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Call adds mystery to lacrosse case (DukeLax)
News and Observer ^ | July 12, 2006 | Joseph Neff

Posted on 07/12/2006 1:52:14 AM PDT by abb

Phone use spans time of team party

In the middle of a Duke lacrosse party where a dancer said she was gang-raped for 30 minutes, a call was placed from her cell phone to a Durham escort service.

The 12:26 a.m. call to the service, Centerfold, lasted one minute, according to a copy of her cell phone bill reviewed by The News & Observer. It is unclear whether the call was a request for another job, a cry for help or something else, or even whether the accuser made the call herself.

But the accuser's phone records add some details to the chronology of the March 13 party, a drunken spring break bash that spawned a national controversy.

Neither prosecutors nor defense lawyers would discuss the phone records Tuesday. Neither the accuser nor a second dancer at the party could be reached, nor could representatives of Centerfold. Police Chief Steve Chalmers was out of town; his spokeswoman said he would not discuss the case.

Three players have been charged with first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping: Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J.; Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y.; and Dave Evans, 23, of Bethesda, Md. Lawyers for the players have proclaimed their clients' innocence and said no rape or sex occurred at the house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd.

District Attorney Mike Nifong, whose handling of the case has undergone national scrutiny, has been adamant that the woman was raped at the party. Nifong has not given a precise timeline of when he thinks an assault occurred.

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KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham; lacrosse; nifong
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To: JLS

Glad you posted that comment from N&O...

I am still snickering.


581 posted on 07/14/2006 7:48:36 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Dukie07

Good for you. That party can use more sensible people. I got your e-mail. Will respond over weekend.


582 posted on 07/14/2006 7:49:03 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: ltc8k6

Correction:

The other lineup I was thinking of with the post it note was the one where she did not recognize David Evans.


583 posted on 07/14/2006 7:50:02 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Mike Nifong
DNA: White Caucasians.

I thought DNA didn't define race.

If it doesn't, then I need a real good reason why the black player wasn't tested?

584 posted on 07/14/2006 7:53:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ltc8k6

The defense could blow the party goer photo array right out of the water. Call it what you may, but the procedures tell another story.

Did the array include the non-LAXers or the black LAX? Wasn't it relevant to identify ALL party goers? Is not Nifong seeking access to private data on these individuals as potential future witnesses? He certainly appears to be selective.

Then there are the questions asked during the line up as I mentioned in a previous post.


585 posted on 07/14/2006 7:54:14 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: maggief

http://www.wral.com/download/2006/0526/9282538.pdf

Here is that motion with the Post-It note lineup.

Evans photo is part of group F, and group F is marked "did not pick any" with the note.

Curious that we have these same lineup instruction sheets dated the 16th and the 21st.


586 posted on 07/14/2006 8:00:07 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger....you and your son must be hulkish by now. I think your story proves that you have lots of dignity left, I can not imagine that happening to my son. I used to worry about my daughter in the real world, but now, because of stories like yours and the Duke case I worry just as much about my sons. Scary!


587 posted on 07/14/2006 8:05:54 AM PDT by old and cranky (You! Out Of The Gene Pool - Now!)
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To: JLS

I just don't see how Nifong can say that on 4/4 he didn't know who was at the party, and that he needed to ask CGM.

Not that he won't say it, mind you.

If Nifong really wanted to know who was at the party, then he would have put Kim through the same procedure as Crystal, right?

Somehow I doubt that happened. :-)


588 posted on 07/14/2006 8:09:14 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

THANKS! Will have to study later.


589 posted on 07/14/2006 8:11:33 AM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: ltc8k6
ltc, I believe that I read somewhere that when the three residents went to the police station without attorney representation they helped to identify who was at the house. My memory sometimes is not that good but I believe that it was stated in one of the motions filed. Maybe someone can find it. If this is correct the stated purpose of the lineup is bogus.
590 posted on 07/14/2006 8:19:10 AM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Hogeye13

They did, Hogeye. You are correct.


591 posted on 07/14/2006 8:25:23 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: maggief

The 3/16 instruction sheet bears the letter A, and the 3/21 sheets bear the letter F.

Were they the same lineup conducted over several days, or different lineups?

I guess they made groups of photos labeled A, B, C, etc. and gave the instructions with each group. The first instruction sheet is what they showed Crystal, and the copy of that sheet had the results from that group.

Thus we have 2 Sheets labeled F, the second one with the result, "did not pick any" posted on it.


592 posted on 07/14/2006 8:35:07 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
I would imagine that with all three there, they were able to provide a much better list of who was at the party than a drunk whore that didn't know any of the people prior to her arrival. It would be interesting to compare their list to her ID's of people she remembered at the party.
593 posted on 07/14/2006 8:40:55 AM PDT by Hogeye13
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
That is why I risked what little dignity I have left

Don't sell yourself short. You have more dignity than you know as evidenced by stepping out of your comfort zone to help others.

You are often in my prayers.

594 posted on 07/14/2006 8:58:21 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: ltc8k6

Exactly. If Nifong uses the line about id'ing the attendees at the party, we will quickly know whether the presiding judge is independent or in the DA's pocket.


595 posted on 07/14/2006 9:02:17 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: maggief

It wouldn't shock me to learn that some of Chalmer's boys new the AV, hence the comment about checking the "young 'uns."
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That comment to me, about the kids, only makes sense if they've had experience with Crystal or know her. Durham is a very busy place crime wise - and I wouldn't be surprised if she was "allowed" to operate.


596 posted on 07/14/2006 9:19:40 AM PDT by Mike Nifong (Somebody Stop Me !)
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To: ltc8k6
I just don't see how Nifong can say that on 4/4 he didn't know who was at the party, and that he needed to ask CGM.

DE said clearly that he and the others went voluntarily to DPD and spent hours going over the roster to identify who was at the party.

That would have been on March 16th... So DPD had a preliminary list then...

597 posted on 07/14/2006 9:32:11 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: Mike Nifong
That comment to me, about the kids, only makes sense if they've had experience with Crystal or know her.

It would be interesting to know which of the cops made that statement. There was nothing in Shelton's statement that I recall seeing about the AV asking them to look in on her kids.

It was a male voice talking to another male and I thought a woman took her to the clinic... Maybe it's contained in some other cop report that we haven't seen yet...

598 posted on 07/14/2006 9:38:57 AM PDT by darbymcgill
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To: Locomotive Breath; abb; maggief; Protect the Bill of Rights; Howlin; All

Police Chief Chalmers is feeling a lot of heat in the kitchen.


599 posted on 07/14/2006 10:35:10 AM PDT by TommyDale (Stop the Nifongery!)
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To: TommyDale

Do you know something we don't
:-)


600 posted on 07/14/2006 10:36:24 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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