'It's Here' Says Microsoft; Launches IE 7 Final, Finally

TechWeb ^ | October 18, 2006 | Gregg Keizer

[Echo Talon]

IF something gets forced on me i will find a way to force it off. :)

[ConservativeMind]

You are talking about someone who's installed over 150 networks, with most in WAN environments, even configuring the Cisco routers and setting up the DSU, etc. I know what I'm talking about.

[Golden Eagle]

people that are are that MAD at MS

Most of them will do what they've always done, they'll use the easiest, most compatible, and available products on the market. Which are and will remain, Apple, and of course Micrsoft, which they will use even if they dislike the company, because of the compatibility it offers. Some will use Unix or Linux at home, but with very limited compatibility and user friendliness, not many actually will, even when they claim they do.

[Golden Eagle]

veryone who has the default "Automatic Updates" option chosen will have IE7 forced down, overwriting IE6 next month. They aren't expecting this, as this option has only installed fixes, not new programs with different functions. You are a technical person to even care about reviewing patches. 95% of people aren't like you or me, so their systems will be hit with IE7 one morning without warning. Some website won't work for them. Some systems won't install it right and be frozen without a working browser if IE6 was their only browser.

No argument there, my only complaint has been your insistence everyone was being FORCED to accept this upgrade. I might keep using IE6 myself, I like it a lot and do have the OPTION of keeping it.

[Golden Eagle]

I know what I'm talking about.

Maybe, but it doesn't look like it since you've gone on for 100 posts about how everyone was being FORCED to upgrade to IE7.

Microsoft has to make some hard decisions about security, it is the number one problem for them and their customers. XP SP2 is a FORCED upgrade now I think, since they no longer support XP SP1, all in the name of security. IE7 will eventually be FORCED as well, but not yet, even though everyone will be better off once it becomes the standard. A computer professional such as yourself should be fighting to forward the battle against hackers, not complaining and trying to hold security improvements back.

[ConservativeMind]

The article above states that IE7 will be forced, in just that way, within one month.

[ConservativeMind]

From the thread's main article:

The most controversial aspect of IE 7 has been Microsoft's decision to push the update to all users who have Automatic Updates enabled. Although users can reject IE 7 -- and continue using their current edition of Internet Explorer -- Microsoft will begin rolling out the browser as a "High priority" update next month.

All those who have the reviewing options set for their updates can still refuse, but the rest will all get it crammed down their throats.

[Golden Eagle]

The article above states that IE7 will be forced, in just that way, within one month.

Once again, you're wrong. Support for IE6 will not be cut off like it has been for XP SP1. I will not be FORCED to upgrade, for any reason. I can continue to use IE6 for the foreseeable future, support for it is NOT being discontinued. You're just trying to somehow blame Microsoft for increasing the security of those set to receive all security updates, when that is obviously what those users wanted to begin with, anyway. They are giving these customers exactly what they asked for - increased security - as soon as it has finished testing and is available. The only problem seems to be yours.

[ConservativeMind]

You won't, because you have the reviewing option enabled, but 90% of Windows users don't.

Of course IE6 will still be supported. That's not the issue.

The issue is that 90% of the people who have Windows will be surprised to find that a new browser will have taken over the one they had. And this new one has problems, as others have noted. They can't refuse that which they don't know about.

[Golden Eagle]

90% is a ridiculously high claim, since not one person in this thread expects it to happen to them. Those that will get it automaticaly installed, already selected a previous OPTION to receive the latest security anyway. A more likely estimate is about 20% who may be disapointed with the new, more secure browser that was installed without them even having to worry about it.

[ConservativeMind]

I agree that those who will get it have selected an option that allows Microsoft to automatically install some things.

This thread self-selected technical people about a technical subject in a venue that requires some technical background to post.

If you note, a network administrator invited us to a Windows Update party as he applies the fixes to his otherwise "automatic" patch environment.

There are many, many more computers that 20% of Windows users that have this selected. I would imagine that most don't know what has been selected on their systems or think that any talk of IE7 will mean another optional program requiring a manual visit to Microsoft.com to get, just like with Windows Defender, etc.

People are not expecting a complete program to self-install on their systems, so they won't complain until after its occurred.

This is not unlike what the DUmmies will do when, after their expectations of victory from a series of (what we know to be skewed) polls leave them in defeat. Their expectations are set and they will be surprised.

Microsoft's changing of their policy, for the first time allowing a program to be forced down just like a standard security patch, will create a large number of surprised people.

