .avi file), DivX encoding, instant messaging, Word, Adobe Acrobat and a spyware scan simultaneously—then retimed our launch of Photoshop.
The results gave us a clear winner in the performance categories, but the big surprise was how little difference we found in user preferences. Turns out, both platforms are capable and easy to use, but only one was the victor.
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| Hardware | 20-in. screen, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 1 GB DDR2 RAM, 320 GB hard drive, built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, 8x CD/DVD burner, remote control, ATI Radeon HD 2600 graphics card. |
| Software | OS X Leopard, iLife '08 (iTunes, iPhoto, GarageBand, etc.), Front Row, iWork (30-day trial). |
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SPEED TEST | Click here for detailed benchmark scores |
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| Boot | Average startup | 28.7 sec. |
| Average shutdown | 4.0 sec. | |
| Install | Microsoft Office | 4 min. 17 sec. |
| Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 31 min. 44 sec. | |
| Program Launch | Safari (Internet browser) | 3.3 sec. |
| Microsoft Word | 4.2 sec. | |
| Adobe Photoshop | 4.0 sec. | |
| Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 21.36 sec. | |
| CD rip | 3 min. 35 sec. | |
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| Hardware | 19-in. screen, 2.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 3 GB DDR2 RAM, 500 GB hard drive, built-in Wi-Fi, 8x CD/DVD burner, remote control, ATI Radeon HD 2600 graphics card. |
| Software | Windows Vista Home Premium, Microsoft Works 8.5, Media Center, Microsoft Office (60-day trial). |
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| Works | |
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SPEED TEST | Click here for detailed benchmark scores |
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| Boot | Average startup | 1 min. 13 sec. |
| Average shutdown | 44.3 sec. | |
| Install | Microsoft Office | 6 min. 25 sec. |
| Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 25 min. 45 sec. | |
| Program Launch | Internet Explorer | 6.3 sec. |
| Microsoft Word | 5.2 sec. | |
| Adobe Photoshop | 5.5 sec. | |
| Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 40.0 sec. | |
| CD rip | 3 min. 35 sec. | |
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| Hardware | 13.3-in. screen, 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo (Penryn); 3GB DDR2 RAM, 160 GB hard drive, 8x CD/DVD burner, built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. |
| Software | OS X Leopard, iLife '08 (iTunes, iPhoto, GarageBand, etc.), Front Row, iWork (30-day trial). |
| Weight | 5 pounds |
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| With the DVD drive spinning and screen at full brightness, the MacBook made it through our movie, but fell short of Apple's stated 6-hour battery life: 3 hr. 34 min. | |
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| Boot | Average startup | 41.6 sec. |
| Average shutdown | 3.9 sec. | |
| Install | Microsoft Office | 2 min. 57 sec. |
| Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 34 min. 54 sec. | |
| Program Launch | Microsoft Word | 5.3 sec. |
| Adobe Photoshop | 4.1 sec. | |
| Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 16.2 sec. | |
| CD rip | 5 min. 49 sec. | |
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| Hardware | 15.4-in. screen, 2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 2 GB DDR2 RAM, 250 GB hard drive, ATI Radeon HD 2400 graphics card, 8x CD/DVD burner, built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. | |
| Software | Microsoft Vista Home Premium, Works, Media Center, Office (30-day trial). | |
| Weight | 6.5 pounds | |
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| Many users liked the Asus’s 15.4-in. screen, but that large display is a drain on the battery. The Asus couldn’t make it through our 2-hour, 49-minute movie: 1 hr. 30 min. |
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| Boot | Average startup | 1 min. 51 sec. |
| Average shutdown | 25.4 sec. | |
| Install | Microsoft Office | 4 min. 46 sec. |
| Adobe Creative Suite 3 | 21 min. | |
| Program Launch | Microsoft Word | 6.2 sec. |
| Adobe Photoshop | 5.2 sec. | |
| Stress-launch Photoshop (w/ 8 apps running) | 25.5 sec. | |
| CD rip | 3 min. 9 sec. | |
Mac: In both the laptop and desktop showdowns, Apple’s computers were the winners. Oddly, the big difference didn’t come in our user ratings, where we expected the famously friendly Mac interface to shine. Our respondents liked the look and feel of both operating systems but had a slight preference toward OS X. In our speed trials, however, Leopard OS trounced Vista in all-important tasks such as boot-up, shutdown and program-launch times. We even tested Vista on the Macs using Apple’s platform-switching Boot Camp software—and found that both Apple computers ran Vista faster than our PCs did.
PC: Simply put, Vista proved to be a more sluggish operating system than Leopard. Our PCs installed some software faster, but in general they were slower in our time trials. Plus, both PCs showed weaker performance on third-party benchmarks than the Macs. Our biggest surprise, however, was that PCs were not the relative bargains we expected them to be. The Asus M51sr costs the same as a MacBook, while the Gateway One actually costs $300 more than an iMac. That means for the price of the Gateway you could buy an iMac, boost its hard drive to match the Gateway’s, purchase a copy of Vista to boot—and still save $100.
