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"Charm school" helps men perfect the pick-up
Yahoo! News ^ | Mon Aug 14, 8:59 AM ET | Matthew Verrinder

Posted on 08/17/2006 4:42:10 AM PDT by 7thson

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Ben had a rough Friday night picking up women on the Hotel Gansevoort's balcony after being coldly rejected by two attractive blonds.

The 23-year-old documentary filmmaker, who asked his last name not be used for fear of ridicule, suffers from an acute case of "premature ejectulation" -- ejecting himself early from promising conversations with women for fear of rejection.

Such was the diagnosis from the coaches of "Charm School Boot Camp," a three-day crash course on seducing women that Ben and five other men paid $1,600 apiece for in early August.

"If I were to look at it objectively, I would feel really good about it, and then just leave," Ben said.

Ben is not the only man with crippling fears when it comes to chatting up women. That's why Charm School, run by an Ann Arbor, Michigan-based company called Charisma Arts, has no problem finding men who need intense guidance and fieldwork approaching women at places like bookstores and bars.

"People think we're teaching guys with no confidence who are bad with women," said Charisma Arts co-founder Wayne Elise. "We teach guys how to be themselves in a very unnatural environment, how to cold approach strangers and make them comfortable enough to open themselves up."

Charisma Arts runs weekend Charm School seminars in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, London and Sydney. Some students find out about the course from the company's Web site, www.charismaarts.com.

The Charm School's lesson plan stays away from canned lines and instructs men to think on their feet when talking to women, to put their insecurities aside and react naturally to a women's subtle cues, said Johnny Saviour, 21, a Charisma Arts instructor.

The class starts on Friday afternoon with the instructors going over Elise's attraction theory. They then practice the theory by approaching each other as if they were women, and they do word association exercises to get their minds tuned into keeping a conversation with a woman rolling.

After a night approaching women at a bar or club, the instructors hold a debriefing the next morning and go over what the participants did right and wrong. Then they head out again to hit on more women.

THE MORNING AFTER...

Ben and the five other participants, ranging in age from 21 to 43, met with their four coaches Saturday at a McDonald's near Union Square, the morning after a deflating evening of hitting on women at the Gansevoort.

Sam, a stocky, recent college graduate from Boston with shaved head and thick chain around his neck, said he is tired of sleeping with "drunk chicks" and wants to learn how to properly "pursue and attain" the women of his choice.

Tim, 23, a New York piano tuner, said his new full-time job makes it hard for him to meet women.

"This was something I was willing to splurge on," said Tim, who also did not want to give his last name. "I live in a city with millions of women, and I want to meet some of them."

Ben said that despite his lack of luck with women on Friday night, he tried to "learn a little from each interaction."

Forty minutes later, he was standing in a nearby Barnes & Noble book store, eyeing a small woman in a hat and glasses who was thumbing through a book. He sidled up to her and took a book from a shelf near her, but she didn't notice him and soon walked away without talking to him.

"A lot of guys defeat themselves right away," Saviour whispered, looking on. "If he thinks she's not interested, he'll clam up. That's exactly what happened."

To get Ben back on track, Savior has him talk to a male store clerk so he can interact with another person without pressure. Soon, Ben approaches another woman but she too walks away without noticing him.

"I feel a bit shaken up," Ben said after his latest rejection. "There is information coming from a lot of different places. I feel a bit like a pickup artist."

By the early hours of Sunday at a crowded rooftop bar on Fifth Avenue, Ben finally has a confident glow. Other Charm School students are partying on the fringes of a drunken bachelorette party full of New Jersey women.

But Ben, dressed in a dark shirt and slacks and standing tall in the middle of the crowd, has already talked to four groups of women by 11:30 p.m., made some connections and is on the lookout for more.

Just a day into Charm School, Ben says he has begun to absorb some of its tenets, like honestly justifying to the women why he has approached them, genuinely stating their uniqueness, then making slight, gentlemanly physical contact, like a touch of the arm at just the right time.

"I would say in terms of last night's performance, I've definitely found my path to fulfillment," he said. "Last night I felt uncomfortable, but I've taken in what they've taught me. I've been myself, and it's worked."


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To: Xenalyte; xsmommy

When my dog would get tired, he would rest his chin on his Honey Bunny and go to sleep. LOL!


181 posted on 08/17/2006 7:22:51 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: TommyDale

Would you please stop getting the ladies all charged up, you sensuous, romantic, dog, you.


