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Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
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Yup.
Normally, I’d say yes. For instance, Anna(estate) still owes Callendars law firm for work done though she fired them and perhaps Larry owes Opri, even though they had a falling out. But, who knows if Howard ever kept any kind of records as to his time spent on the case, and she provided for him in lieu of any regular pay.
Have we been able to coorelate the arrival dates of Eroshevich and Stern in the Bahamas with the first F-x's?Has anyone dug up the rx's written between oct and jan? (we know about the aug/jan ones) do the rx's coorelate in any way with inquest scheduling dates?
I can’t get over the footage they showed on ET getting her hair done before an interview. She was in a whacked out semi comatose state
is this the one where, she said that she thought she was pregnant, said howard wanted a son but she wasn't ready? then after interview said she was just kidding?
it sure is..I was wondering...what, if anything, would they stand to gain if they were lying, and I can't come up with much..they'd make the same money for selling their story no matter what the version.
The people in the Bahamas can be very religious - mebe the young ladies are making reparations for their own souls, in which case, we can be sure they are telling the truth.
It also acts as puzzle pieces to Eroshevich's, Stern's and Moe's prior statements, and actions, with a lot more detail than we've known previously.
absoANNAlutely understand lol
pic of Virgie smiling
http://www.splashnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/splashnews_asfl100407a_05.jpg
Some comments I want to post, just misc tidbits I thought about as I was reading through the many posts I missed today. These are “on the fly,” so kind of abbreviated.
1) Thanks for all the updates on the nannies’ statements, y’all. Since I can’t see them, it helps to know some FReepers find them credible. Wow, about ANS falling down a lot and HKS not helping her. Very sad, but doesn’t surprise me at all.
2) About the 1992&1994 diaries - I know a lot of FReeple think KE is the one who sold them to the memorabilia dealer - and we have all these stories about finding them in trash or Virgie cleaning out ANS’s house in LA (we KNOW that’s a lie) or Virgie throwing them out at her own home and a neighbor retrieving them or someone getting them from the set of the reality show after it folded.
I’ve always kind of felt like ANS gave them to someone from the show, half thinking they were trash and half thinking they might be worth something some day. I felt like it was that Frankie Rodriguez who retrieved them among the things being thrown out from the show and asked her if he could have them. He seemed to really care for her and she for him. (He was the guy who said she told him she had lupus.)
3) Jenny McCarthy - that’s who I think should’ve been chosen to play ANS (or still could be for another show). I knew there was someone in the back of my mind who would be right - who was pretty and could also play ditzy real well. She was on a show last night and the light bulb went off - bingo! She’d be just right, I think. Better than the two horse-faces they’ve picked so far - first they said Spelling, then this Willa Whoever Ford.
Got some more ... next post ...
Virgie hassled at Anna’s Grave; Date set for Daniel’s inquest April 13, ETonline
http://www.etonline.com/celebrities/spotlight/47775/index.html
“Sources tell ET that Larry has spent the last three days at the home Howard once shared with Anna, getting to know his daughter.
“Last night, Virgie visited Anna and Daniel’s graves in the Bahamas, her second visit to her daughter and grandson’s gravesites. She was allegedly hassled by security while she was there, telling ET, “It’s a place for the living to go, and I can’t go there and have peace and grieve.”
“And yesterday afternoon, Virgie’s attorney told our KEVIN FRAZIER that she would “be seeking joint guardianship” of Dannielynn.
“She also confirmed that she and attorneys for Larry Birkhead have had discussions about the little girl in a private meeting.
“Larry and I will work it out,” Virgie added.
“ET spoke with Virgie and her legal rep as they headed inside a Bahamian courtroom yesterday for Howard’s appeal in the DANIEL SMITH inquest. Howard is appealing the jury selection in the inquest, asking that his attorneys be allowed to use a special questionnaire for the screening process.
“The inquest will reconvene on May 22....”
OK, bear with me on this one. I have finally rejected this idea, but only after checking out a lot of stuff to see if it fit together.