| Benchmark Test | iMac 20-in screen; 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo; 1GB DDR2 |
Gateway One 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo; 3GB DDR2 |
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| Overall | 3180 (2651) | 1903 |
| Integer | 2766 (3398) | 2324 |
| Floating Point | 4460 (2675) | 1713 |
| Memory | 2299 (1720) | 1597 |
| Stream | 1916 (1819) | 1707 |
| Cinebench | ||
| 1 CPU | 2619 (2429) | 1979 |
| 2 CPUs | 4840 (4641) | 3739 |
| Graphics | 4819 (3834) | 2913 |
| Benchmark Test | MacBook 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo; 1GB DDR2 (Out of production) |
MacBook 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo (Penryn); 3GB DDR2 |
Asus M51 2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo; 2GB DDR2 |
| Geekbench | |||
| Overall | 2885 (2465) | 3156 (2657) | 2445 |
| Integer | 2536 (3099) | 2734 (3421) | 3102 |
| Floating Point | 3959 (2429) | 4395 (2660) | 2444 |
| Memory | 2156 (1730) | 2378 (1785) | 1636 |
| Stream | 1809 (1850) | 1853 (1717) | 1772 |
| Cinebench | |||
| 1 CPU | 2409 | 2741 (2561) | 2214 |
| 2 CPUs | 4468 | 5216 (4838) | 4198 |
| Graphics | 2027 | 2040 (835) | 2495 |
Thanks for the 
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It usually revolves around network issues at my place. They have an image repository (mac based) and connect to the windows based file server.
Finding the IP for instance. Names of shared folders etc. The finder tool is not as informative for them as network neighborhood and its netbios convention. We do what we can to solve problems, but when I ask them to show me how they did it before they don’t know.
We had a laptop that could not join the wireless network which is encrypted. No clue on the part of the user. If it does not happen by itself, they don’t really know the OS to find things. They know their software part of their job, Quark for instance, but don’t know the machine.
if they did that, it's likely that the Hope Diamond would change color...
Certainly true of my daughter for instance, but the department I support are diehard Mac users.
It's hard to deny the truth... ;^)>
And hard to know where it ends and illusions born of evangelical enthusiasm begin.
In case you hadn't noticed, the article that started this thread is about 50-50 PC - Mac.
Most of the PC threads on FreeRepublic are the "HELP! My computer has done something weird and I don't know how to fix it." type (Can't recall a Mac thead that started that way)... or they have been the in the "Vista Sucks" category lately.
That's too bad.
The Verdict: Apple
Mac: In both the laptop and desktop showdowns, Apple’s computers were the winners. Oddly, the big difference didn’t come in our user ratings, where we expected the famously friendly Mac interface to shine. Our respondents liked the look and feel of both operating systems but had a slight preference toward OS X. In our speed trials, however, Leopard OS trounced Vista in all-important tasks such as boot-up, shutdown and program-launch times. We even tested Vista on the Macs using Apple’s platform-switching Boot Camp software—and found that both Apple computers ran Vista faster than our PCs did.
You'll occasionally see threads about people building thier own PC, too. And I don't believe I ever saw a Mac thread that started that way, either.
Oh goodie, another Mac vs. PC flame war. I think most people have long since made this decision.
I think that part of the problem is that perhaps you don't use a Mac very much and are unfamiliar with the system.
It took me exactly 3 clicks to find the IP address of this Mac I am using right now. Click the Apple on the Menu Bar, Click System Preferences, Click Network... the IP address is in the Window next to "Built In Ethernet" radio button. Also just 3 clicks to see the shared folder names on the server. Click on the Desktop, click on "Go", Click on "Network." None if the shared folder is on the Desktop. Two if its a shared server on the Desktop. What's hard about the Finder window's sidebar "Network" icon that brings up every server and seeing the shared folders on the server by clicking on the toggle?
Are you seriously telling me that the majority of your Windows users in the enterprise are capable of finding the IP address of their computers without you telling them where to look?
Get a Mac and USE it and you will see there are few illusions... then get back to me. ;^)>
I've just had quite a conversation with a Mac proponent over how well it's going to perform and scale in a medium-to-large heterogenous corporated environment. Lots of claims being made about something that's apparently never been done.
OK I went poking through an install tutorial website (pretty good one too pcguide.com nice place) and I found this screen that will do exactly what you’re saying, make a bunch of accounts that are all admin (they don’t say they’re all admin but it’s implied), but honestly I don’t recall ever seeing that screen in any of the dozens of XP installs I’ve done. Might be an OEM thing because I work almost exclusively with MSDN copies of MS stuff but that is really the first time I’ve seen this screen, and at some points in my career I’ve barely been able to go a week without installing XP.
I'm sure there are reasons, but it is pretty rare.
I'm not sure what I'd use it for, and it would cost me more than the last 3 PC's I've owned, combined.
I'm probably not an "average" case, becuse I've always built my own, and have access to a fairly good supply of good used parts. I can't use it at work, the few Macs we had on the network we had to take off because we couldn't justify the cost of what it was going to take to centrally manage and lock down their configurations. We couldn't pass an FDIC security audit with them on the network unmanaged. Most of what I use one for at home is basic web surfing, a few Windows based games, and stuff from work that usually involves using .net framework.
I've seen it a few times. It's always been used as a management interface for some piece of software the looks like it was ported to Windows from Unix.
Well, it’s not my site, if the mods don’t mind the Mac v. PC fights, then I have no place to complain.
I was there when the war started, the last thing I want is to hear the same old arguments. I’ll just remember your handle and skip those threads, we’ll both be happy.
MSDN is the only version that does what you say. The *retail* and *OEM* versions create admin accounts by default. How smart is that?
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