Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C
It’s fall, the temperature is falling, the leaves are turning and with November here, we have some repeats to watch on the cable networks.
The History Channel will show one of their favorites, ABC’s documentary “Beyond Conspiracy” featuring Peter Jennings and a computer animation which shows a bullet that hit President Kennedy’s back four inches below his collar but then the bullet allegedly exited his neck after nicking the upper part of the knot of his tie, and then it goes down at approximately a 25 degree down angle to hit Governor Connally in his back. It’s amazing what computers can show.
We’ll also most likely see the Discovery Channel’s explanation of the assassination in “Beyond the Magic Bullet.” This show also features Dale Meyers’ computer animation, the same one used in “Beyond Conspiracy.” The show goes beyond the previous documentary as the producers go to Australia to get an expert shooter to attempt to duplicate the magic bullet, the shot that hit both JFK and Governor Connally. The shots they fire are aimed at figures composed of material which act like human muscle and bone when a bullet is fired into them.
Both of these shows think they proved the magic bullet theory is true.
Watch the digitized and stablilized Zapruder Film
The Closeup Zapruder Film with Frame #
For over 40 years we’ve heard and seen documentaries which talk about strange details in the JFK assassination investigation and reports. We first had the Warren Commission appointed by President Johnson with the main purpose to show that a lone gunman fired three shots at the limousine and wounded JFK, Governor Connally and a bystander too. We then had the House Subcommittee on Assassinations investigation in 1978 which investigated additional evidence in part because the Zapruder film was first shown to the American public on night TV in 1975. One of the newer pieces of evidence was the finding that the Dallas Police radio channel recorded a stuck open microphone during the time of the assassination and may have actually recorded the actual gunshots.
In 1991 the movie “JFK” again ignited the public’s curiosity about the assassination with “back and to the right” along with witnesses saying they saw another gunman. The government again responded and gave us the Records Review Act which released even more information about the murder. In 1997, the Zapruder film was digitized and now we can see even more details in the film. And in 2001, a statistical analysis was published concerning the Dallas Police recording with the finding there were five shots captured by the recording. A gunshot and it’s reflections off objects is like a fingerprint in that it’s fairly unique and dependent on where the shooter is and where the microphone is that captured the sounds, and the objects such as buildings that the sounds reflect off of.
Although we’ve heard about “discrepancies” for years in documentaries such as the “Men Who Killed Kennedy,” we’ve also had some documentaries disappear from the airways as the History Channel found them not to be accurate such as the “Guilty Men”, a documentary that fingered Vice-President Johnson and other cronies in a Texas murder ring.
The story in my opinion will not die as so many of the “facts” don’t seem to fit reality. We need to see something that makes sense.
Last year I met with one of the best known critics of the Warren Commission. I showed Dr. Cyril Wecht that one assumption made in the killing had led virtually everyone to make incorrect conclusions in the case. That assumption is that all of Governor Connally’s wounds were caused by one bullet when in fact Governor Connally was wounded by two separate shots which were both fired from the Texas School Book Depository. Dr. Wecht’s questions and observations led me to do more research which I’m still working on.
But what I want to show you today is when Governor Connally was wounded, something that has never been shown correctly on any of the documentaries or in any of the books that I’ve reviewed. You see, experts such as Dr. Wecht have been arguing about what did not happen. Instead, let’s show you what actually did happen.
To do that, I think the best place to start is with the last shot.
To briefly familiarize you with the Zapruder Film frame numbers, Z frame number 313 will be called Z313. The following are a few major frame numbers for familiarization.
Z=133 We first see the Limo in the film
Z=160 Some theorize the first shot from the Texas School Book Depository, we see Gov. Connally’s head movement to the right shortly afterwards
Z=220 We first see President Kennedy emerge from behind the sign, clutching his throat and obviously wounded
Z=223 Governor Connally reacts to his first wound
Z=220 to Z=324 Governor Connally turns to look over his shoulder toward what he thinks are gunshots
Z=313 We see the fatal shot to President Kennedy
Z=325 Governor Connally is hit in the back and driven forward
With the film speed of 18.3 frames/second, things happened quickly, too quick for 1960’s technology and the lack of accurate information they had to extract the truth. What we can see now in individual frames captured and edited was not possible even a few years ago when everything was analogue. And of course, nobody looked at Governor Connally closely after JFK's head shot at Z=313. Most everyone was sure all the serious action was over.