My idea for why the boat was named “Cracker” or “The Cracker” and then a company was formed by the same name:
ANS and HKS said it was a nickname for Daniel - but nowhere could I ever find her calling him that, only “Pumpkinhead,” which she even included in the tattoo for him (the one that disappeared, apparently).
I felt it was some kind of inside joke between the two of them, like ANS making fun of herself as a “backwoods hick” (GA cracker) or as a white person living in a black community (corruption of bullwhip-cracker) in Nassau. Both of those could fit - and it may also be something we’ll never know.
Also wasn’t sure why they tied it to Daniel, either. If it had been a childhood nickname, I would think it was something like an abbreviated form of “firecracker” (’cracker) or short for “cracker jack,” which is closer to the Shakespearean, lol, but also relating to a confection kids love for the toy inside.
Well, as an oilie myself, I just kept coming back to “cracker” being a cracking unit at an oil refinery. Simplistically, the cracker is the piece of equipment in the process that turns crude oil into gasoline. To “refine” it, you put crude oil in, either heat it or treat it with chemical catalysts, and the crude divides itself - or “cracks” - into various forms of hydrocarbons, from jet fuel to kerosene to gasoline.
The reason this matters is because I feel like the Marshall money - or the false hope of obtaining some of it - was the only glue that made ANS allow HKS to stick around. It was their common obsession.
And the main reason no one outside the Marshall family will ever get their hands on any of the core money - that big number always being headlined - is that it is tied up in private stock in a privately held company that is only owned by a handful of people, mostly in one family.
I’ve gone on about it, ad nauseum, before, and here I am again. Back in the 1920s, Fred C. Koch was a young engineer who devised an improved method of thermal cracking - that is, using heat and high pressure - which produced much more gasoline out of a barrel of crude oil than was possible before.
This became important as the automobile caught on more and more in the US. Koch designed a cracking unit with two partners and formed a company to build and install them in refineries. That was the Keith-Winkler-Koch Engineering Company, soon just the Winkler-Koch Engineering Co.
His company was one of about 30 in the US who were doing similar types of cracking design work and installation. When trying to get patents on his units, he ran into a lot of opposition from the major oil producers, who wanted to keep the number of patents within the industry small and mostly proprietary to their companies.
He was in court so much defending himself against the Patent Club, that he finally went to Russia to install his Winkler-Koch units - and they bought 15 of them (these are enormously expensive processing units and could take 1-2 years to build). The oil business was not as high-demand there back then (I think I read there were only 850 cars in the whole enormous country!), but their oil reserves were huge, so they produced vast amounts of refined oil products for export, close to 90% of it.
more in my next post ...
Continuing ...
Back in the US, Koch’s company was growing from its big sales to Russia. Koch and five business friends got the chance to buy a refinery in 1940 outside of East St. Louis, which Koch would design and operate, so they all formed another company, called Wood River Oil & Refining Co., which much later became the basis of what is Koch Industries today.
Next came a new subsidiary, Rock Island Oil & Refining, in 1946, when Koch bought more refineries, including one near Duncan, OK. The gathering system in that purchase became the foundation of the much larger business later.
The company spread out into all forms of transporting crude oil and refined products, trucking, pipelines, tankers, and eventually into trading oil & gas related commodities. The main business, Koch Engineering, went through several parallel transitions during the 1940s-1960s, and eventually became the umbrella company called Koch Industries in 1967, upon Fred Koch’s death.
So, why am I going on and on about this one man who has nothing to do with the boat bought in FL or the little baby born to an addled mother and then-unknown father in The Bahamas in 2006? For heaven’s sake, Fred Koch died in 1967!
Well, go back to 1959. He had bought a 35% interest from Sinclair Oil in the Great Northern Oil Company, which owned a refinery in St. Paul, MN. The other two owners were Pure Oil Co. and the GNOC’s founder, J. Howard Marshall II.
I had read several references implying that Koch and JHMII were close friends, but I haven’t found anything definitive online that confirms that - I don’t have JHM’s bio on-hand, either. So, maybe, maybe not, but it’s kind of important to my scenario.
