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"Charm school" helps men perfect the pick-up
Yahoo! News ^ | Mon Aug 14, 8:59 AM ET | Matthew Verrinder

Posted on 08/17/2006 4:42:10 AM PDT by 7thson

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Ben had a rough Friday night picking up women on the Hotel Gansevoort's balcony after being coldly rejected by two attractive blonds.

The 23-year-old documentary filmmaker, who asked his last name not be used for fear of ridicule, suffers from an acute case of "premature ejectulation" -- ejecting himself early from promising conversations with women for fear of rejection.

Such was the diagnosis from the coaches of "Charm School Boot Camp," a three-day crash course on seducing women that Ben and five other men paid $1,600 apiece for in early August.

"If I were to look at it objectively, I would feel really good about it, and then just leave," Ben said.

Ben is not the only man with crippling fears when it comes to chatting up women. That's why Charm School, run by an Ann Arbor, Michigan-based company called Charisma Arts, has no problem finding men who need intense guidance and fieldwork approaching women at places like bookstores and bars.

"People think we're teaching guys with no confidence who are bad with women," said Charisma Arts co-founder Wayne Elise. "We teach guys how to be themselves in a very unnatural environment, how to cold approach strangers and make them comfortable enough to open themselves up."

Charisma Arts runs weekend Charm School seminars in New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, London and Sydney. Some students find out about the course from the company's Web site, www.charismaarts.com.

The Charm School's lesson plan stays away from canned lines and instructs men to think on their feet when talking to women, to put their insecurities aside and react naturally to a women's subtle cues, said Johnny Saviour, 21, a Charisma Arts instructor.

The class starts on Friday afternoon with the instructors going over Elise's attraction theory. They then practice the theory by approaching each other as if they were women, and they do word association exercises to get their minds tuned into keeping a conversation with a woman rolling.

After a night approaching women at a bar or club, the instructors hold a debriefing the next morning and go over what the participants did right and wrong. Then they head out again to hit on more women.

THE MORNING AFTER...

Ben and the five other participants, ranging in age from 21 to 43, met with their four coaches Saturday at a McDonald's near Union Square, the morning after a deflating evening of hitting on women at the Gansevoort.

Sam, a stocky, recent college graduate from Boston with shaved head and thick chain around his neck, said he is tired of sleeping with "drunk chicks" and wants to learn how to properly "pursue and attain" the women of his choice.

Tim, 23, a New York piano tuner, said his new full-time job makes it hard for him to meet women.

"This was something I was willing to splurge on," said Tim, who also did not want to give his last name. "I live in a city with millions of women, and I want to meet some of them."

Ben said that despite his lack of luck with women on Friday night, he tried to "learn a little from each interaction."

Forty minutes later, he was standing in a nearby Barnes & Noble book store, eyeing a small woman in a hat and glasses who was thumbing through a book. He sidled up to her and took a book from a shelf near her, but she didn't notice him and soon walked away without talking to him.

"A lot of guys defeat themselves right away," Saviour whispered, looking on. "If he thinks she's not interested, he'll clam up. That's exactly what happened."

To get Ben back on track, Savior has him talk to a male store clerk so he can interact with another person without pressure. Soon, Ben approaches another woman but she too walks away without noticing him.

"I feel a bit shaken up," Ben said after his latest rejection. "There is information coming from a lot of different places. I feel a bit like a pickup artist."

By the early hours of Sunday at a crowded rooftop bar on Fifth Avenue, Ben finally has a confident glow. Other Charm School students are partying on the fringes of a drunken bachelorette party full of New Jersey women.

But Ben, dressed in a dark shirt and slacks and standing tall in the middle of the crowd, has already talked to four groups of women by 11:30 p.m., made some connections and is on the lookout for more.

Just a day into Charm School, Ben says he has begun to absorb some of its tenets, like honestly justifying to the women why he has approached them, genuinely stating their uniqueness, then making slight, gentlemanly physical contact, like a touch of the arm at just the right time.

"I would say in terms of last night's performance, I've definitely found my path to fulfillment," he said. "Last night I felt uncomfortable, but I've taken in what they've taught me. I've been myself, and it's worked."