To those of you who remember the basic scenarios of the Warren Commission and the other numerous theories, the descriptions shown above concerning Connally’s wounds are new. And as I’ll show you, it isn’t a theory, it’s the only times Governor Connally could have been wounded in the eight seconds from the first shot until the last was fired.
With literally thousands of books and hour after hour of documentaries on what must surely be the most investigated murder in history, at this time let’s concentrate on Governor Connally’s wounds. Once you understand the only way possible that Governor Connally could have been wounded based on the facts we have, then not only can we understand how both men were wounded, it will once and for all reveal how the Guilty Men pulled this off.
The first question concerns the last shot shown above at Z=325. The Warren Commission concluded the last shot was the fatal head shot at Z=313 but was faced with testimony such as one of the best witnesses, Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman who sat in the Limo directly in front of Governor Connally. During his Warren Commission testimony, Kellerman spoke of the ending of the shooting as a “flurry” of shots. When pressed for how many, he said two. He described the spacing of the last two shots as bang-bang. When Arlen Specter pressed him again, he said it was like an airplane breaking the sound barrier (the front of the plane breaks the sound barrier before the rear of the plane, hence you hear bang-bang also).
When Arlen Specter asked the spacing between the first shot and the flurry of shots, Kellerman said three to five seconds.
When we look at the Zapruder film, we see at Z=325 the collapse forward and downward movement of Connally’s head. Looking at the sequence in real time, we see Connally driven quickly forward with his head snapping forward when he is shot. Further confirmation is given when you look at the analysis of the Dallas Police Recording. The difference between the Z=313 shot and the last shot is 0.7 seconds or approximately 12 frames.
We now have a credible witness, a recording, and the best motion picture of the assassination showing agreement that a shot was fired at Z=325.
But listen to a recent explanation of the Zapruder film factoring in the Dallas Police Recording. The reasons for Dr. Thomas' confusion and his trying to cling to the Warren Commission's are easily explained, but I'll leave that for later. Listen to the description of the last shot, "fired almost simultaneously" but they didn't even look to see what it might have done.
The Zapruder Film and the Dallas Police Recording per the Main Stream Media
A Warren Commission supporter will tell you that Governor Connally could not have been shot after Kennedy was shot because his leg wound does not line up with the shot trajectory through his body and through his right wrist. And, of course, there were only three bullets fired from the TSBD.
The hole in their argument is that Connally was indeed wounded earlier by a bullet fragment which entered Governor Connally’s leg. And note the importance of the fact to this investigation that it was a bullet fragment, not an intact bullet. That Connally was hit by a bullet fragment to his left leg is well documented but many of today’s documentaries incorrectly describe that the left leg wound was caused by an intact bullet which then fell out of his leg later at the hospital.
Three bullet fragments were found under Nellie Connally’s seat (CE840), who sat directly to the left of Governor Connally. It’s therefore credible that the bullet fragment that John Connally’s left leg is from the CE840 shot.
To test this “theory” against the Warren Commission’s, I took some of the better known observations in the JFK assassination list and compared the Z=325 scenario against the Warren Commission scenario. This is a quick way to see how facts fit against both theories.
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Observation
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Warren Commission Three Shots |
Z=325 Shot to Connally’s back |
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Connally turns in his seat and looks back at JFK Z=230 to Z=324 |
No (1) |
Yes |
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Connally holds hat in his hand until at least Z=325 |
No |
Yes |
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Nellie and John Connally both said John Was shot after JFK’s first wound (3) |
No |
Yes |
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Connally falls forward as he describes in later Interviews when he is shot |
No |
Yes |
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Three shots were fired from the TSBD |
Yes |
Yes |
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Several Witnesses saw shooter(s) at the Grassy Knoll |
No |
Yes |
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Agrees with Dallas Police Recording |
No |
Yes |
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Kellerman Described “flurry of shots” |
No |
Yes |
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JFK and Connally both react to Z=222 shot |
Yes |
Yes |
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Connally bullet left wide scar to his back like the bullet was tumbling |
Yes (4) |
No |
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Bullet to JFK’s back did not have a point of exit (5). |
No |
Yes |
(1) If seriously wounded at approximately Z=220, this turn would be incredible for a man wounded so seriously.
(2) Connally’s right wrist is allegedly broken by the shot at Z=220, it’s not reasonable to believe he could hold his hat for over 5 seconds
(3) Both Nellie and John Connally were actually very sure he was not wounded by the same bullet that first struck JFK. At a showing of the Zapruder film, John Connally guessed that he was wounded closer to Z=238. If the Dallas Police recording is valid, there is no shot fired at that time. Roy Kellerman’s testimony also stated that it was 3-5 seconds before the last two shots after the first.