That has been my only concern from my first post, onward. It will make a lot of people mad at Microsoft who have been okay with them to date. Including me, as I'm going to have to charge a bunch of people to fix the damage for those who have it.

[Golden Eagle]

I clearly said ~20% of customers might be upset for having gotten the upgrade, not that only 20% would receive it. Face it, you're now down to arguing about which fraction of a fraction might even care. The bottom line remains - while it is a mostly good upgrade that definitely increases security, no one is being FORCED to accept it without previously having made a decision to accept security updates.

And no this is nothing new, they've done the same thing with other security upgrades before. If better security doesn't matter to you, then turn off the auto updates, geez it's really not very hard, for anyone. Acting like you're concerned for users and not just trying to bash Microsoft isn't working.

[ConservativeMind]

Why would you think I'm someone who bashes Microsoft? I recommend it over Apple all the time. Linux isn't useful for most users in a home environment.

I've never in my life "bashed" Microsoft. Had an issue or two, yes. Especially after a Microsoft Money problem left my accounting totally locked out. But eventually an upgrade I helped beta fixed it.

I have no idea where you are getting your perspective.

[Golden Eagle]

Why would you think I'm someone who bashes Microsoft?

Because that is all you have done for 100+ posts now? And I'm not defending Microsoft, because they often deserve criticism, I simply said no one is being FORCED to upgrade.

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[ARealMothersSonForever]

I strongly suggest you keep that in mind before making any other absurd statements or questioning the expertise of those of us with actual real world experience in this field.

Do you lease out your field for hunting? I have a few friends that enjoy quail hunting. We make Dick wear 8,000 inches of fluorescent orange and work the dogs. We custom load all of his shells with pecan hulls, and he has actually hit more birds than with that Bismuth crap. That way we can all pound brews and nobody worries. Speaking of absurd, we will not pay any more than $1,500 a gun for the lease.

Thanks, and we look forward to hearing from you.

[zeugma]

I have and do post on other subjects, especially in the past, but someone has to counter all the leftist BS slung on these computer threads these days.

You lying troll. I've looked through thousands of your posts in the past without finding more than one post on a thousand that wasn't directly related to your fixation amply demonstrated on this thread. Others here have noted the exact same thing.

It's almost like you are some kind of robot that has been programmed with 10 stock responses and you hash them over and over and over.
 

[zeugma]

I have and do post on other subjects, especially in the past,

You say this stuff like we're not capable of simply looking at your posting history.

Well, here it is folks, from this evening March of 2006 to tonight (Oct 21, 2006). These are the last 2000 of the trolls posts.

Does anyone else here think it's just a wee bit on the single-minded side? 

