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Backup Sample on Landis Is Positive
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 8-5-2006

Posted on 08/05/2006 2:31:31 AM PDT by Cagey

Tour de France champion Floyd Landis' backup urine sample confirmed high levels of testosterone, cycling's governing body said Saturday, raising the prospect that he could lose his title.

Following the results of the "B" sample, Landis was expected to be fired by his Swiss team, Phonak, which had suspended him pending the results. He also faces a two-year ban from USA Cycling, which is responsible for sanctions against the American rider.

"The analysis of the sample B of Floyd Landis's urine has confirmed the result of an adverse analytical finding notified by the Anti-doping laboratory of Paris on 26th July, following the analysis of the sample A," the International Cycling Union said, referring to the Chatenay-Malabry lab outside Paris.

The confirmed test sets off what could now be months of appeals and arguments by Landis, who repeatedly has claimed his innocence and vowed to fight the allegations.

If held up, Landis would become the first winner of cycling's premier race to lose his Tour title over doping allegations.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bicycling; bike; bmc; cheater; cycling; floyd; floydlandis; france; french; landis; letour; paris; parisroubaix; phonak; tdf; tourdefrance
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To: Republicain; All

Very sad for men, when it's a crime to have too much testosterone.


81 posted on 08/05/2006 11:29:29 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (will you still be all gung ho about euthenasia when your kids want to do it to you?)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Very sad for men, when it's a crime to have too much testosterone.

The issue is really the synthetic testosterone.
82 posted on 08/05/2006 11:31:41 AM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: Cagey

The only real hope left for Landis being innocent is the lab turning out to be crooked. If they had backup samples that the lab hasn't touched yet, they could test them somewhere else and see what they find.

Right now though, it looks like he's guilty. I'm not going to be caught in the trap of trying to come up with more and more ridiculous excuses as the evidence piles up.


83 posted on 08/05/2006 11:33:45 AM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: RichardW

RichardW,
Since we all know how the US likes underdogs or losers (Michael Jackson where are you?) you might want to keep those Wheaties boxes since they may be worth even more if he is deprived of Cooperstown honors. It is another sad, sad case. McGuire was my absolute fav at one time. No longer, since he doesn't have a desire to tell the truth or keep his word. Sad.


84 posted on 08/05/2006 11:49:48 AM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: Sofa King

Pretty much true.


85 posted on 08/05/2006 12:06:58 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: AmericaUnited

"That would make sense, but the stuff he tested positive for doesn't produce immediate results.

Who can confirm this?? Plus, do we know how many times during the race the riders were tested?"

....posted prior to checking the rest of the thread...

Top cyclists are tested throughout the tour. Testosterone and epitestosterone require long term use to to build endurance and muscle. Landis was tested throughout previousl stages, and tested negative for banned substances.

The UCI is not to be trusted in this case, it appears that 8 is one time too many for an American to win the largely european race.

.02


86 posted on 08/05/2006 12:32:30 PM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: petro45acp
Hi All-

"...The UCI is not to be trusted in this case, it appears that 8 is one time too many for an American to win the largely european race..."


You are precisely correct. The amateurish handling of this whole affair by UCI, complete with half-baked theories and vile anonymous leaks, stinks to high heaven. They are seeking to taint his victory on the street so that people will always discuss doping when the name "Floyd Landis" is raised in discussion. If anyone should be investigated, it is the UCI mudslingers.

~ Blue Jays ~

87 posted on 08/05/2006 1:17:41 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Vision

There is no test for synthetic testosterone, the UCI is making this up as they go along.


88 posted on 08/05/2006 1:21:06 PM PDT by gura
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To: RichardW
There is no test that can isolate exogenous testosterone from natural testosterone. The IRMS test only reveals that metabolized testosterone in urine has a different carbon-13/carbon-12 ratio than normal.

Literature supports exogenous testo will in fact alter C-13/C-12. However, it hasn't been shown that synthetic testo exclusively alters the C-13/C-12 ratio. Ingesting foods, medicine, etc., could also change the ratio. They don't test the actual testosterone, it's the metabolic byproducts that get tested, which means the C-13 can come from other organic sources. There is no absolute proof that synthetic testo is the agent that caused Floyd's C-13/C-12 to shift.

89 posted on 08/05/2006 1:22:58 PM PDT by gura
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To: gura

Go back and look at some older threads that go into detail of the isotope test which is at the center of all of this.


90 posted on 08/05/2006 1:24:40 PM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: Cagey
Shouldn't the "B" sample of been tested in a different, independant lab in an blind testing procedure with several dummy samples thrown in instead of just grabbing his B sample and running through the same people who leaked inaccurate results to the press to demonize him before the B sample was ever tested?

Wait, that would make sense.....

91 posted on 08/05/2006 1:25:21 PM PDT by gura
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To: jimboster

LMBO!


92 posted on 08/05/2006 1:46:42 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: AmericaUnited

If he had come in second he wouldn't have made up as much time on the leaders, and he wouldn't have been able to win the tour, but would have come in several places back


93 posted on 08/05/2006 2:03:07 PM PDT by charming_harmonica (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy)
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To: Vision

not true


94 posted on 08/05/2006 2:03:22 PM PDT by charming_harmonica (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than driving with Ted Kennedy)
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To: charming_harmonica

What?


95 posted on 08/05/2006 2:09:04 PM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: sumocide

Destroy an American. Job #1 for frogs. TDF doesn't have a TV rating.


96 posted on 08/05/2006 3:06:04 PM PDT by yobid (Islam is a disease and its death is the cure - deus clypus meus)
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To: MAD-AS-HELL
I think John Kerry should step up and vouch for Landis because John Kerry fought in Vietnam.

On the contrary John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, will side with the French.

97 posted on 08/05/2006 3:07:01 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: gura
>>Shouldn't the "B" sample of been tested in a different, independant lab in an blind testing procedure with several dummy samples thrown in instead of just grabbing his B sample and running through the same people who leaked inaccurate results to the press to demonize him before the B sample was ever tested?

Excellent point. I'm sure Landis and his bevy of attorneys are looking at the testing procedures and other issues (including, as they've already stated, the leaks from the UCI). Sure, I'd luv to have a conspiracy proven in this case, but I'm highly skeptical that he's innocent.

98 posted on 08/05/2006 4:47:10 PM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: Spaulding
"I believe there is a move to go to court to try to get to the bottom of who might have set him up."

Setting someone up to fail a drug test would be very easy to do. Rub some Androgel on your hand and shake victims hand. They will probably test positive for synthetic testosterone.

http://www.androgel.com/
99 posted on 08/05/2006 8:08:42 PM PDT by ol painless (ol' painless is out of the bag)
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To: Reform4Bush
"His turnaround was unprecedented, and I just can't buy it was anything other than a result of taking something he shouldn't have."

But haven't some experts claimed that a one-time use of testosterone would not provide such an immediate and striking advantage? All his other tests during the Tour were negative.
100 posted on 08/05/2006 8:47:51 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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