(4) The Single Bullet supporters such as Dr. Latimer use this as support that the bullet which hit Gov. Connally in the back struck something else first. Experimental shots show that a bullet passing through tissue like JFK’s upper body tends to roll over; hence the wider scar that was left in Gov. Connally’s back. This is not proof, however, that the bullet struck something else before it entered John Connally’s back.
(5) FBI agent O’Neal described the autopsy discovery of the bullet wound to Kennedy’s back and then said no point of exit was discovered by probing with both the doctor’s finger and instruments.
The above table indicates based on some of the information commonly discussed concerning the assassination that the Z=325 scenario has merit. When you look at the location of the shot to JFK’s back (four inches below the collar) and the fact that after exiting his neck, the bullet next has to be traveling at a 25 degree down angle; this is probably the major reason the single bullet theory has been so disbelieved.
Is that enough of an introduction? I’ll tell you later the rest of the story as for this to be credible, there had to be at least six shots with three different shooters according to one of the doctors involved in the Warren Commission investigation. But as I’ve shown so far, Governor Connally’s left leg wound was caused by a bullet which fragmented and hit both JFK and Governor Connally.
That reduces to five shots and three different shooters, three shots from the TSBD and two shots from the front of the limo, fired by two different shooters. And funny thing is, there were witnesses who saw them!
To give you a hint about the rest of the story, in Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House” he discusses a conversation with JFK aid Kenny O’Donnell who said he was quite sure there were two shot fired from the front. O’Donnell also tells why he did not tell the Warren Commission what he saw and heard when he testified.
The cover-up and the misinformation supplied by the government is as interesting as the shooting analysis itself. You see, for the government to get the investigation this wrong with testimony so clear, there had to be some interesting arm twisting going on. Arlen Specter, do you even today have a clue what you did? And Gerald Ford, the lone surviving member of the Warren Commission, you have to know something, don’t you? Or did both of you keep your heads buried in the sand as you were manipulated by the Guilty Men? The truth is buried in a Conspiracy of Silence, just like Dr. Crenshaw said in the first book I read on the subject.
And how could the major news media keep getting this so wrong? "We" will deal with you later.
If you check Tip O’Neal’s book, “The Man of the House”, you’ll see that he talks about Kenny O’Donnell’s description in the book of two shots that were fired from the front. Since O’Donnell was in one of the cars behind JFK’s, he had a unique position and describes later to Tip O’Neal why he did not tell what he saw correctly to the Warren Commission.
Now let’s look at the individual frames and see Connelly’s head snap downward immediately after the bullet hits him in the back. I drew a white line through the back of his head in each frame to make the rapid movement of his head clearer. This is the first time to my knowledge that this head movement has been documented. With 18.2 frames per second, it would be virtually impossible for Connally’s head to collapse without an external force.
Z=324
Z=325 
Z=326 
Z=327 
Z=328 
Now that you see in just a couple of frames how Governor Connally's head rolled down as he was ducking forward from the Z=313 shot that hit JFK in the head, listen to his description of how he was thrown forward as he was shot in the back.
A interview with Connally describing how he was shot
As you listen to Connally's description, the part about how he was hit in the back and thrown forward by the force of the bullet agrees with the Z=325 shot to Connally's back scenario very well, but then Govenor Connally goes on to describe how he then hears the fatal shot to JFK's head.
One of the reasons that this issue has been so confusing for so long is that many of the witnesses only got parts of what they said correct. Governor Connally, for example, did not see the head shot to President Kennedy as he was looking forward as he was turning to look over his left shoulder but he clearly says in his interview clip that JFK was shot after his back wound was received. Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman says he heard one shot followed by 3-5 seconds then two shots, bang-bang. Kellerman argues with Specter later trying to reason there had to be more shots than three but Kellerman never says he heard more than three. The shots Kellerman identifies are number 3, 4 and 5. Shot 3 fragments and hits both JFK and wounds Connally in the left leg with a bullet fragment, shot 4 is the fatal head shot at Z=313, and shot 5 is the shot to Connally's back at Z=325.
And later when other details are explained, the actual killers will be exposed. No investigation could get this so wrong without some serious arm twisting.
But that applies to any Carcano/Terni rifle, not the 91/38 Fucile Corto s/n C2766 allegedly used in the JFK shooting. What is it that makes THAT particular model and individual rifle different from thousands of others similar to it, but far from the same?
