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Novell CTO defends 'unstable' Xen claims
www.zdnet.com.au ^ | 11 August 2006 10:15 AM | Steven Deare, ZDNet Australia

Posted on 08/11/2006 6:35:34 AM PDT by N3WBI3

Novell chief technology officer (CTO) Markus Rex has hit back at criticism the company included an "unstable" Xen virtualisation environment in its new Linux server, pointing to support from hardware partners.

At Novell's Sydney office on Thursday, Rex responded to claims by Linux competitor Red Hat that Xen was not stable enough to be deployed in enterprise environments. Novell has claimed to be the first vendor to include Xen in its Linux distribution, SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.

Xen, primarily developed by US-based start-up XenSource, allows users to run multiple operating systems as guest virtual machines on the same hardware.

"If you look at the Xen open source project, we have been the number two contributor during the past 10 months or so to that project. So we've kind of contributed most of the enterprise readiness for the Xen platform," Rex said.

Red Hat only had to look at Novell's launch of its new server for testimony that Xen was enterprise ready, according to Rex.

"We had all the major hardware partners that had virtualisation hardware like IBM, Intel and AMD. They all stood up and said 'Yes, this technology's ready, and we fully support deployments based on Xen and in combination with SUSE Linux Enterprise 10'."

"So I guess the other vendors would not do that if it weren't ready."

Novell had a track record of being the first to expand the Linux platform, while competitors had often claimed the additions weren't ready, he said.

"It's up to each vendor on when to include certain technologies," Rex said.

"We always have been very much on the forefront of technology, so I think it's just fitting that we have been the first ones to integrate Xen."

However, despite its self-proclaimed pace-setter status, Novell has not yet completed rolling out Linux desktops to all its employees. The vendor announced the plans over two years ago.

Rex said the rollout was "still an ongoing process", but that the company was on track with its two year old goals.

"The whole company has been using OpenOffice now for about a year, roughly.

"[This] was the far more painful transition than [changing] the actual underlying operating system because it's the day to day application that you use and it touches all your file formats and everything."

Novell had "80 something percent" of its people with Linux on their desktops, Rex said.

The rollout in Novell China was complete; "most of" Novell Germany was done, and "virtually all" of Novell's technical teams around the world ran Linux on the desktop, he said.

Some Novell staff would still use Windows in addition to Linux on the desktop for certain functions, such as software development, said Rex.

Novell executives also downplayed the recent replacement of the company's chief executive and chief financial officers.

"There have been a couple of different phases inside Novell," said Rex.

"And each of the different phases had its unique needs."

Initially a Windows software company, Novell turned to Linux-based software when it completed the acquisition of SUSE Linux in 2004.

"Now we've reached the next phase. And each of the phases have different people doing the key decisions," said Rex.

"I've been involved with all three phases and I've worked with all three groups of people.

"It was not necessarily so much different ... it's like a constant evolving.

"Whether it's better off or worse off [without former CEO Jack Messman], this is something I cannot really say."

Messman was replaced by Ron Hovsepian, formerly Novell's chief operating officer.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: brassbuzzard; linux; novell; opensource; redhat; trolled
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1 posted on 08/11/2006 6:35:35 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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2 posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:43 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

While I am watching Xen development fairly closely, I am not a big fan of paravirtualization. I'd much rather use true virtualization such as VMware as the guest OS does not require modifications.


3 posted on 08/11/2006 6:47:12 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Yes, but abstracting the hardware completely tends to really bog performance, especially disk I/O. Isn't ESX server a paravirtualization also?


4 posted on 08/11/2006 6:50:28 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: ShadowAce
I am of the same mindset, but bear in mind that you do plop new code into the kernel with VMWare (in the form of drivers) on a VMWare guest OS..
5 posted on 08/11/2006 7:02:12 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: ko_kyi
Yes, but abstracting the hardware completely tends to really bog performance, especially disk I/O.

Actually, I haven't noticed, but my hardware is fairly robust (Laptop with 3.2Ghz Desktop CPU, 1G DDR2 RAM, 120G HDD) so it doesn't slow my machine down noticably. I have noticed that Win2K boots up much faster under my VM than it does on a couple of PIII machines I own.

Isn't ESX server a paravirtualization also?

Not sure, as I don't use the ESX product. I use the Workstation product, which has handled every OS I've thrown at it.

6 posted on 08/11/2006 7:02:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: N3WBI3

Xen is perfectly stable! Except when she gets a snootful, and then she's still predictable. ;)


7 posted on 08/11/2006 7:03:17 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I dub thee Sir Phobos, Knight of Mars, beater of ass.)
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To: N3WBI3
on a VMWare guest OS..

You mean host OS? yeah, you do. But adding and removing a driver is much different than modifying the whole OS for paravirtualization. While there are plusses and minuses for any solution, I think the driver solution for the host OS is preferable. YMMV, of course.

8 posted on 08/11/2006 7:06:52 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

No I mean gues OS, VMWare tools should be installed on any ESX guest OS..


9 posted on 08/11/2006 7:08:45 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

Oh yeah. I forgot about that, since it's basically a one-time issue. You're right. It works the same on the Workstation product as well. From what I can tell, it's mainly used for video and mouse drivers.


10 posted on 08/11/2006 7:12:56 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
since it's basically a one-time issue.

Your supposed to do it every time you patch the kernel..

11 posted on 08/11/2006 7:17:37 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3
I just re-read the title of this article, and it doesn't actually make sense, grammatically.

Novell's CTO is defending claims that Xen is unstable? Or is he defending Xen against the claims of it being unstable (which is what I think is actually meant)?

12 posted on 08/11/2006 7:19:25 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: N3WBI3
Your supposed to do it every time you patch the kernel..

Yeah--I try not to d othat very often as I use this machine for work. Once it's running smooth, I try to to patch the kernel if I can help it.

I will patch it once the updates hit a major version number, but for all these minor updates, I skip them.

I'm currently running 2.6.17-1_2145, while the "current" one is 2.6.17-1_2174. I'll wait until 2.6.18 comes out.

13 posted on 08/11/2006 7:22:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I love the workstation product also - I use it for testing and I run win2K, XP, SUSE destop 10, and NetWare on it.


14 posted on 08/11/2006 8:40:24 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: W3BMAST3R101

I'm using Fedora Core 5--waiting for 6 to come out.


16 posted on 08/11/2006 8:51:04 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: N3WBI3
despite its self-proclaimed pace-setter status, Novell has not yet completed rolling out Linux desktops to all its employees. The vendor announced the plans over two years ago.

Wow, some halfway honest reporting. And posted by noobie even.

17 posted on 08/11/2006 8:57:06 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: W3BMAST3R101
Otherwise it just seems like you're wasting cds. >.>

Ahh--Discover the joys of DVD-RW.... :)

19 posted on 08/11/2006 9:04:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle

if youre too lazy to type n3wbi3, just type n3 (thanks)..


20 posted on 08/11/2006 9:07:34 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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