The number to the left of the link is the number of posts on that thread, and is sorted from the highest # of posts/thread to the lowest.
120 Microsoft, Linux and Patents 
106 Does Clinton do Linux? 
105 Comrades Open Windows to Linux 
80 Congress readies broad new digital copyright bill 
77 Desktop Linux breakthrough: Lenovo preloads SUSE on ThinkPad 
72 Vista Licenses Limit OS Transfers, Ban VM Use 
67 Oklahoma city threatens to call FBI over 'renegade' Linux maker 
60 Sun puts its weight behind Ubuntu Linux 
59 Red Hat Signs Definitive Agreement to Acquire JBoss 
55 Linux growth 'to outstrip Windows by a factor of 3' (Oracle Estimate) 
49 China beware the big IT capitalist Microsoft 
48 Open source project adds "no military use" clause to the GPL 
48 Don't listen to Bill Gates. The open-source movement isn't communism. 
42 Linux vs. Windows Vista vs. Leopard 
39 The Other Side of the US Lenovo Spy Probe 
34 Open Source Madness! (Firefox "forked") 
32 For All IT Folks: Email Security Using Linux! (Helpful Vanity) 
30 Intel GPLs source for the i965 graphics chip. 
28 'It's Here' Says Microsoft; Launches IE 7 Final, Finally 
27 Linux? Windows? Huh? 
27 Google releases Picasa for Linux -- and 100+ Wine patches 
27 Dell warms to Linux and open source 26 Windows Vista vs. Linux: Why Vista Might Lose the Battle 
24 WinHEC: Microsoft moving to 64 bit only, says Gates(yet another Vista delay) 
23 Group Accuses Massachusetts Government Of Open-Source Bias 
22 Federal Aviation Administration Saves $15 Million by Migrating to Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
22 Hu calls Bill Gates "a friend of China" 
19 Windows Anti-Counterfeit Tool Requires Loosening PC Security 
19 Mr. Dell opens up about Desktop Linux 
18 Congress readies broad new digital copyright bill 
18 Mr Hu sees the future through Bill's Windows 
16 Network neutrality? Welcome to the stupid Internet 
16 Microsoft piracy check comes calling 
15 US court quashes Microsoft bid for IBM documents in EU case ~ could harm U.S. sovereignty 
14 Massachusetts IT Chief Quits, Cites Lack Of IT Funds 14 Linux versus Mac OS X and Windows XP on Intel Dual Core 
13 Department of Defense study urges open source adoption 
13 SCO v. IBM: Major IBM Victory 
13 (vanity) Two more irresistable entries for "Worst Album Art Ever" 
12 Israeli firm abandons purchase over U.S. security objections 
12 The Curious Incident of Sun in the Night-Time ~~ Stallman's comments on Sun Micro & JAVA release 
12 Apple Closes Kernel Source on OSX x86 
12 Linspire Announces 'Freespire' Version of Their Popular Linux Operating System 11 Black Hat with a Vista twist 
11 Google says bill could spark anti-trust complaints ~ Net Neutrality issue 
10 Sun to sink in the west? 
9 Net Neutrality Doomed, Googlers Can't Help 
9 US State Department pulls China-made PCs from secure networks 
9 EU warns Microsoft on Vista (Windows to be banned in Europe?) 
9 Firefox privacy but lets others see where you've been visiting [my title] 
8 Army tones down drill sergeants 
8 Hacker, 21, Gets Almost 5 Years in Prison 
8 Viruses catch up to the Mac. 
8 Rebooting Your Airbus (After All The Screens Go Dark) 8 Bill Introduced in Minnesota to Require Use of "Open Data Formats" 
8 Novell cheers bad news for Microsoft (bad news about Vista) 
8 CNET: Is open source getting to Microsoft? 
8 Free Software Foundation: Free as in "do what I say" 
8 RTOS to fly in F-35 cockpit display 
8 IBM Researchers Set World Record in Magnetic Tape Data Density; 6.67 Billion Bits Per Square Inch 
8 Oracle considers venturing into Linux 
7 How Virtualization Led Microsoft To Support Linux, and Other Tales 
7 Vista Licenses Limit OS Transfers, Ban VM Use 
7 Novell CTO defends 'unstable' Xen claims 
6 Microsoft draws fire for stealth test program 
6 Hackers boot a Dell with Mac OS X (Intel) 
6 Overview of the ten major Linux distributions 
6 Sun to release open-source Sparc designs 
5 SCO: "Summary Judgment Motions: Where the Rubber Hits the Road on Evidence Production" 
5 IE Bug Can Be Exploited Via E-mail 
5 The Hell of Gates Shall Not Prevail (Gates, Buffett, and the Culture of Death) 
5 How the net was lost 
5 US alarm at China's Latin influence 
5 No 100% Transfers of Business in Novell to SC or SC to Caldera 
5 Open source gang forms to battle IBM, BMC and CA 
5 Microsoft to 'host' Linux virtually 
4 Commentary: Two words to remember about Bill Gates: He won 
4 Mexican president calls Senate immigration bill a 'historic vote' 4 Microsoft shares suffer worst hit since 2000 (Stock down 11% today) 
4 Microsoft to invest heavily in China ($3.7 Billion deal, training 10,000 programmers) 
4 Chinese President to Visit Gates Home 
4 Mexico mega-port plan key to 'NAFTA superhighways' 
