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FLoyd Landis Drug Test Discussion Thread -- Please post links to all articles here.
none ^ | 28 Jul 2006 | Self

Posted on 07/28/2006 4:49:10 AM PDT by commish

Making a central thread for people to link articles, post comments, discuss, etc -- the Floyd Landis, Tour de France Doping scandal.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: blooddoping; drugtesting; floydlandis; landis; phonak; tdf; testosterone; tourdefrance
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To: All; some; Anybody; nobody; somebody; None
Friday, August 4, 2006 off the wires:

The AP summarily shoots down the Landis camp's recent "trial balloon" that severe dehydration might have elevated FL's T/E ratio -pretty much obsolete anyway, if the "B" sample confirms, as expected, the presence of synthetic hormone.

(snip) "Maybe a combination of dehydration, maximum effort," Jose Maria Buxeda, the cyclist's lawyer, said Thursday after testing began on his backup sample.

That theory was flatly rejected by one of the world's top anti-doping officials.

"In 25 years of experience of testing such a huge increase in the level of testosterone cannot be accepted to come from any natural factors," said Christiane Ayotte, director of Montreal's anti-doping laboratory. "If dehydration was the case, then marathon runners would be testing positive all the time. Tennis players would be testing positive all the time.

"Dehydration is a medical condition that requires hospitalization. It has been invoked in the past, but not one case — to my knowledge — has been successful in this argument."(snip)

Ever since, the cyclist and his defense team have offered varying explanations, including cortisone shots taken for pain in Landis' degenerating hip; drinking beer and whiskey the night before; thyroid medication, and his natural metabolism.

The latest theory — dehydration — appears to contrast with events.

Landis pushed ahead at the 45-mile mark July 20 and rode the rest of the stage alone, which he later called an "advantage" because he was constantly near his team's car and the liquids it carried. He constantly splashed his face and drank fluids as he rode up the Alps.

"It was nice to be alone," Landis said after the stage. "It was an advantage."(snip)

AP report source here

Team Landis needs to do better than the ol' 'everything but the kitchen sink' defense strategy if they hope to succeed in rescuing Floyd's reputation. They might consider availing themselves of the services of a PR traffic cop to coordinate statements, because this "Weasewwy Wascal French-Jack Daniels-Yams for dinner- Stage Day Heat Ate My Homework" stuff is going nowhere, fast. Focus, people, focus!

Tim Maloney, Cycling News' European correspondent has a piece that offers a good, tidy summary of the unethical leaks from the UCI & French lab in the case to journalists, particularly to L'Equipe, and Landis's US attorney Howard Jacobs' implicit condemnations of them for the suspiciously cozy relationship these three entities enjoy here.

Floyd may be toast as some believe, but a lot of people think that this sleazy UCI/Chatenay-Malabry/L'Equipe triumverate doesn't inspire a whole lot of public confidence in their impartiality & their ability to enforce their athletes' adherence to doping regs with any kind of credibility. Folks who love this stupid sport can't help but wonder how cycling is ever going to clean up its sorry act when the "mop" they're using to do it is so appallingly dirty itself.

For those are thoroughly demoralized today about the bleak situation in which Floyd, the Tour de France & professional cycling in general seem so inextricably mired, I can only offer this small gesture of encouragement:

In the immortal words of the founder of the Nørskï Bwteimian Repüblic: "Vëê möösent ebber, ebber letten dð bæstørds gedinken öös dðwn!" :-D

141 posted on 08/04/2006 8:45:36 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
The "B" sample is in and, as anticipated confirms the "A" results, including the existence of exogenous testosterone. So there won't be further reason to link anything to this thread. My final link is to FloydLandis.com which offers this response this morning:

FLOYD LANDIS RESPONDS TO UCI ANNOUNCEMENT OF POSITIVE ‘B’ SAMPLE — Landis To Appeal Laboratory Findings and Actions of UCI in ‘A’ Sample Leak

The UCI (International Cycling Union) today announced that the results of the ‘B’ analysis conducted on Floyd Landis’s urine sample of July 20, 2006 are consistent with the findings of the ‘A’ sample. Both samples were taken following Landis’s victory in stage 17 of the Tour de France. The results of the ‘A’ sample were released on July 26. Landis will pursue the appeal procedures established by the UCI in order to overturn the laboratory results. It is expected that the matter will now be referred to USA Cycling.

Landis, who has not used performance-enhancing substances, maintains his innocence in this case and believes that he will be vindicated of the doping charges.