182 posted on 08/17/2006 7:30:08 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Xenalyte
"Yo, baby, wassup? Mom gave me this crazy long thing she calls the Salashurous Ping List. So I'm thinkin' you and me, maybe we should go somewhere, for coffee or something, just to talk, y'know, get to know one another. Whatcha say, hot thang?"

I don't want to go there.

(Well, I do, want to go there, but it's already occupied ...)
183 posted on 08/17/2006 7:44:34 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Liz

LOL! It beats the other subject material. I don't know how much more Jon Benet I can stand in one day... ;-)


184 posted on 08/17/2006 7:46:14 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: TommyDale
well loosh used to go after his horse when he was a pup, but he has pretty much settled on the bear now as his paramour of choice...


185 posted on 08/17/2006 7:55:48 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: The Toll
If a guy wants to pick up one of those "model" type girls all he needs to do is pretend like he is repulsed by her. They can't stand it, drives them absolutely bonkers.

That's David DeAngelo's (and Mystery's) method in a nutshell - tricks to attract jaded attention whores in clubs. The problem is, the number of real, lasting relationships resulting from the initial dishonesty is likely to be vanishingly small. Some men would answer, "So what?" but a succession of such short-term conquests of unstable women hurts them, too, in the long run.

186 posted on 08/17/2006 7:57:23 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: xsmommy

Beautiful dog...What is it exactly?


187 posted on 08/17/2006 7:57:34 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: TommyDale

cavalier king charles spaniel. thanks : ) i want another one to go with him, a little sister.


188 posted on 08/17/2006 7:58:47 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Well said.


189 posted on 08/17/2006 8:25:33 AM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: Vision

Perhaps it didn't come off well. It certainly wasn't meant to be nefarious sounding in the manner you took it.


190 posted on 08/17/2006 8:45:32 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Cinnamon

Interesting. It almost makes me wish I was single again.


191 posted on 08/17/2006 8:46:05 AM PDT by elfman2 (An army of amateurs doing the media's job.)
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To: goldstategop
No such thing as instant love, thats true.
But women ( sober and normal) know within a few minutes if they ever will or never will with that particular man. Yes, no and maybe are decided early on. Lines and approaches honestly dont matter that much. OK guys there's your tip for today, send $1600. LOL
192 posted on 08/17/2006 8:53:11 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Xenalyte

I am actually very nice to most men that hit on me. There is no need to be rude to someone unless they are saying crude things. Then they will either be ignored or get an earful of crude they could never imagine.

It takes a lot of nerve/guts/courage to approach a stranger and "chat them up". As a 38 year old, I take it as a compliment that men still find me attractive. I actually smile when the construction workers whistle or hoot. I have been happy & in love with the smae man for over 8 years, but it still makes me feel good when the young men try to pick me up.


193 posted on 08/17/2006 9:23:54 AM PDT by Feiny (drunk, crazy and naked streaking isn't something that can be considered a normal, fun thing)
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To: feinswinesuksass

You go girl...LOL


194 posted on 08/17/2006 9:35:13 AM PDT by JRios1968 (This kid knows how to wallop a baseball!!!!!!)
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To: Xenalyte

I so love that picture...just makes me smile every time you post it. :-)


195 posted on 08/17/2006 9:36:55 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Lurker
Yea, but once your tongue is in the groove things get easier.

drink: mouth -> keyboard

196 posted on 08/17/2006 9:51:22 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Visit www.greenhelmetguy.com! We'll put a corpse on the rubble for you.)
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To: TommyDale; Xenalyte; xsmommy
My dog had a stuffed bunny. I called it his "Honey Bunny". When company would come over, he would run to his toy box, drag his "Honey Bunny" out to the middle of the living room floor, and go to town. It was funny until he did it when the local pastor stopped by for a visit. LOL!

Oh dear...

I had a former supervisor whose pug used to do that. I remember one year when he and his wife hosted a big, fairly elaborate Christmas party. Everyone was sitting in the living room listening to Christmas music and attempting small talk when here came Widget with her bear, dropped it in the very center of the livingroom, did a quick walk around to make sure everyone was paying attention, and then she started giving the bear some pretty hot and heavy lovin'. Heh...

She got banished to another room, but it did kinda break the ice...

197 posted on 08/17/2006 9:52:34 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton

so did the guests follow suit? LOL!!!


198 posted on 08/17/2006 9:54:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: RosieCotton

Yes, that can be the life of the party, actually! LOL!


199 posted on 08/17/2006 9:54:10 AM PDT by TommyDale (It's time to dismiss the Duke fake rape case, Mr. Nifong!)
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To: xsmommy

LOL!

No, but it did lighten the mood a bit.


200 posted on 08/17/2006 9:55:06 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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