Posted on 02/07/2008 4:18:27 PM PST by wagglebee
To all of you FRiberals out there, and that means all of you Rooty Rooters and Romneyites, it's your fault that the GOP is almost for certain stuck with McCain as the nominee. Now, I don't mean those of you who voted for Romney on Super Tuesday in an effort to split the vote, but the rest of you are culpable.
Conservative FReepers have spent the past year listening to the likes of you tell us that conservatives have "had their foot on the neck" of the GOP for too long. We were told that all that mattered was someone who was strong on terror. We were told that we needed someone with strong name recognition. We were told that generally the GOP decides whose "turn it is" and then nominates that person. We were told that we needed someone who can get independent votes. We were told that ANY Republican would nominate strict constructionists to the Federal bench. We were told that winning was all that mattered.
Now, some of you who said this were supporting Rooty, some of you were supporting Romney. But you were all pretty much saying the same thing: you preferred your candidates to a conservative. Some of you even got so upset with conservative FReepers that you ran away to start a RINO forum
Well, guess what? You were successful, though not in the way you thought you would be. It looks like it's McCain's "turn." But don't worry, McCain is a war hero and strong on terrorism (as long as we don't actually take terrorists into custody or try to keep them from crossing into the United States through open borders), he says he can get independents to vote for him, he says he will appoint constructionists, and most important, he has name recognition.
So, if your real agenda was to destroy the GOP, you very well may have succeeded. If your agenda was to create a "Democrat Light" party, you have almost certainly succeeded. If your agenda was to keep the Democrats out of the White House, you have probably failed.
But regardless of what your agenda was, you have harmed the United States of America -- I just hope it's not permanent.
Thanks for the ping. I see that Dobson has endorsed Huckabee.
I agree with the title of this thread.
Soros!
My thought would be to vote for Ron Paul, to keep McCain and Huckabee from getting enough electorates. Then we'd have a brokered convention, and can't end up any worse than McCain!
My thoughts? With McCain we get (at worst) pro-life cred and one leg of the stool—foreign policy. With Hillary or Obama we get none of that. Moreover, Hillary is a criminal.
The agenda of some Republicans is that of social liberalism coupled with a strong foreign policy and fiscal conservativism. The border issue seems to be of not much importance this cycle either, or McPain wouldn’t have been chosen. I supported Duncan Hunter and ran a blog for him, which I tried to keep updated with all the latest campaign news. Unfortunately, issues like a strong moral foundation, pro-life, pro-family, anti-pornography, are not as important because social liberalism has penetrated the Republican Party.
There’s no point in anymore of this animus baloney. I despise McCain, but in the Fall we are going to have a pro-lifer against a death merchant and a guy who will win the war versus someone who wil lose it.
Excellent and well written vanity. I agree.
I’ve been saying essentially the same thing on several other threads. Here’s what I think FR should do about it.
THE GOP DOESN’T WANT US- SO WHAT’S NEXT?
Posted by Kevmo to ovrtaxt
On News/Activism 02/06/2008 9:41:58 AM PST · 433 of 679
Here’s an idea I had for something that we as Freepers can at least accomplish on Free Republic and reverse the course of RINOs co-opting conservatism.
It’s been posted to JimRob, no response.
We really should do something about these lockstep republicans on Free Republic.
It had become obvious to me when there was so much support for tootyfruityrudy on this website, which drove JimRob to finally open up the BugZapper thread. Now that Fred has dropped out, maybe JimRob will implement this suggestion I put forward on a couple of threads:
When all the smoke clears, if Hunter doesn’t get the nomination, I have one more suggestion for all of us remaining conservative freepers. It would make sense for us to have an idealogy score, a set of questions with rankings of how important the issue is and how strongly a freeper agrees/disagrees with it. We could all put these results on our home pages, so that when another freeper is debating with us (or us with them) we could just go to their home page, check their score on that issue & others, and realize “Ohhh, this is a Ron Paul supporter” or “ohh, this guy is a small l libertarian” or “ohh, this guy is a Big F FISCAL Conservative and a small l social liberal.”