Specifications
The primary distinction between the models/sub-models/variants is made by the year of manufacture (indicated on the barrel up to roughly mid-1943), length, and the bayonet mounting. The table below shows the specifications for the models/sub-models/variants:
Specifications for Common Carcano Rifles Model Caliber (mm) Twist Type Sights (m) Weight Length (cm) Bayonet Adjustable Battle Fixed Barrel Overall 91 Fucile 6.5x52 Carcano Gain 450-2000 300
8 lb. 7 oz. 78 128.5 Detachable 91 Cav. 6.5x52 Carcano Gain 450-1500 300
6 lb. 14 oz. 45 91.3 Attached/Folding 91 T.S. 6.5x52 Carcano Gain 450-1500 300
6 lb. 8.5 oz. 44.9 92.2 Detachable 91/24 T.S. 6.5x52 Carcano Gain 450-1500 300
6 lb. 8.5 oz. 45.2 92.1 Detachable 91/28 T.S. 6.5x52 Carcano Gain 450-1500 300
6 lb. 13 oz. 45.7 91.5 Detachable 38 Fucile Corto 7.35x51 Carcano Fixed
200 7 lb. 9 oz. 53.5 101.8 Detachable/Folding 38 Cav. 7.35x51 Carcano Fixed
200 6 lb. 9 oz. 44.7 91.5 Attached/Folding 38 T.S. 7.35x51 Carcano Fixed
200 6 lb. 10 oz. 45.1 91.5 Detachable 91/38 Fucile Corto 6.5x52 Carcano Fixed
200 7 lb. 7 oz. 53.8 101.8 Detachable/Folding 91/38 Cav. 6.5x52 Carcano Gain 450-1500 200 200 7 lb. 44.6 91.5 Attached/Folding 91/38 T.S. 6.5x52 Carcano Gain
200 6 lb. 6 oz. 45.9 92.7 Detachable 91/41 Fucile 6.5x52 Carcano Fixed 300-1000 200
8 lb. 8 oz. 69.2 116.8 Detachable 38 S Cav. 8x57 IS Mauser
200 6 lb. 14 oz. 45.6 91.8 Attached/Folding 38 S T.S. 8x57 IS Mauser Fixed
200 6 lb. 10 oz. 45.2 92.1 Detachable Tipo I 6.5x50 Japanese Fixed 400-2400 300 ?
8 lb. 12 oz. 78.1 128.9(Long)
126.4(Short)Detachable Arisaka bayonet
Don't have audio at work, I'll listen to it later.
Not the one used in the JFK assassination? Not C2766? Are you trying to claim the rifle used in the JFK assassination didn't have a split bridge? Then what is the bolt handle doing between the bridges?
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html
bttt
Your timing data for Gov. Connolly's reaction to being shot are still based upon Dr. D.B. Thomas' mistaken (negligently or deliberately) synchronization based upon the Zapruder film and your own misguided belief based upon the impeached Dictabelt 10 data. What's you're doing here is saying 'Even if you ignore the first thing I said, let me say the same thing another way and present it again as supporting evidence'.
REPLY:
Your post #299 was well written and very well thought out, but of course, we disagree. I wanted to respond to each point and maybe persuade you to consider that just maybe you have been deceived by our government for purposes you don't believe are possible.
You believe that the scenario that I have written about is impossible and was based primarily on the Dallas Police Department Dictabelt recordings recordings of the police channels used for the motorcade Nov. 22, 1963. Actually, I did NOT first believe that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325 because of the Dictabelt analysis, I had instead first noticed that the only time Connally's movements match ANYTHING like he says when he was hit in the back was at Z=325. When I was reviewing the audio analysis one day and I realized the last two shots cooresponded perfectly with the scenario of a shot to JFK's head at Z=313 and then a shot to Connally's back at Z=325, I then said BINGO. I already knew that the Zapruder film strongly supported Connally's back shot after JFK's fatal head shot, I already knew that several witness' statements supported Connally's back shot at Z=325, but when I saw that the audio analysis ALSO supported the same shot spacing, there was now too strong a coorelation to ignore the Dictabelt recording.
Now, even if you don't believe the Dr. Donald Thomas'dictabelt recording analysis, there is still ample evidence to suggest that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325. The dictabelt came under "attack" after the House Subcommmittee of Assassinations Committee on Assassinations left that scenario of two shooters shot two shots less than a second apart. Other "experts" said that the audio analysis of the recording caught nothing but noise and that "hold it hear" was spoken about a minute after the assination shots were fired. So who was right?