“I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone. I was the strongest man in the Tour de France, and that is why I am the champion,” said Landis. “I will fight these charges with the same determination and intensity that I bring to my training and racing. It is now my goal to clear my name and restore what I worked so hard to achieve.”

Landis’s attorney, Howard Jacobs, has begun preparing the case for arbitration. If the case follows the normal protocol, it is expected to be resolved within four to six months.

“At this point in time, I am waiting to receive the full laboratory documentation for the “B” test. In consultation with some of the leading medical and scientific experts, we will prove that Floyd Landis’s victory in the 2006 Tour de France was not aided in any respect by the use of any banned substances,” said Jacobs.

Landis and Jacobs will also argue against the UCI’s premature release of the ‘A’ sample findings as well as the anonymous leak of the carbon-isotope test results to the New York Times on July 31.

“I call on the UCI to start following its own rules and to allow this process to proceed without the further taint of public comment by UCI officials,” added Jacobs. “ The anti-doping process must be free from the perception that sports federations and anti-doping authorities, who hold great political and financial sway over sport, are attempting to influence the outcome of a pending case by issuing inappropriate public comments.”

The entry in Floyd's blog was posted on Saturday, August 5th, 2006 You can find it here but I posted it in its entirety.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but we must end what we begin. Good luck Floyd, UCI, Chatenay-Malabry. You're all gonna need it.

142 posted on 08/05/2006 6:14:27 AM PDT by leilani ("Vëê möösent letten dð bæstørds gedinken öös dðwn!")
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To: leilani
DISREGARD.THIS IS A TEST.DISREGARD (Reddy4Freddy is teaching me how to make my links open in a new window) and I'm experimenting here.For a link that opens in a new window click here
143 posted on 08/05/2006 8:06:19 AM PDT by leilani ("Vëê möösent letten dð bæstørds gedinken öös dðwn!")
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To: commish; Baynative; NittanyLion; nutmeg; Eurotwit; leilani; luv2ski; Vision; BaBaStooey; ...
Landis fires back at cycling hierachy
144 posted on 08/07/2006 9:00:12 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Hey, look man, I didn't mean to shoot the son of a b!tch. The gun went off. I don't know why.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

That's the first thing he has done that has made me think he might be innocent.


145 posted on 08/07/2006 9:03:50 AM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Thanks for the ping. I just wish I could wake up from this nightmare. Unfortunately, it will be months before we know anything substantive. *sigh*


146 posted on 08/07/2006 9:40:06 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Ready4Freddy
As I posted on the other thread where Yobid had provided Floyd's counterattack today: AMEN & ALLELUIA! Finally, Floyd starts acting like he has some of that extra testosterone & begins to fight back. He said " (UCI head) Pat McQuaid said he had to release mine before the lab leaked it." This is accurate. And I have been waiting a week now for the same journalists who've been so busy boning up on the esoteric intricacies of esters & isotopes to ask this one simple question: If even Patrick McQuaid is so worried about the questionable ethics of the lab he is trusting to make these life & death determinatiuons for his athlete's careers that he felt he had to violate the UCI's own codified rules & PREEMPT THE LAB'S LEAK, for God's sake,why is he even USING them? If this lab has repeatedly demonstrated "in a most immodest way" that it has a suspicious agenda outside of its narrowly proscribed scientific purview, how can anyone trust the 'results' they proffer? And what does this say about the "governing body" which continues to retain these hacks? HMMM? Sports journalists out there? Can you get this question answered for us?(Good going Team Landis!Better late than never! You need to keep hitting this one home.)
147 posted on 08/07/2006 3:46:31 PM PDT by leilani ("Vëê möösent letten dð bæstørds gedinken öös dðwn!")
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To: MikefromOhio

Tiger is way more ripped than this guy.


148 posted on 08/07/2006 3:47:38 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (We'll stay out of your bedrooms, if you stay out of our children's classrooms.)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids
Tiger is way more ripped than this guy.

And unlike Tiger, he failed a piss test. You STILL have not shown ONE iota of evidence against Tiger. Your little jealous crusade against him will get you NOWHERE, and your boy Vijay will continue to fall further and further behind Tiger in everything he does.

AS I said yesterday, it must SUCK to be you.
149 posted on 08/07/2006 4:06:22 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: All; somebody; Vision; Ready4Freddy; Anybody
Some recent articles for the (now) weekly news roundup from my house to yours:

Samuel Abt article in Int'l Herald Tribune

Elsewhere, Lance Armstrong seems to backtrack on his earlier advice to Floyd to vigorously defend himself. LA statement at the Indy race Saturday 8/12/06 Now he's telling FL to hush up & lay low. Say what?

