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Explaining the Shooting of Governor John Connally
Shown on FreeRepublic for the first time. | October 25, 2006 | Bill Charleston

Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C

It’s fall, the temperature is falling, the leaves are turning and with November here, we have some repeats to watch on the cable networks.

The History Channel will show one of their favorites, ABC’s documentary “Beyond Conspiracy” featuring Peter Jennings and a computer animation which shows a bullet that hit President Kennedy’s back four inches below his collar but then the bullet allegedly exited his neck after nicking the upper part of the knot of his tie, and then it goes down at approximately a 25 degree down angle to hit Governor Connally in his back. It’s amazing what computers can show.

We’ll also most likely see the Discovery Channel’s explanation of the assassination in “Beyond the Magic Bullet.” This show also features Dale Meyers’ computer animation, the same one used in “Beyond Conspiracy.” The show goes beyond the previous documentary as the producers go to Australia to get an expert shooter to attempt to duplicate the magic bullet, the shot that hit both JFK and Governor Connally. The shots they fire are aimed at figures composed of material which act like human muscle and bone when a bullet is fired into them.

Both of these shows think they proved the magic bullet theory is true.

Watch the digitized and stablilized Zapruder Film

The Closeup Zapruder Film with Frame #

For over 40 years we’ve heard and seen documentaries which talk about strange details in the JFK assassination investigation and reports. We first had the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson with the main purpose to show that a lone gunman fired three shots at the limousine and wounded JFK, Governor Connally and a bystander too. We then had the House Subcommittee on Assassinations investigation in 1978 which investigated additional evidence in part because the Zapruder film was first shown to the American public on night TV in 1975. One of the newer pieces of evidence was the finding that the Dallas Police radio channel recorded a stuck open microphone during the time of the assassination and may have actually recorded the actual gunshots.

In 1991 the movie “JFK” again ignited the public’s curiosity about the assassination with “back and to the right” along with witnesses saying they saw another gunman. The government again responded and gave us the Records Review Act which released even more information about the murder. In 1997, the Zapruder film was digitized and now we can see even more details in the film. And in 2001, a statistical analysis was published concerning the Dallas Police recording with the finding there were five shots captured by the recording. A gunshot and it’s reflections off objects is like a fingerprint in that it’s fairly unique and dependent on where the shooter is and where the microphone is that captured the sounds, and the objects such as buildings that the sounds reflect off of.

Although we’ve heard about “discrepancies” for years in documentaries such as the “Men Who Killed Kennedy,” we’ve also had some documentaries disappear from the airways as the History Channel found them not to be accurate such as the “Guilty Men”, a documentary that fingered Vice-President Johnson and other cronies in a Texas murder ring.

The story in my opinion will not die as so many of the “facts” don’t seem to fit reality. We need to see something that makes sense.

Last year I met with one of the best known critics of the Warren Commission. I showed Dr. Cyril Wecht that one assumption made in the killing had led virtually everyone to make incorrect conclusions in the case. That assumption is that all of Governor Connally’s wounds were caused by one bullet when in fact Governor Connally was wounded by two separate shots which were both fired from the Texas School Book Depository. Dr. Wecht’s questions and observations led me to do more research which I’m still working on.

But what I want to show you today is when Governor Connally was wounded, something that has never been shown correctly on any of the documentaries or in any of the books that I’ve reviewed. You see, experts such as Dr. Wecht have been arguing about what did not happen. Instead, let’s show you what actually did happen.

To do that, I think the best place to start is with the last shot.

To briefly familiarize you with the Zapruder Film frame numbers, Z frame number 313 will be called Z313. The following are a few major frame numbers for familiarization.

Z=133 We first see the Limo in the film

Z=160 Some theorize the first shot from the Texas School Book Depository, we see Gov. Connally’s head movement to the right shortly afterwards

Z=220 We first see President Kennedy emerge from behind the sign, clutching his throat and obviously wounded

Z=223 Governor Connally reacts to his first wound

Z=220 to Z=324 Governor Connally turns to look over his shoulder toward what he thinks are gunshots

Z=313 We see the fatal shot to President Kennedy

Z=325 Governor Connally is hit in the back and driven forward

With the film speed of 18.3 frames/second, things happened quickly, too quick for 1960’s technology and the lack of accurate information they had to extract the truth. What we can see now in individual frames captured and edited was not possible even a few years ago when everything was analogue. And of course, nobody looked at Governor Connally closely after JFK's head shot at Z=313. Most everyone was sure all the serious action was over.