It’s okay for FR to be inundated with RINOs or have a bunch of liberals posting here, as long as they’re up front about it.
I just watched Romney’s speech to CPAC. And all I can say is, to all of you who denied this country the opportunity to have this wonderful conservative and great man as our Next President, and instead through your pettiness and single-minded blind adherance to lifetime ideological purity fought him at every turn, until too late many conservatives realised their error —
Yes, to all of you I say,
Well I guess I already said it.
But having watched many of you do as much as anybody to personally and vindictively tear down a fine family man, a man of principle and purpose, a successful and intelligent businessman, and a deeply committed man of faith and patriotism, your attempt to now escape culpability for the tragedy you have brought on our country is not laughable, but pathetic.
Nobody here who supported Romney did anything to prevent any of you from successfully bringing forth a “better” conservative who would be acceptable. It’s not our fault that no “better” conservative spent the last two years crossing the country and laying the groundwork for a successful presidential run.
It’s not our fault that you scrambled across the internet scraping together a “conservative” candidate and came up with Fred Thompson, a fine man with great promise who failed to live up to that promise.
It’s not our fault that your chosen candidate scared away a good number of the 3rd of the legs of conservatism, leading them to jump to Huckabee. It’s not our fault that a third of the conservatives decided while Fred was still in the race that McCain would be their man.
It’s not our fault that you all pledged allegiance to Duncan Hunter, but could never talk 10 friends into supporting him and getting 10 other friends to support him — an act which if it had just been repeated 4-5 times would have made him a national figure to be reckoned with.
You had to support your candidate, and we supported the candidates we chose, and instead of pushing your candidate you trashed all the other candidates, opening the door to McCain. You worked to get Huckabee 1st in Iowa, and many of you were praying for McCain to win in New Hampshire, thus directly supporting the man you now scream to the heavens is the wrong man for the job.
And when it came time to get Fred Thompson through in South Carolina, you and others who claimed to support Fred Thompson sent him barely enough money to live day to day, while ron Paul supporters were outdoing your weeks of fundraising in single-day blitzes.
Many of us were for Romney not because he was Romney, but because in January of 2007, Romney was the only conservative in the race who looked like he had a national strategy to defeat Rudy Giuliani. Fred Thompson wasn’t a gleam in anybody’s eye, and Hunter even then wasn’t getting your overwhelming support (He may have been here, but not among the 60% of the republican party who was supposedly conservative).
No, while Hunter languished, and Romney put together a national strategy, you abandoned Hunter AND Romney and went looking for the NEXT conservative.
Romney was there at the beginning, and was there until the end. He had a great conservative platform, and he could deliver that platform intelligently and coherently.
As a man who helped push Fred Thompson into the race, mostly because I could see that the combination of the blind purists, the bigots, and yes, those people who understandably but in my opinion wrongly feared Romney’s recent conversions were likely to make him unelectable, I can speak with authority that supporting Romney did not stand in the way of supporting and encouraging Thompson.
Because Fred Thompson was a dissappointment. Not his message — that was great. We were lamenting at work today about how Huckabee had held Thompson’s ideals, he’d be our next president. But moreso, Fred Thompson’s entry in the race was really what gave McCain a second life. He kept the conservatives from grudgingly doing what they eventually did — back Romney.
Anyway, I’ve just listened to McCain, and for whatever evil he has done and will do, he hit MANY points which were in fact on our conservative agenda. We could do worse. But we didn’t have to do this bad.
My biggest regret about Romney failing here is that he won’t get a chance to prove every person who attacked him here wrong, as I’m positive he would have.
Maybe in 4 years, the conservatives like those here looking for a scapegoat for thier own failure, might think about finding and promoting a candidate a bit earlier in the process, rather than laughably attacking those who rightly point out to them that they are too late in getting to the game.
“It was conservatives like YOU, who so falsely labeled Romney, who gave us McCain. Unfortunately we are now all going to have to live with it.”