Fred Koch was one of the three founders of the John Birch Society in 1958. During his time spent in Russia, he had seen communism up close and had a deep hatred for the system. He also eschewed big government and paying taxes (like some others we know of in this saga).
Koch had four sons, three of whom went into the family business. By now, most of us know all about the proxy fight and the desire of some Koch family members to take the company public. It didn’t happen, but no thanks to one of JHM’s sons, JHMIII, who wanted, like some of the Koch brothers, to be able to sell his ownership shares on the open market, to have easy liquidity and access to the now multi-millions of valuation in those shares.
Fred Koch’s overriding philosophy, which was passed along to son Charles Koch, now CEO, was that Koch Industries must always reinvest the majority of its profits in the company and yield a smaller return to its shareholders in the process. Each one, both Fred and Chas, has said the company would only go public “over my dead body.”
Thus, there is just a handful of people in the world who can buy or sell the stock or who even know the value of each share. (This is the info which HKS stole off of opposing counsel’s table in the Houston probate trial of ANS and HKMIII against the estate of JMHII.)
In order for any payment to ANS or DL to come out of the remaining holdings of the late JHMII’s, now E. Pierce Marshall’s estate, a very large amount of Koch Industries stock would have to be liquidated or sold to other Koch family members. It’s incomprehensible to me that one selfish couple of people (ANS/HKS) would even think of trying to destroy the world’s largest or #2 private company for their own fun! The arrogance is baffling.
All right - back to my commentary. I looked high and low for anecdotes of JHMII talking about his “good friend” Fred Koch and haven’t found any, other than he was obviously close to Chas Koch, when he (JHMII) disinherited his own eldest son simply for taking the dissidents’ side in the proxy fight at Koch.
What I’m getting at, is that it has been said that JHMII often extolled the virtues of the elder Koch’s talents in the crude oil cracking process and the selling of same, which eventually led to JHM’s great amount of wealth.
If this is true, which I just can’t confirm (any funny stories or quotes from JHMII), altho I’m told it *does* appear in JHM’s bio, then I can picture JHMII “cracking” jokes about it around ANS.
Perhaps “Vickie” was bragging about Daniel’s good grades to the old man and he said, “Maybe he’ll grow up to be as smart as that cracker I invested all our money with!” Thus, making the founding Koch both the man who knew how to make money by cracking crude oil into the massive amounts of gasoline needed for the fledgling US car industry back in the 20s and the Shakespearean “sharp person.”
Everything in ANS’s life and hence, HKS’s, as well, depended upon “The Cracker.”
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Addendum:
.I had to leave out a whole, whole lot just so someone would read this, lol.
.In 1969, the first major merger Koch Industries made with another refiner was with a large company in The Bahamas.
.Fred C. Koch’s middle name? *Chase.*
.This topic was a hard nut to crack! Where’s a major Christmas ballet company when I need one? If we find out it was called the Cracker because it was short for Nutcracker, as in something ANS did to men or other people did to HKS, welllll ... guess I’d just have to live with that!
Hi Rte;)
Hot dammm!
Logging on while the coffee is brewing - I always jump to the last post;)
FGS it’s Sunday morning and here’s our gal...working the case. You really should have your own thread....
ANS Thread #66 “Just the Facts - No Filler”
sp:)
I went with an attorney for ten years. His private library was filled with books on English Law AND Shakespeare and Dickens.
I agree with you that it was a "private little thing" between Anna and Howard. I'll even give leeway and say that perhaps it had dual meanings.
That's one hell of a iresearch project. Kudos!/Sac
Rte great research!
As far as the ‘cracker’ goes...whether it be for the reasons outlines by Rte or the reason stated by Sac...it just seems to me that if it were named as such, for any of the reasons you’ve stated, doesn’t it seem like those reasons would be ‘over Anna’s head’? They definitely sound like reasons HKS would have wanted the name! Maybe he did, and knowing Anna was only going to be around for a short while longer, convinced her of the name and was able to convince her of some ‘easier’ meaning for ‘cracker’ as relates somehow to Daniel?