To those of you who remember the basic scenarios of the Warren Commission and the other numerous theories, the descriptions shown above concerning Connally’s wounds are new. And as I’ll show you, it isn’t a theory, it’s the only times Governor Connally could have been wounded in the eight seconds from the first shot until the last was fired.

With literally thousands of books and hour after hour of documentaries on what must surely be the most investigated murder in history, at this time let’s concentrate on Governor Connally’s wounds. Once you understand the only way possible that Governor Connally could have been wounded based on the facts we have, then not only can we understand how both men were wounded, it will once and for all reveal how the Guilty Men pulled this off.

The first question concerns the last shot shown above at Z=325. The Warren Commission concluded the last shot was the fatal head shot at Z=313 but was faced with testimony such as one of the best witnesses, Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman who sat in the Limo directly in front of Governor Connally. During his Warren Commission testimony, Kellerman spoke of the ending of the shooting as a “flurry” of shots. When pressed for how many, he said two. He described the spacing of the last two shots as bang-bang. When Arlen Specter pressed him again, he said it was like an airplane breaking the sound barrier (the front of the plane breaks the sound barrier before the rear of the plane, hence you hear bang-bang also).

When Arlen Specter asked the spacing between the first shot and the flurry of shots, Kellerman said three to five seconds.

When we look at the Zapruder film, we see at Z=325 the collapse forward and downward movement of Connally’s head. Looking at the sequence in real time, we see Connally driven quickly forward with his head snapping forward when he is shot. Further confirmation is given when you look at the analysis of the Dallas Police Recording. The difference between the Z=313 shot and the last shot is 0.7 seconds or approximately 12 frames.

We now have a credible witness, a recording, and the best motion picture of the assassination showing agreement that a shot was fired at Z=325.

But listen to a recent explanation of the Zapruder film factoring in the Dallas Police Recording. The reasons for Dr. Thomas' confusion and his trying to cling to the Warren Commission's are easily explained, but I'll leave that for later. Listen to the description of the last shot, "fired almost simultaneously" but they didn't even look to see what it might have done.

The Zapruder Film and the Dallas Police Recording per the Main Stream Media

A Warren Commission supporter will tell you that Governor Connally could not have been shot after Kennedy was shot because his leg wound does not line up with the shot trajectory through his body and through his right wrist. And, of course, there were only three bullets fired from the TSBD.

The hole in their argument is that Connally was indeed wounded earlier by a bullet fragment which entered Governor Connally’s leg. And note the importance of the fact to this investigation that it was a bullet fragment, not an intact bullet. That Connally was hit by a bullet fragment to his left leg is well documented but many of today’s documentaries incorrectly describe that the left leg wound was caused by an intact bullet which then fell out of his leg later at the hospital.

Three bullet fragments were found under Nellie Connally’s seat (CE840), who sat directly to the left of Governor Connally. It’s therefore credible that the bullet fragment that John Connally’s left leg is from the CE840 shot.

To test this “theory” against the Warren Commission’s, I took some of the better known observations in the JFK assassination list and compared the Z=325 scenario against the Warren Commission scenario. This is a quick way to see how facts fit against both theories.

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Observation

 

Warren Commission Three Shots

Z=325 Shot to Connally’s back

 

 

 

Connally turns in his seat and looks back at JFK Z=230 to Z=324

No (1)

Yes

Connally holds hat in his hand until at least

Z=325

No

Yes

Nellie and John Connally both said John

Was shot after JFK’s first wound (3)

No

Yes

Connally falls forward as he describes in later

Interviews when he is shot

No

Yes

Three shots were fired from the TSBD

Yes

Yes

Several Witnesses saw shooter(s) at the Grassy

Knoll

No

Yes

Agrees with Dallas Police Recording

No

Yes

Kellerman Described “flurry of shots”

No

Yes

JFK and Connally both react to Z=222 shot

Yes

Yes

Connally bullet left wide scar to his back like

the bullet was tumbling

Yes (4)

No

Bullet to JFK’s back did not have a point of exit (5).