Dr. Thomas analyzed the information and did a statistical analysis of the information. Now we all know statistics can lie, and frequently do, but as an investigator who really wants to know the truth, I firmly believe you have to analyze all the information and UNDERSTAND what it's telling you. Dr. Thomas took a known time stamp and analyzed it FORWARD in time and concluded the "shots" on the recording were at the correct time, the other observation of "hold it here" proved just the opposite conclusion. The dictabelt was a crude device for even 1963 and had a tendency to write over previous information, it stopped and started when dead spots occurred etc. With these variables, it's impossible to KNOW with ABSOLUTE certainty that the impulses seen on the recording were fired at the right time.
But Dr. Thomas took the data and his statistical analysis showed that there were five shots fired that day, with the last two shots 0.7 seconds apart, which are the ones I'm most interested in. But of significance to me, his statistical analysis also concluded that the odds of random noise producing the impulses seen on the recording were 100,000 to one AGAINST that occurring. Saying it another way, it's highly unlikely you'd see that pattern of impulses on the recording unless they were from gunshots.
In private coorespondence with Dr. Thomas, I told him that I seriously doubted that one piece of data or observation would ever prove anything in the JKF assassination and he agreed with that thought.
But that's one of the reasons why YOU don't know with certainty what happened in Dallas. Experts in this case have become too focused on one aspect of the information and they have failed to integrate it all into one consistent picture. For example the first flurry of books focused on the witnesses' statements vs. the Warren Commission and the conspiracy continued on, nothing proven, just he said they said for 40 years.
But a great deal of information has been released over the years, and new revelations with the Records Review Act in the 90's are still being analyzed.
But to get the RIGHT answer, you have to find a consistent story between the physical evidence, the witness' statements, the photographs, the movie films.... For example, just because the autopsy photographs show no significant damage to the back of JFK's head is not proof either way there was damage. You see, you have two possibilities here,
ONE: The Warren Commission did an above board investigation and the evidence and most conclusions presented are correct OR;
TWO: Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, the Warren Commission presented a huge lie and the reason was the killers were in control of the flow of information. With the number of indications the Warren Commission had, or SHOULD HAVE HAD, is overwhelming to me. Either they were the worse investigators in history OR they were CONTROLLED by corrupt individual(s). Prove that Connally was shot at Z=325, and you remove most doubt about who the killers really were.
What I will show you as I reply to you is that an integrated analysis of that 8 seconds of shooting reveals multiple shooters with a crossfire that killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally.
Discount even the Dictabelt recording and it's still clear; Connally was shot in the back at Z=325.
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But to get the RIGHT answer, you have to find a consistent story between the physical evidence, the witness' statements, the photographs, the movie films.... For example, just because the autopsy photographs show no significant damage to the back of JFK's head is not proof either way there was damage.
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TWO: Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, the Warren Commission presented a huge lie and the reason was the killers were in control of the flow of information. With the number of indications the Warren Commission had, or SHOULD HAVE HAD, is overwhelming to me. Either they were the worse investigators in history OR they were CONTROLLED by corrupt individual(s).
Do you believe that the photo above is a fake?
Do you believe that the photo below is a fake?
All right then. If you think you have all the answers then LET'S HEAR THEM.
Spell out exactly how the assassination happened from the first shooter and the bullet trajectory with damage report to the very last damage report. Step by step.
Location of first shot origin.
First shot trajectory.
First shot damage report.
Location of found projectile.
Location of second shot origin.
So on and so forth.
Let's see how many magic bullets you can arrive at. Let's see how many impossible bullet trajectories you can list.
Let's see how many of your comments make no sense whatsoever.
Take your time.
The GUILTY MEN are LBJ and Hoover. Look at Barr McClellan's book BLOOD MONEY.... and he has ONE THING right, and that' the finger print found in the sniper's nest that belonged to Mac Wallace, a killer that ties directly to LBJ. His book and TV documentary came out in 2003.
Also, if you believe that Connally was indeed shot in the back after the fatal Z=313 shot to JFK's head, then either these were the most idiotic investigators in the world to get this so wrong, or the FIX was in. Hoover and Johnson were the only ones in the world who could have screwed up such a simple investigation. One of the best witnesses told the Warren Commission repeatedly he heard the last two shot, BANG-BANG. The Dallas Police Recording analysis says the last two shots were 0.7 seconds apart. The Connally's both said John was NOT shot by the first shot that hit JFK. Nellie said the bullet could not "have hung in the air" for seconds before hitting John......