4 resexcellence.com(mac users) continue the trend of mac-to-linux conversions 
4 Invisible' rootkit heralds trouble ahead 4 Where Vista Fails 
4 Microsoft using Eric S. Raymond's code 
4 Apple unveils software to permit Windows use 3 8/11 Middle East Live Thread 
3 McAfee: Hackers learning from open source 
3 IBM: India and China will help us grow 
3 The Job is Not Finished Until the Red Chinese are out of Long Beach 
3 China's global hunt for oil 
3 US targets Chinese piracy of US goods 
3 China forex reserves worlds biggest, report says 3 Torvalds "fed up" with the FSF 
3 Linux Distribution Chooser 
3 IBM Delivers Lotus Notes for Linux PCs, First Leading Collaboration Environment ...... 
3 Microsoft officially launches paid security product ($49.95 per year) 
3 Sun promises to open-source Java 
3 Don't Think Twice - Just Buy a Mac - Product Review 
3 Native Speaker (Apple to clone Windows XP in next Mac OS X?) 
3 Novell Files Arbitration Request in Paris - The Jacobs Declaration 
2 Did Microsoft guarantee BayStar's investment in SCO? 
2 Army to Encrypt Computers 
2 SCO is Distributing ELF Under the GPL Still. Yes. Now. Today. 
2 Gates: 80 Pct. Chance Vista Ready in Jan 
2 Rebuttal To The Washington Post 
2 The Web's Worst New Idea [Google and Microsoft team up with Moveon.org. ] 
2 Oil prices fall below 72 dollars 
2 Russia Launches Israeli Spy Satellite 
2 Microsoft Official: Malware Recovery Not Always Possible 
2 Hans Reiser(as in the filesystem) has been arrested. 
2 Digging Democracy (Complaints of rigging prompts Digg to change ranking algorithm.) 
2 Windows Vista RC1 Now Available for Everyone 
2 Protecting Windows: How PC Malware Became A Way of Life 2 How Apple and Microsoft are advancing desktop Linux 
2 Can BlackBerry stop RedBerry in China? 
2 Christian endorsement of Free Software increases 
2 Firefox Tweaks, Extensions and Optimizations 
2 Microsoft starts supporting, er, Linux 
1 Fertile women dress to impress (pictures) 
1 North Korea Threatens to Fire Nuclear Missile if U.S. Won't Commit to Talks 
1 Vista to Take Hard Stand Against Piracy 
1 New immigrant(Israel): F22 stealth bomber? 
1 EU Launches Antitrust Probe Against Blu-ray and HD DVD 
1 State Dept. Files on China, NK Hacked 
1 Microsoft Relents to Pressure On OpenDocument Format 
1 Revealing Google Earth Sat Pics of Red Chinese Naval Bases 
1 Mexico's Fox: US Senate immigration reform 'monumental' 
1 Taiwan is inseparable, says China 
1 US pursuing 'very tough' policy on China over democratic reforms:Rice(call it one-party commie land) 
1 US diplomats alerted over Chinese computers 
1 Microsoft: Set your systems for Vista 
1 Bill Gates wishes he wasn't so rich 1 Amazon dumps Google, picks Microsoft 
1 To Jog Your Memory: You Overpaid For PCs 
1 Google's China Problem (and China's Google Problem) 
1 McNealy steps down at Sun 
1 Hanoi - Young Vietnamese flock to Bill Gates 
1 Lenovo: The End of Reliable Notebooks (ChiComs) 
1 Microsoft: Don't Sell PCs Without Operating Systems 1 Google Joins the Lobbying Herd 
1 Pentagon report says Russia gave Iraq intelligence 
1 State Department computer purchase from China draws fire (Again Mr. Bush?) 
1 OpenBSD in financial trouble? 
1 Apple updates security patch (again) 
1 Microsoft Rethinks the Beta Process 
1 Computer Codes Row Threatens 12bn Jet Order (JSF - US/UK) 
1 Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Thirty-Five 
1 Research Looks at How Open Source Software Gets Written - $750,000 grant from NSF 
1 Really Free Software 
1 Is there a future for OpenVZ? 
1 Lenovo rolls out Linux Thinkpad 
1 Learn Linux for free! --- Website 
1 Breaking the Light Speed Barrier by David Sereda 
1 SCO to Unix Developers: Never Mind. Come Back. Want a BMW? 
1 See distros. See distros run. Run, distros, run. 1 IBM gives Microsoft angst with Lotus Notes Office 
1 Xandros seeks its niche as Linux hype wanes 
1 IBM to Acquire Rembo Technology to Automate Software Installation .... PCs and Servers 
1 Firefox continues to gain ground 
1 Is There a Virus Threat for Macs? 
1 Open-source bug hunt results posted 
1 Symantec: Our security savvy will beat Microsoft 
1 Silicon Graphics files for bankruptcy protection 
1 <b>Oracle software stack appeals to users</b> 
1 The hidden benefits of free software 
1 Windows invades Linux territory 
1 OSS project of the week | KOffice 1.5 Released 

[Redcloak]

...some foreign clone of US products like the Knoppix you use...

Is Linux back to being American software again, Tweety?

[Golden Eagle]

You lying troll. I've looked through thousands of your posts in the past without finding more than one post on a thousand

Quite obviously you're still the only one lying, but that's ok, by now we know you just can't help yourself.