No

Yes

 

 

 

(1) If seriously wounded at approximately Z=220, this turn would be incredible for a man wounded so seriously.

(2) Connally’s right wrist is allegedly broken by the shot at Z=220, it’s not reasonable to believe he could hold his hat for over 5 seconds

(3) Both Nellie and John Connally were actually very sure he was not wounded by the same bullet that first struck JFK. At a showing of the Zapruder film, John Connally guessed that he was wounded closer to Z=238. If the Dallas Police recording is valid, there is no shot fired at that time. Roy Kellerman’s testimony also stated that it was 3-5 seconds before the last two shots after the first.

(4) The Single Bullet supporters such as Dr. Latimer use this as support that the bullet which hit Gov. Connally in the back struck something else first. Experimental shots show that a bullet passing through tissue like JFK’s upper body tends to roll over; hence the wider scar that was left in Gov. Connally’s back. This is not proof, however, that the bullet struck something else before it entered John Connally’s back.

(5) FBI agent O’Neal described the autopsy discovery of the bullet wound to Kennedy’s back and then said no point of exit was discovered by probing with both the doctor’s finger and instruments.

The above table indicates based on some of the information commonly discussed concerning the assassination that the Z=325 scenario has merit. When you look at the location of the shot to JFK’s back (four inches below the collar) and the fact that after exiting his neck, the bullet next has to be traveling at a 25 degree down angle; this is probably the major reason the single bullet theory has been so disbelieved.

Is that enough of an introduction? I’ll tell you later the rest of the story as for this to be credible, there had to be at least six shots with three different shooters according to one of the doctors involved in the Warren Commission investigation. But as I’ve shown so far, Governor Connally’s left leg wound was caused by a bullet which fragmented and hit both JFK and Governor Connally.

That reduces to five shots and three different shooters, three shots from the TSBD and two shots from the front of the limo, fired by two different shooters. And funny thing is, there were witnesses who saw them!

To give you a hint about the rest of the story, in Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House” he discusses a conversation with JFK aid Kenny O’Donnell who said he was quite sure there were two shot fired from the front. O’Donnell also tells why he did not tell the Warren Commission what he saw and heard when he testified.

The cover-up and the misinformation supplied by the government is as interesting as the shooting analysis itself. You see, for the government to get the investigation this wrong with testimony so clear, there had to be some interesting arm twisting going on. Arlen Specter, do you even today have a clue what you did? And Gerald Ford, the lone surviving member of the Warren Commission, you have to know something, don’t you? Or did both of you keep your heads buried in the sand as you were manipulated by the Guilty Men? The truth is buried in a Conspiracy of Silence, just like Dr. Crenshaw said in the first book I read on the subject.

And how could the major news media keep getting this so wrong? "We" will deal with you later.

If you check Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House”, you’ll see that he talks about Kenny O’Donnell’s description in the book of two shots that were fired from the front. Since O’Donnell was in one of the cars behind JFK’s, he had a unique position and describes later to Tip O’Neal why he did not tell what he saw correctly to the Warren Commission.

Now let’s look at the individual frames and see Connelly’s head snap downward immediately after the bullet hits him in the back. I drew a white line through the back of his head in each frame to make the rapid movement of his head clearer. This is the first time to my knowledge that this head movement has been documented. With 18.2 frames per second, it would be virtually impossible for Connally’s head to collapse without an external force.

Z=324 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=325 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=326 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=327 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Z=328 Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

Now that you see in just a couple of frames how Governor Connally's head rolled down as he was ducking forward from the Z=313 shot that hit JFK in the head, listen to his description of how he was thrown forward as he was shot in the back.

A interview with Connally describing how he was shot

As you listen to Connally's description, the part about how he was hit in the back and thrown forward by the force of the bullet agrees with the Z=325 shot to Connally's back scenario very well, but then Govenor Connally goes on to describe how he then hears the fatal shot to JFK's head.

One of the reasons that this issue has been so confusing for so long is that many of the witnesses only got parts of what they said correct. Governor Connally, for example, did not see the head shot to President Kennedy as he was looking forward as he was turning to look over his left shoulder but he clearly says in his interview clip that JFK was shot after his back wound was received. Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman says he heard one shot followed by 3-5 seconds then two shots, bang-bang. Kellerman argues with Specter later trying to reason there had to be more shots than three but Kellerman never says he heard more than three. The shots Kellerman identifies are number 3, 4 and 5. Shot 3 fragments and hits both JFK and wounds Connally in the left leg with a bullet fragment, shot 4 is the fatal head shot at Z=313, and shot 5 is the shot to Connally's back at Z=325.