Agree totally with what you said - the “precious Willard” fools who kept insisting they were NOT against Romney because he was Mormon but because he was too liberal, although they never found the time to be all over Rudy or McCain (as in McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy) for being too liberal, kept everyone focused on Romney while McCain slipped in the back door.
I must have been reading all the threads except those, because while I saw people attack supporters of those candidates, I don’t remember lots of posts attacking the positions of those candidates (except Ron, sorry, but he held positions that deserved to be attacked).
Well said.
You asked for thoughts, here goes.....
You see McCain as “pro-life to a certain degree.” That’s like being “kind of pregnant.” This is an area in which the choices have no shades of gray, because they are literally the choice between life and death.
Politicians and politics live on the middling, the compromise and the expedient. To quote Ayn Rand (an atheist, but a very clear thinker) “In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.”
The Culture of Death must be confronted head on in ALL in guises, whether it is The Islamic Religion of Submission that sacrifices its votaries or the Religion of Choice that sacrifices generations of unborn innocents.
Like it or not, neither party offers a real alternative in this year. McCain will probably win the nomination because he is a political creature, when what we really need is an apolitical moral leader.
Unfortunately, in this year when a third party alternative would be most appealing, we have only the offering of the Ron Paul Surrender Monkey.
You asked for thoughts - I’m afraid the ones I have to offer are only dark.
The wailing from you incessant crybabies makes you sound like the liberal.
No one is worse for John McCain than John McCain. Just watch.
Concentrate your time and money on the HOR and ignore the Presidential lost cause.
Hunter was in the race from the beginning, and never got over 2%. There are arguably 60% conservatives in our party, but certainly close to 50% at least.
So apparently 49% of the conservatives didn’t back that “perfectly good candidate”, Duncan Hunter. So if you want to blame somebody, start with the 49% of the conservatives who didn’t support him before going after all the RINOs who probably never even HEARD of him.
Oh, and I think the Hunter people will be attacking those of you “so-called conservatives” who rather than supporting a solid conservative like Hunter, went out and drafted a guy who had not expressed any interest in the job, Fred Thompson.
If ANY conservatives have a right to scream bloody murder about back-stabbing and malfeasance, it is the Hunter supporters who had to put up with people EVERY DAY saying “Hunter’s a great conservative and a fine candidate BUT”, while they were all sending money to a guy who wasn’t running trying to talk him into it.
Me, if I had a choice between Hunter and Romney, I would choose Romney. Not because he was “more conservative”, but because on places of disagreement, I liked Romney’s position better, and because Romney had executive experience. But I never attacked Hunter other than to note the fact of his lack of executive experience in explaining my position.
Of course, I didn’t support Romney when he first entered either. And I was on the bandwagon for Fred Thompson, so I’m at fault on that one. I thought it would be easier to get Fred elected than to fight for Romney.
WideAwake
It was a website spun off from FR so they could be a tootyfruityrudy cheerleading squad, but within a few short weeks their internal squabbling ripped the site apart. Most of them committed FReepercide on the bugzapper thread.
I agree. As a matter of fact, I reached the same conclusion and mentioned it on our state forum.
We didn't have a candidate that could bring us all together. Conservatives do not think alike. We each place importance on different issues. There are social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, a combination of the two, and libertarian-Republicans. None of us seem to be on the page.
OTOH, the Dems are on the same page. To them, it's all about expanding government. They just vote for the person who will expand it the most.
I read Bill Bennett's justification for voting for McCain, and he made some good points. I will probably vote for him. But, unless the GOP comes together this election, there is no way he will win:
- McCain mostly won the blue states, but either Hillary or Obama is destined to win those blue states in November. If red state voters don't come out in full force for McCain, the Dems will have the White House.
- The number of Dem voters on Tuesday FAR EXCEEDED the number of GOP voters in every state. Republicans are not as enthusiastic about their candidates as the Dems are.
FTR, there is no way I would ever vote for Huck.
Very astute observation and very true.
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