And Tim Maloney, Cycling News' european correspondent scorches Dick Pound's bizarre op-ed rant against Floyd that appeared in the Ottawa Citizen here today.

150 posted on 08/14/2006 11:00:35 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
Thank you, leilani. I see you've got that target="_blank" working quite well! ;>)
151 posted on 08/14/2006 11:17:32 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Hey, look man, I didn't mean to shoot the son of a b!tch. The gun went off. I don't know why.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Yessir, Sarge, Sir! Had some glitches last week when I misremembered your instructions, but I'm now doing it automatically. You just may have created a monster, though. Looks like I'm trying to break a record here or something!


152 posted on 08/14/2006 11:31:44 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
This case is so strange we won't know what happened until more independent facts come out. A bombshell is waiting either to explode on Landis or the French. The facts seem to be with Landis, so I back him.

It will just tick away for another six months and then we will hear the explosion.
153 posted on 08/14/2006 11:32:02 AM PDT by Vision (“I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me" Philippians 3:14)
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To: Vision

Don't know that I can hold out that long for answers, though. I'm thinking about switching my allegiance back to my first love, ballet! Not nearly as emotionally draining as pro cycling. Don't think a ballet thread would go over really well on FR though! (Too many immigrants with funny names taking away American jobs 'n all that,lol!)


154 posted on 08/14/2006 11:39:37 AM PDT by leilani
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To: Vision; Ready4Freddy; commish; Steve_Seattle; All
Phil Liggett is saying he's skeptical about the whole Floyd Landis doping scandal. There are anomalies, he says, and the French lab at the centre of the scandal "unscrupulous to say the least"; he also blasts the UCI for the leaks. Says there's good case for a second test to be done in a separate lab & separate country from now on."It's not as transparent as we all believe..." Audio clip of an interview at the Phil & Friends Ride Saturday is now available on YouTube here, for those of you who miss the sound of Phil's voice (I do!!!!!) . Great interview, listen to the whole thing, about 11-12 min long.

And John Eustice has a good column defending Landis & also raising questions about the lab in today's IHT here

155 posted on 08/16/2006 12:26:07 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

Thanks very much for the links. I still remain unconvinced of Landis's guilt. Isn't this the same lab that leaked the results of Armstrong's seven year-old urine tests? They seem to be working in cahoots with L'Equipe to undermine American riders' reputations. And has anyone put together a doping scenario that would explain the specific results of Landis's tests?


156 posted on 08/16/2006 12:44:22 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: leilani

Powerful interview leilani, good job! This the clearest conservation I've heard regarding the incident. Didn't figure Liggett to be such a great guy; ignorantly assumed he'd have a negative french attitude with his comments about how Landis couldn't come back in Stage 17. He really rocks and is the perfect Tour commentator. Gonna ping folks and listen to the last five minutes again.


157 posted on 08/16/2006 12:49:06 PM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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To: Steve_Seattle

That's what both Phil & John are saying (finally)that this lab, by UCI's own investigation re the unauthorized Lance Armstrong urine leak (sorry for the phrasing there,lol)last year, has clearly demonstrated it has an agenda outside of the purview of sample testing which raises so many suspicions.Since he tested clean on the sample after the "dirty" one, it 'could' very well point to lab tampering. That's why Phil says in the interview that the TdF is going to have to go with a double-lab testing scheme in the future - there's just way too much doubt out there about the integrity of this lab.


158 posted on 08/16/2006 12:55:20 PM PDT by leilani
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To: whattajoke; CyberCowboy777; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; stylin_geek; ...
leilani has an awesome mp3 discussion of the Landis incident from Phil Liggett in post 155.
159 posted on 08/16/2006 12:56:36 PM PDT by Vision (God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, love and self-discipline 2Timothy1)
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To: leilani

Bobby Julich makes an interesting comment in the Maloney story, something to the effect that maybe someone in Landis's OWN TEAM slipped him something. Didn't Landis have several mechanical breakdowns during the tour? First, their was the mysteriously cut tire, discovered moments before the first time trial. Then - I think - there was another bike failure - broken steering, or some such thing - during another stage. Then - during stage 17 - he suffered a collapsed wheel, and had to swap wheels or bikes with a teammate. Am I remembering this right? So, throughout the tour, it was as if Landis was being sabotaged. Then, the mysterious, one-time appearance of synthetic testosterone, even though Landis's OVERALL testosterone level was in the normal range. Ok, I know I'm sounding like a tinfoil-hat guy . . . but was someone in Team Phonak trying to "get" Landis?


160 posted on 08/16/2006 1:03:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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