It will soon be obvious, LBJ and Hoover.
Spell out exactly how the assassination happened from the first shooter and the bullet trajectory with damage report to the very last damage report. Step by step.
Let's HEAR THEM? Let's see, the title of my presentation is clearly and simply explaining the wounds of Governor Connally. I did that simplistically but you reject even the most obvious points.
I have presented for the first time that I'm aware of a scenario which is consistent with many of the "unexplainable" observations by witnesses. Take some time and it will all make sense.
My presentation included the head snap DOWN of Governor Connally beginning at Z=325. This is the FIRST TIME this head movement has ever been documented publically to my knowledge (I did this on FREEREPUBLIC for a reason). As you probably know, the Zapruder film was shot at 18.2 frames/second. For rough math, that's about 1 inch movement for each frame equals 1 mph. Assuming that Connally was shot approximately 5 seconds earlier at around Z=220, then for over 5 seconds Connally turns in his seat and looks over his shoulder. Then you believe apparently all of a sudden at Z=325 Connally crashes forward, his head moves several inches in one frame (which is several miles per hour) in a direction it wasn't moving before in the previous frames.
And then you ignore the FACT that the secret service man (Roy Kellerman) sitting directly in front of John Connally said in his testimony that he heard BANG-BANG when the last shots were fired.
Then coincidentally, we have a Dallas Police Radio recording which shows 2 shots 0.7 seconds apart at the right spacing from the earlier shots that were fired. I recognize we have TWO sets of experts, one set says the recording actually captured the shots and another set of experts said NO, they did not. It doesn't take a genius to realize that IF I have TWO sets of opinions about the validity of the recording, and both have their merits, BUT if you later find that another observation has the right spacing of shots (in time) to validate the scenario, then any reasonable person would conclude we have two diverse observations which say the same thing: The recording captured the shots and there were FIVE SHOTS.
If you choose to reject that analysis, then you are forced to conclude there were a lot of people telling lies and falsehoods OR we have a simple explanation: The Vice-President arranged for the killing and the FBI Director fed BS to the Warren Commission. No one else in the world could have pulled this off.
It's not complicated any more, in fact, it's obvious that Johnson is the man.
Now as far as explaining the first three shots in detail, that's "easy" to do but IT'S CHAPTERS in a book, NOT paragraphs.
From the orderly at Parkland who said the bullet found there was NOT on Connally's stretcher, to the two witnesses at Parkland who said Jack Ruby was there, to the people who said they saw a gunman and/or smoke from in front of the limo to the staff doctors and nurses who saw a large hole in the back of JFK's head, we have a Warren Commission report which chose to ignore these eye witnesses. And, of course, as knowledgable as you are about the assassination, you know that there were MORE witnesses who had observations which invalidated the Warren Report.
You chose to believe an obviously fradulant investigation report because it has the backing of the U.S. Governmentas it is a measure of our government's integrity. I've presented this scenario in presentations to hundreds of people and I remember one retired senior military officer who refused to believe black and white. He had seen wounded in Viet Nam do unbelievable things, that's how he explained Governor Connally turning in his seat after Z=230 and showing NO SIGNS of a chest wound. He ignored the head snap downward at Z=325 which no reasonable person could believe he could(IMHO). He ignored everything except what the Warren Commission report said.
I submit you're doing the same thing. You have chosen to believe the biggest lie in history and it's about to go down in flames along with silly books like Possner's and many others. And don't forget the History Channel in the next few days!.
Like Ruby said right before his death, "it goes to the top."
You sir, are such an ass. You still haven't explained a single thing except repeat hearsay from unreliable witnesses.
Read my post again. I asked for a complete breakdown of where the "shooters" were. What was the trajectories? What was the damage those bullets created or what the results of those bullets. Step by step.
Theories and crackpots always claim there were shooters to the front, back, sideways and upside down but they never explain where those shooters were and how they escaped detection from bystanders and police who were stationed within twenty feet. Crackpots never explain how bullet trajectories go over people, cracked windshields, curbs, through trees and up and over automobiles.
Crackpots never explain how their magic bullets penetrate two inches of flesh and simply disappear.
Crackpots?
I understand you can't comprehend the obvious. The information I put here on FREEREPUBLIC is the first time it's ever been shown to the public.
It's not wrong, it's simple and it's obvious. LBJ and Hoover pulled this off in the biggest lie in history. Connally was the last person shot that day, and it happened at frame Z=325.