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This is funny stuff.
1 posted on 08/17/2006 4:42:11 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson
Talking to a beautiful woman is enough to make the hardest man wilt. Everything he says to her makes him sound like an idiot. You wonder how our parents hooked up.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

2 posted on 08/17/2006 4:46:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 7thson
The 23-year-old documentary filmmaker, who asked his last name not be used for fear of ridicule, suffers from an acute case of "premature ejectulation" -- ejecting himself early from promising conversations with women for fear of rejection.

Obviously, just awful when your tongue can't get you in the groove.

3 posted on 08/17/2006 4:46:43 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: 7thson
Men paying for a school so they can learn how to womanize.

Just another day in NYC.
4 posted on 08/17/2006 4:47:12 AM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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To: All

Haven't we met somewhere before?


5 posted on 08/17/2006 4:47:21 AM PDT by snudge
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To: N. Theknow
Tongue-tieditis - a disease known to afflict dating guys.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

6 posted on 08/17/2006 4:48:26 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: snudge

Of courth i'll go home wid ya. Just let me finish thith drink.


7 posted on 08/17/2006 4:49:29 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: Vision
Men have tried everything to win a woman's love. Its the hardest job in the world a man will ever do.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

8 posted on 08/17/2006 4:49:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: N. Theknow
Yea, but once your tongue is in the groove things get easier.

L

9 posted on 08/17/2006 4:51:02 AM PDT by Lurker (I support Israel without reservation. Hizbollah must be destroyed to the last man.)
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To: 7thson
One of the local radio stations interviewed this person yesterday. I emailed the station with this question.

Why should I listen to any supposed male who uses "nuance" and "charisma" in his spiel?

10 posted on 08/17/2006 4:51:06 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: 7thson

The Gansevoort?

The guy is looking to bag an elephant with a pea shooter...


11 posted on 08/17/2006 4:52:50 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: goldstategop
Talking to a beautiful woman is enough to make the hardest man wilt. Everything he says to her makes him sound like an idiot. You wonder how our parents hooked up.

Alcohol. It's the only explanation that makes any sense.

12 posted on 08/17/2006 4:53:43 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ASA Vet
If metrosexuals need help in picking up women, it shows how much they lack in confidence. And the first thing women pick up about men today is that of a man who is unsure of himself. No wonder there are so many lonely guys looking for love.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

13 posted on 08/17/2006 4:53:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
No it's not. Just talk to her because you're attracted to her and you want to love her.

Most men who go up to women blind are looking to get laid. It's useless to teach men more "lines" or whatever.
14 posted on 08/17/2006 4:54:50 AM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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To: 7thson
This is funny stuff.

Ahhh...Yhea. :^/
....If it weren't so true in big/small cities/towns

15 posted on 08/17/2006 4:54:56 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :)
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To: 7thson
I prefer the Beavis and Butthead approach.

"Uh...hey baby. Uh-hu-hu-huh. Wanna like....do it?"
16 posted on 08/17/2006 4:55:24 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: 7thson
Johnny Saviour, 21, a Charisma Arts instructor

I swear, I'm not making this up ... [/dave barry voice off

17 posted on 08/17/2006 4:55:52 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Islamofascism ... bringing you the best of the 7th century for the past 1300 years.)
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To: 7thson

" drunken bachelorette party full of New Jersey women."

Sheep to the slaughter. Not exactly a representative sample to measure success.


18 posted on 08/17/2006 4:56:33 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Vision
Women have heard all the "canned" lines and as pickup lines, they aren't all that original anyway. A woman wants a guy to talk to her just like they would if sex didn't enter the picture. The best thing a guy can do is engage in small talk and leave the physical stuff for later. If the attraction is there, it will happen in due time. Its a disaster to rush a budding relationship before it has a chance to deepen. There is no such thing as instant love. If there was, there would be no need for "charm school" to teach men how to make contact with the fair sex.

(No more Olmert! No more Kadima! No more Oslo!)

19 posted on 08/17/2006 4:59:31 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: 7thson

George: She invites me up at twelve o clock at night, for coffee. And I don't go up. "No thank you, I don't want coffee, it keeps me up. Too late for me to drink coffee." I said this to her. People this stupid shouldn't be allowed to live. I can't imagine what she must think of me.

Jerry: She thinks you're a guy that doesn't like coffee.

George: She invited me up. Coffee's not coffee, coffee is sex.

20 posted on 08/17/2006 5:00:04 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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