And later when other details are explained, the actual killers will be exposed. No investigation could get this so wrong without some serious arm twisting.


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To: BILL_C; Admin Moderator

If you can't answer a simple question, you can't answer anything about the assassination. Nothing. You're a waste of bandwidth.
Too bad FR has to put up with crackpots like you ever November. This thread should have been locked at the very start.


381 posted on 11/19/2006 10:34:04 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Simpletons with limited capacity like you should be few and far between and take up far less for others with serious mature ideas.


382 posted on 11/19/2006 10:41:57 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree; Admin Moderator

Accusing our government in the killing of an American president? Accusing a womam like Lady Bird Johnson?

Go back to DU.


383 posted on 11/19/2006 10:52:32 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

There you go again making things up to disguise your inability to comprehend anything complex.
I NEVER made any of the implications you just asserted.
I think you need to grow up just a little.


384 posted on 11/19/2006 10:54:51 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Comeon smartalec show me where I said the government or Lady Bird Johnson did it?
Take your time. Come on you can do it.
Take your time.


385 posted on 11/19/2006 11:07:50 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree

OK, expert, explain how this shooting incident happened from A to Z. Cubans? Mafia? the Government? Crusty the Clown. Who, what, where they were and how the bullets created the wounds. Let's hear it. The exact locations. Who fired the number of shots. What damage the shots created. I need the laughs.


386 posted on 11/19/2006 11:13:18 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Because I have questions doesn't mean Iknow everything.
Your strawman style of arguing is infantile.
If everything doesn't go your way then everyone else is wrong.
Sounds like preschool style reasoning.


387 posted on 11/19/2006 11:16:18 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Comeon shooter tell everyone where I said Lady Bird Johnson killed Kennedy. Or where I said the government did it.
Comeon shooter. You can do it.
Just like everything else you come up with vanishes in a gentle breeze.


388 posted on 11/19/2006 11:38:05 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Comeon shooter you made an accusation now back it up.


389 posted on 11/19/2006 12:01:39 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree

That sentence had a question mark on it.


390 posted on 11/19/2006 12:11:31 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Is that your answer????


391 posted on 11/19/2006 12:12:48 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Which sentence?

Even so does that mean you can't answer?


392 posted on 11/19/2006 12:14:26 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree

So shooter .25 you can't back up what you said.
Just proves that you make things up in an attempt to make your point.
Which means your point has no weight.


393 posted on 11/19/2006 12:35:26 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree

I know your tactic.
When you are found out you just disappear for a while and hope everyone forgets the stupid things you say.
Then you come back and try it again.
Like a five year old hoping the adults forget.


394 posted on 11/19/2006 1:05:36 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree

this repy goes to shooter .25 not me. Hit the wrong button.


395 posted on 11/19/2006 1:07:30 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: smoketree
smoketree wrote:

Because I have questions doesn't mean I know everything.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I've been trying to get that same point across to FR's 'Report defenders' for years now.

None of them have ever been able to explain the discrepancy between the Zapruder film time-line [posted below at #319] and the fact that 3 shots from Oswalds rifle simply do not, and can not be made to correlate:



Explaining the Shooting of Governor John Connally
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1725590/posts?q=1&&page=319


True to form, none of the biggest 'defenders' can or will even try to dispute the above facts. -- 'Case closed', baloney...
396 posted on 11/19/2006 1:13:03 PM PST by tpaine
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To: BILL_C; Shooter 2.5
We have both Nellie and John Connally say John was shot AFTER the first shot hit JFK.

False. John Connally never said he was shot AFTER the first shot hit JFK. He specifically said he did not see JFK after the first shot. Please show the testimony where you think John Connally said that he was shot after the first shot hit JFK or retract your statement.

In fact, Governor Connally's and Mrs. Connally's testimony blows your theory out of the water. It is amazing how you misrepresent their testimony to make it appear their testimony supports your theory. They both unequivocally state that the Governor was shot in the back before JFK was shot in the head. You cannot twist or misinterpret their testimony in any way, shape, or form to supporrt your theory unless you believe they were providing false testimony. Do you believe Governor and Mrs. Connally lied when they testified?