Now, I didn't repeat much of anything, I EXPLAINED simply what happened to John Connally. It's consistent with what the witnesses said, it's consistent with the recording which did capture the sounds of the shooting (this is a unique NEVER BEFORE PUBLISHED confirmation of that fact)and it's consistent with the Zapruder film.
What isn't consistent with much of anything is the fairy tale called the Warren Commission. Dr.Thomas' analysis concluded the odds were 100,000 to 1 against random noise producing those impulses which looked like gunshots. Couple that with those sounds were unique on the whole recording then factor in the last noises were 0.7 seconds apart, then you get odds that rediculous. A reasonable person can only come to one conlusion, bang-bang.
Call me an ass, call me anything you want but get prepared to understand the government lied in 1963 and they've lied ever since then. It's simple now, 1960s technology against today's information.
By the way, I normally open up a presentation with a Lincoln quote, You can fool all the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
I know what you asked for but you argue about the simple part, when Connally was shot. Some of the other stuff requires some thinking.
Regards
Why are you wasting time on shooter.25?
He has a learning disability and compensates by asking absurd questions.
You can have the most solid reason and he still won't see it because his brain is past it's capacity.
I am interested in your theory and I'm getting tired of seeing information repeated over and over for that simpleton.
I believe your analysis is correct.
The bullet in the curb should shout that there were more than than three shots as well as the movement of JFK's head with the "frontal" shot.
You forgot to ask where the bazooka was.
Another question for you since you were there.
You just implied that if the scenario was differnet than what you think then it was a war zone. So you are saying that shots were fired back at the shooters which is what a war zone would be. Shots in one direction is an assassination. Shots in two directions would be a war zone. Or are you saying that if there actually was more than one then others were shooting back?
I realize anything complex is beyond your capacity but saying it was either your way or a war zone shows emotional problems in understanding complex thinking. You are exactly what the government wants, someone who will believe anything they put out.
Or maybe you are a gov. propagandist trying your best to prop up a huge lie.
The emperor has no clothes, right?
Do you believe shots were fired in both directions?
Yet, after being involved with nearly murdering the governor, John, Nellie, Lady Bird and Lyndon continued being the very best of friends until the day they died (yes, Lady Bird is still very much alive and well). Nope, your dog don't hunt.
REPLY: Of course that's why John Connally switched to the Republican Party. :-)
You know, of course, that John Connally was involved in box 13, the original fradulant election that got Johnson elected in the first place.
In a private conversation later on, John Connally said to someone that he loved his country too much and would NEVER say publicly what he thought happened. That doesn't prove a thing, of course, it just explains to a reasonable person what John Connally MIGHT have thought privately.
You see, I'm quite convinced that Dr. Crenshaw's book, CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE hit the nail right on the head. You are taking a Possner type position, they remained the best of friends......
Listen to the tapes of LBJ calling Jackie Kennedy after he had arranged the killing of her husband in a second rate third world coup, it's enough to make you sick. There was nothing difficult to understand about it, it's just that LBJ had a democratic party controlled House of Representatives and Senate and a murderous pervert as FBI director who controlled the investigation of the murder.
The REAL PURPOSE of the Warren Commission was to remove doubt that the person witht the most to gain from the killing of JFK had no involvement. LBJ would be AMAZED that the lie survived this long.
Well I look at it is NOT a theory, it's an OBVIOUS fact.
Look at the timing between the last two shots: The best witness in the limo says BANG-BANG (Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman, look at his Warren Commission testimony, read about him arguing there had to be more than three shots....).
The best analysis of the Dallas Police Recording says 0.7 seconds between the two shots.
The Zapruder film click shows a DRAMATIC change in the direction of John Connally's head, from forward to DOWN in one frame (with 18.2 frames/second). That frame, Z-325 is 0.7 seconds AFTER the fatal head shot to JFK.
"They" hid the Zapruder Film from the public all the way until 1975 when it was shown on Television with a BS explanation that it was too "something" for the public to view . The public raised so much hell that the House Subcommittee on Assassinations had to bury this again, but Gary Mack brought the Dallas Police channel radio recording to the committee and unfortunately for the GUILTY MEN, it's just another nail in their coffin.
The idiotic explanations continue to this day when what actually happened is pretty simple. The conspirators, Hoover and LBJ had set up Lee Harvey Oswald well, but a lot of things went very wrong that day. We call them "conspiracy theories" but simply it's a matter of the integrity of the US Government on the line. They'll never admit it, they can't, the lies are too deep. And you can fool some of the people all the time.