FANNATASY LAND! What follows is a fictional account of the future because I probably will not be here to witness the reality. You have been warned!
sodpoodle;(
Hello, Greta Van Susteren here - Welcome to our 25th Anniversary show; “On the Record”
G; Tonight, my special guest is Danna Romney, wife of Senator Romney and daughter-in-law of former President, Mitt Romney. You may remember her as Dannielynn, daughter of the late Anna Nicole Smith and Larry Birkhead, producer of the long running documentary on the National Geographic Channel, “How Global Warming is a Farce”.
Hello Danna
D;Hello Greta
G; Danna - first of all, we watched you as an infant whose custody and paternity were challenged after the death of your mother. Your father, Larry and Grandmother Virgie, kept you out of the public eye, for over 20 years, by enrolling you in exclusive schools and surrounding you with family members and social privacy.
Could you tell us what your childhood was like, following the publicity that enveloped your infancy?
D: My childhood was relatively normal, I traveled abroad, participated in Texas rodeos, played all sports in school, kept good grades and had lots of cousins and friends who shared their lives and love with me. I did experience some medical and developmental challenges for which I received extensive therapeutic care. My two grandmothers and father were very strict - I could not date until I was 18. I attended college , at BYU which is where I met my husband and , as a result of my own pre-natal and post-natal medical experiences, pursued a degree in pediatric medicine at Johns Hopkins University.
G; Do you have any thoughts you would like to share on what you have learned about your mother, Anna Nicole Smith?
D; No. I would like only to use this opportunity to caution parents that unborn children have rights, just as all other citizens. My husband is proposing a bill which will allow family members and friends to intervene in the prenatal care of all women whose drug-addictive behavior (and those who enable them) may threaten their lives and the life of the unborn. I was fortunate to have a very loving family with the courage and the resources to correct the abuses of the legal and medical professional(s) who were complicit in causing my medical and developmental problems as a fetus and as an infant.
G; Thank you Danna. We are aware that several “professionals” were sanctioned and are still in prison as a result of their actions in the deaths of your mother and brother. Has this knowledge been a burden to you?
D; It has.
I absolutely agree....and at first I was thinking...wow, there is no one to come back at Wood/HKS, who have effectively shut down the criticism/ objections/ investigation into HKS and KE...but, then I remembered...O’Quinn....thank god for O’Quinn...and Vergie...Wood has filed against O’Quinn...I’m betting it’s only a matter of time, if he hasn’t already, til O’Quinn files wrongful death...and all heck breaks loose on HKS!
Our system of Law is based on English Law.
So is Bahama Law and as you have seen via Pindar, they still wear the wigs as they still do in England.
I imagine that Howard was engaged in reviewing Bahama Law before they went there. He had gotten all the way to the Supreme Court via Constitutional Law.
Now we see him challenging Bahama Constitutionl Law.
She probably made a comment on the immense time he was doing researching and he gave her a very brief history...basically a couple of one liners.
He would become "The Cracker" of John's Shakepeare, seeking to be heir to the throne.
It may be connected to the "Queen" bit, too. She wanted to be Queen. In the end, I think the tiara was VERY SYMBOLIC. THE QUEEN IS DEAD.
Oh, ha. It’s definitely filler. I just wanted to find that quote from J Howard Marshall about owing all his financial success to the cracker.
It would have been extra fine if he were saying it to “Vickie” in relation to Daniel.
If I had started to list all the little and big statements and innuendoes that showed these two were *still* somehow believing in the Marshall pot of gold over the rainbow, it would’ve taken until Dannielynn turns 18!
I started to do it, but gave up and out. I know this isn’t worth it, but there is *something* to that boat name that would reveal a wealth of info if we could crack that nut.
“””””I just wanted to find that quote from J Howard Marshall about owing all his financial success to the cracker.”””””
You are just going to have to buy those diaries, Missy;)
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