From Governor Connally's testimony to the Warren Commission:

Mr. SPECTER. As the automobile turned left onto Elm from Houston, what did occur there, Governor?

Governor CONNALLY. We had--we had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway, the Stemmons Freeway, to go out to the hall where we were going to have lunch and, as I say, the crowds had begun to thin, and we could--I was anticipating that we were going to be at the hall in approximately 5 minutes from the time we turned on Elm Street. We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt. So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?

Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit. So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear. Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else. I immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap----

Mr. SPECTER. Nellie is Mrs. Connally?

Governor CONNALLY. Mrs. Connally. When she pulled me over into her lap, she could tell I was still breathing and moving, and she said, "Don't worry, Be quiet. You are going to be all right." She Just kept telling me I was going to be all right. After the third shot, and I heard Roy Kellerman tell the driver, "Bill, get out of line." And then I saw him move, and I assumed he was moving a button or something on the panel of the automobile, and he said, "Get us to a hospital quick." I assumed he was saying this to the patrolman, the motorcycle police who were leading us. At about that time, we began to pull out of the cavalcade, out of the line, and I lost consciousness and didn't regain consciousness until we got to the hospital.

...snip...

Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any reaction by President Kennedy after the shooting?

Governor CONNALLY. No; I did not see him.

Mr. SPECTER. Did you observe any reaction by Mrs. Kennedy after the shooting?

Governor CONNALLY. I did not see her. This almost sounds incredible, I am sure, since we were in the car with them. But again I will repeat very briefly when what I believe to be the shot first occurred, I turned to my right, which was away from both of them, of course, and looked out and could see neither, and then as I was turning to look into the back seat where I would have seen both of them, I was hit, so I never completed the turn at all, and I never saw either one of them after the firing started, and, of course, as I have testified, then Mrs. Connally pulled me over into her lap and I was facing forward with my head slightly turned up to where I could see the driver and Roy Kellerman on his right, but I could not see into the back seat, so I didn't see either one of them.

Mr. SPECTER. When you turned to your right. Governor Connally, immediately after you heard the first shot. what did you see on that occasion?

Governor CONNALLY. Nothing of any significance except just people out on the grass slope. I didn't see anything that was out of the ordinary, just saw men, women, and children.

...snip...

Mr. SPECTER. Did you experience any sensation of being struck any place other than that which you have described on your chest?

Governor CONNALLY. No.

...snip...

Mr. SPECTER. In your view, which bullet caused the injury to your chest, Governor Connally?

Governor CONNALLY. The second one.

Mr. SPECTER. And what is your reason for that conclusion, sir?

Governor CONNALLY. Well, in my judgment, it just couldn't conceivably have been the first one because I heard the sound of the shot, In the first place, don't know anything about the velocity of this particular bullet, but any rifle has a velocity that exceeds the speed of sound, and when I heard the sound of that first shot, that bullet had already reached where I was, or it had reached that far, and after I heard that shot, I had the time to turn to my right, and start to turn to my left before I felt anything. It is not conceivable to me that I could have been hit by the first bullet, and then I felt the blow from something which was obviously a bullet, which I assumed was a bullet, and I never heard the second shot, didn't hear it. I didn't hear but two shots. I think I heard the first shot and the third shot.

Mr. SPECTER. Do you have any idea as to why you did not hear the second shot?

Governor CONNALLY. Well, first, again I assume the bullet was traveling faster than the sound. I was hit by the bullet prior to the time the sound reached me, and I was in either a state of shock or the impact was such that the sound didn't even register on me, but I was never conscious of hearing the second shot at all. Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

From Mrs. Connally's testimony to the Warren Commission:

Mrs. Connally: In fact the receptions had been. so good every place that I had showed much restraint by not mentioning something about it before. I could resist no longer. When we got past this area I did turn to the President and said, "Mr. President, you can't say Dallas doesn't love you." Then I don't know how soon, it seems to me it was very soon, that I heard a noise, and not being an expert rifleman, I was not aware that it was a rifle. It was just a frightening noise, and it came from the right. I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the President as he had both hands at his neck.