The way the game has been played is simple, if you don't believe the Warren Commission's Single Bullet Theory, then you have an undefendable position of six shots would have had to have been fired.... So the "panel" bought into silliness like the single bullet theory as the alternative is unbelievable.
Now these are lawyers, doctors and others (who couldn't work a first order differential equation if their life depended on it) who even got that part wrong.
If you look at my writeup and look at the link to Connally's description of the shot to his back, he says "the blow was of such force that it bent me over....."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-lZNR_yAc
You only see John Connally bent over starting at Z=319 when he and the TWO secret service agents in the front seat are ducking in reaction to the fatal shot to JFK's head. I have had others say to me that the three men are being moved in response to the limo braking at that time, but look at Jackie Kennedy at the same time and she does NOT move like the others do, she remains erect.
But the difference between John Connally and the two secret service agents in front of him is that at Z=325, Connally's head collapses when he is shot in the back. And then he collapses into his wife's lap as she pulls him over.
We can see Connally collapse at Z=325 in the Zapruder Film.
We have both Nellie and John Connally say John was shot AFTER the first shot hit JFK.
We have Roy Kellerman say that the last two shots were BANG-BANG.
We have the Dallas Police Recording analysis identify the last two shots were 0.7 seconds apart.
You can see it in the Zapruder film, a very credible witness heard it, Connally describes it, and the physical evidence supports it (I'm speaking of John Connally's wounds).
Either a lot of people were mistaken about what they saw, heard, felt...... OR the investigation was a fraud which meant powerful people were involved, which means that LBJ and HOOVER were involved (my opinion, of course). But I'm not alone there, of course, LBJ should have been the prime suspect from day one.
As I've mentioned before, I've presented this to hundreds of people. Would you be interested in reviewing a DVD I've put together?
1.Position of First shooter. [__________]
And so on to list all the shooters and projectiles which would make Dealy Plaza sound like a war zone.
There you go. Really easy. But since have no idea what you're writing about, you won't be able to put down any information without writing about invisible shooters, invisible bullets and impossible trajectories. Have at it.
I can remember at least "one" of those "unreliable witnesses" as you describe them as calling it just that, a war zone. I'll look for the quote for you.
The reason this silliness has gone on for so long is that the GUILTY MEN convinced the Warren Commission that when Connally was shot in the back AFTER JFK's fatal head shot, that IF Connally was shot at that time, then there had to be a total of six shots and multiple shooters. They said that Nellie Connally pulled John over into her lap, but as any fool can see in just the few frames I posted, that doesn't and can't explain John Connally's head snap down. What explains it is the bullet hitting him in the back at frame Z=325, which drove him forward EXACTLY as he described it.
You see, liars such as the men in charge of this investigation love to have the latitude of ignoring witnesses.
If you've ever been involved in a real investigation, you'd know that to the RIGHT answer, you have to make ALL of your information sources jive together, in short, everything has to make sense, even those things you choose to catagorize as incorrect.
What was done by the Warren Commission was to simply ignore any of the witnesses that didn't support their basic premise: One gunman firing three shots from behind.
You of course know there were witnesses who were NOT called to testify at the Warren Commission hearings who INSISTED shots came from behind them.
If you are going to ignore witness statements, you have to do better than to simply call them unreliable. That tactic may be good enough for you but it's not good enough for the majority of Americans who say in poll after poll that they believe the assassination was a conpiracy.
For the first time, there is a credible alternative to the single bullet theory. And as I've shown to any reasonable person, the Z=325 shot to Connally's back fits the facts but the single bullet theory does not.
Remember, the basis for that statement is IF the Z=325 scenario is correct, then the Warren Commission's findings and all "evidence" held by the government must be questioned as LBJ and HOOVER were fighting to keep from being executed for murder and to remain in power, only their rules counted.
We have lots of ordinary Americans who said they saw X with a government investigation saying they didn't. The simple explanation is the government investigation was corrupt as it would take just two powerful men to pull it off, LBJ and Hoover.
I'll talk about the first three shots after it becomes painfully obvious that Connally was shot in the back at Z=325, which proves conspiracy and will remove all doubt about the identity of the killers. Heck, I'll even explain again where Castro was introduced. It's a really simple story too.
Same thing happened with the gov investigation of TWA Flt 800.
Over one hundred credible witnesses saw streaks going up to the plane before the explosion but were discounted.
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