Mr. Specter: And you are indicating with your own hands, two hands crossing over gripping your own neck?

Mrs. Connally: Yes; and it seemed to me there was--he made no utterance, no cry. I saw no blood, no anything. It was just sort of nothing, the expression on his face, and he just sort of slumped down. Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then there was a second shot, and it hit John, and as he recoiled to the right, just crumpled like a wounded animal to the right, he said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." I never again----

Mr. Dulles: To the right was into your arms more or less?

Mrs. Connally: No, he turned away from me. I was pretending that I was him. I never again looked in the back seat of the car after my husband was shot. My concern was for him, and I remember that he turned to the right and then just slumped down into the seat, so that I reached over to pull him toward me. X was trying to get him down and me down. The jump seats were not very roomy, so that there were reports that he slid into the seat of the car, which he did not; that he fell over into my lap, which he did not. I just pulled him over into my arms because it would have been impossible to get us really both down with me sitting and me holding him. So that I looked out, I mean as he was in my arms, I put my head down over his head so that his head and my head were right together, and all I could see, too, were the people flashing by. I didn't look back any more. The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us. I thought John had been killed, and then there was some imperceptible movement, just some little something that let me know that there was still some life, and that is when I started saying to him, "It's all right. Be still." Now, I did hear the Secret Service man say, "Pull out of the motorcade. Take us to the nearest hospital," and then we took out very rapidly to the hospital. Just before we got to Parkland, we made a right-hand turn, he must have been going very fast, because as he turned the weight of my husband's body almost toppled us both.

If you are going to ignore witness statements, you have to do better than to simply call them unreliable.

Do you believe Governor and Mrs. Connally lied when they testified?

Do you believe that the photos below are fake?


397 posted on 11/20/2006 3:17:51 PM PST by Tares
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To: Tares

Perhaps you should read what you just posted. It clearly says Connally was shot after the first shot. Both Connally's say John was shot AFTER the first shot. John says he heard the first then a pause then he gets hit. He clearly states there was too much time between the first shot and when he got hit for it to be the same shot. Because he didn't hear the second shot doesn't mean it didn't happen.


398 posted on 11/20/2006 5:50:28 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: Shooter 2.5; Admin Moderator; smoketree; mtbopfuyn; Churchillspirit; archy; editor-surveyor; ...
If you can't answer a simple question, you can't answer anything about the assassination. Nothing. You're a waste of bandwidth. Too bad FR has to put up with crackpots like you ever November. This thread should have been locked at the very start.

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INTERESTING!

If you can't answer a simple question, you can't answer anything about the assassination.

No, you apparently misunderstood. I told you I'm NOT going to answer that question yet, how the first 3 shots "happened." That is EXACTLY how the Warren Commission convinced some pretty erudite people that the single bullet theory is credible. These people bought some pretty silly, rediculous theories (I want to use the word comical but I'll be kind).

The argument goes like this, IF THE SINGLE BULLET THEORY IS NOT TRUE, then you have to have multiple shooters and multiple shots. As I've stated previously, "they" got that wrong too. There were only five shots, the police channel audio analysis clearly showed that :-) . And even if you ignore that audio, then there is plenty to show that Connally was shot 0.7 seconds AFTER President Kennedy's fatal head shot.

Now, many people are willing to conceed their thinking and logic to others, we have Television to thank for that, but NOT all of us. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Please explain to me WHY we should believe an investigation that simply fails to explain what many people saw? We simply have an investigation where we have DOZENS of people wrong about what they saw and what they heard OR we have an investigation which was fradulant because the Warren Commission was used by the GUILTY MEN (LBJ and HOOVER) to plant the biggest lie in history right on the front page.

We have on one hand an investigation "theory" that supports a lone gunman firing three shots.

On the other side of the equation we have a "theory" that simply says that the final two shots of a "flurry of shots" were spaced 0.7 seconds apart. The first one, fired from somewhere else than the Texas School Book depository, hit President Kennedy in the head at Zapruder Frame number 313. The second shot of the second group hit Governor Connally in the back at Zapruder Frame 325, 0.7 seconds AFTER Zapruder Frame 313.

NOW, do you believe in just wild coincidences like this, that a witness would describe bang-bang for the last two shots? OR as I showed in the still frames in my post that you can see Connally's head snap downward at Z=325, and you find the same information in an analysis of the Dallas Police radio recording? OR do/can you consider a SIMPLE explanation?

The SIMPLE explanation is that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, 0.7 seconds AFTER President Kennedy's fatal head shot.

You're a waste of bandwidth. Too bad FR has to put up with crackpots like you ever November.

Let's see, FREEREPUBLIC is supposed to be a place where we can let the truth surface with an open forum about ideas and theories, but you advocate censorship that parallels some of the great dictatorships in world history :-)

crackpots like:

Earlier, you called me some other explicatives deleted, thanks for using another one. Are you trying to hurt my feelings?

You see, I've seen some pretty intelligent, serious people buy into this lie, the single bullet theory, and you're just another one. For the FIRST TIME, I am putting what you'd like to call a theory as an alternative idea to the magic bullet theory.

John Connally being shot at Z=325, 0.7 seconds AFTER President Kennedy's fatal head shot, explains MANY of the mysteries shown in clips on the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, the Court TV channel...... For what's approaching one-half century, we've heard BS. The majority of Americans don't believe the Warren Commission, hell, they don't believe much of anything, not even the truth.

You advocate banning this topic from FreeRepublic.com. If I'm right, and I am, this is the most significant topic EVER broken on FREEREPUBLIC, it makes the Dan Rather favorite son story look insignificant by comparison. This is NOT a post that is a shallow "he said, no they didn't" it is instead a post which postulates a simple explanation to one of the biggest "mysteries" in history (hint, it's NOT a mystery, it's a LIE).

IF Connally was hit in the back at Z=325, 0.7 seconds AFTER the fatal head shot to JFK, then you can only conclude that powerful people contolled the investigation. Those people were led by Vice President Johnson and FBI Director FOR LIFE J. EDGAR HOOVER.

It's a simple, easy story to grasp. And there are a lot more facts to support LJB/Hoover, I just introduce the real killers here as I think to UNDERSTAND what happened, you have to consider the power it took to corrupt an investigation of this magnitude. Only the President can pull off someting like this, no one else on Earth has the power.

399 posted on 11/20/2006 10:42:24 PM PST by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history are bound to repeat them!)
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To: smoketree; Tares
You Posted:

Governor CONNALLY. We had--we had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway, the Stemmons Freeway, to go out to the hall where we were going to have lunch and, as I say, the crowds had begun to thin, and we could--I was anticipating that we were going to be at the hall in approximately 5 minutes from the time we turned on Elm Street. We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt. So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back.

Look at the clip from the History Channel, Men Who Killed Kennedy as John Connally describes the shot to his back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-lZNR_yAc

Connally does say he heard JFK shot AFTER the shot to his back, what he says is not consistent, true, but consider that the shots were 0.7 seconds apart and that he was trying to make what he remembered fit into a scenario where the interrogators were fixated on three shots and only three shots. BANG-BANG was NOT possible......

He clearly says that the force of the bullet bent him over.... You never see that until AFTER the fatal shot to JFK's head. You never see Connally covered in blood during his turn from Z=230 all the way to Z=324, Connally starts ducking forward at Z=319 which is his reaction to the shot at Z=313. Yes, he got the order wrong about the Z=313 shot and the Z=325 shot, but he did describe being driven forward. Look at the clip of Connally being driven forward just as he described, it starts at Z=325.

When I presented this to Dr. Wecht, I actually thought at that time that John Connally was shot in the back at Z=319 which is the time that Connally starts to move forward, and I couldn't explain the difference between a Z=319 shot and the Z=325 shot as shown by the Accoustical Analysis.

IT's simple now, Connally was ducking just as the two Secret Service men are seen ducking in the front seat of the limo. As Connally is ducking forward, he is hit in the back which is the exact time we see his head collapse downward. I showed a few frames of Connally before and after Z=325 in the original post which showed his head snap downward. This is the first time this head snap downward has ever been identified to my knowledge. Dr. Wecht, for instance, had never seen this either.

Virtually everyone had assumed the "action" was over by Z=313.

And this ducking forward by the three men in front is not due to the braking of the car, IF you look at Jackie Kennedy, she does not move forward during that brief interval.

400 posted on 11/20/2006 11:28:41 PM PST by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history are bound to repeat them!)
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