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Please help me start a fire
Sunday, July 9, 2006 | Momaw Nadon

Posted on 07/09/2006 1:39:37 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon

I am going camping next weekend and think it would be cool to start a campfire using a fire bow drill.

I have all the parts, but can only seem to get just a bit of smoke at best. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

I put pine tar on the string to keep it from slipping.

The wood for the fire board is cedar, and the spindle is made of poplar.

I watch Survivorman on the Science Channel, and he makes it look so easy, but it is not easy!


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To: Momaw Nadon

While I think it's really cool what you're trying to do, I have to ask...why?

I watched Survivorman last night on dish, he started a fire with a lens from a camera (bring a magnifying glass), but it did take him 45 minutes. I say, bring matches.

He also made this bundle of highly flammable stuff, like dry moss, the stuff you pull out from the inside of bark (the hairy stuff), very thin, very lightweight stuff.


41 posted on 07/09/2006 7:14:56 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Momaw Nadon
If you or out in the middle of the woods or slightly to one side. Maybe it's just me but,I am more likely to have steel wool and a battery than a bow and dyer lint with me, and it still looks pretty cool. That is the object coolness not fire for heat. If you really want to do the stick thing it works best just after your former friends walk away laughing.
42 posted on 07/09/2006 7:15:28 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (Red is good)
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To: Momaw Nadon
I always use "Boy Scout Fluid"

That's a quart of camp gas.

I can light a fire with one match.

43 posted on 07/09/2006 7:31:37 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: MotleyGirl70
"Does she have to cook you pasta, grill your meat and make you mashed potatoes while wearing lots of makeup and looking trashy too?"

How did you know? Mashed potatoes and makeup,...what a combo. Wow!!

Yes, we men are so deep and subtle aren't we? We're not superficial or predictable at all.
44 posted on 07/09/2006 10:22:36 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: MotleyGirl70

Oh, and a P.S.,...I did get a call from Billy Joel and he said that "I Didn't Start The Fire".


45 posted on 07/09/2006 10:39:25 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: Momaw Nadon

The Teepee fire lay always works...

Some lighter fluid

A roll of TP

An incendiary device

Soak TP with lighter fluid

Ignite with match

GTG!!

Seriously though, good luck with that.

SZ


46 posted on 07/10/2006 1:02:42 PM PDT by SZonian (Fighting Caliphobia one detractor at a time)
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To: GoLightly

Not that time. The deer got me on the Land Nav course, LOL!


47 posted on 07/10/2006 1:37:19 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
No, it is not - in arctic survival school, they tought us to use pocket lint. You always have some on you.

Also helps to rub the pointy end of the stick along the side of your nose (the oily part of your face).

48 posted on 07/10/2006 1:44:30 PM PDT by patton (LGOPs = head toward the noise, kill anyone not dressed like you.)
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To: patton

It is cheating if you are not doing it as a survivalist, but trying to do it in the old ways.

If I was doing survivalist activities, I would have my hudson bay company style tinderbox (or tobacco box as some call it) with a magnifier, filled with char and tinder... and flint and steel. Forget about bow drills. They take a lot of time and never are what you want to use in a survival situation. Shoot, in the old days, a lot of people had a smudge pot with coals in it so they could make a fire fast. And flint and high carbon steel can get you started almost as quickly as a match. And it surely wasn't uncommon in the old days to use your flintlock. a little powder in the pan, and pull the trigger.

But even better for survival situations is a fire piston. One pop and you have ignited your bit of char or other starter material.

Of course, blowing up a fire from such small beginnings is an art as well. Shredded bark, IMHO, works better than dryer lint or pocket lint, because it holds it longer. Punk wood, some mushrooms, char, then shredded bark, chips, splits of pine, or other wood like that.

There are a few secret ingredients that are cheats, but work.

old style would be wicks dipped in a little beeswax, so they are about the thickness of a birthday candle.

modern things:
Potato chips!
Dried orange peel. These work best once your fire is into the kindling stage, and you are trying to ignite some bigger pieces.

The paper liners from a box of altoids, or similar.

Its kind of fun bringing a fire up from embers, not rebuilding a fire almost dead, but stirring what looks like dead ash and finding a glowing bit and bringing it back to life. I did that almost every morning this last winter, and what worked best was cottonwood bark and cedar chips and thin splits of wood, preferably pine or spruce.



49 posted on 07/10/2006 3:11:33 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Building fires from embers - I do that whenever we are camping, just for the fun of it.

Birch bark works best - white birch. It has oil in it.

And, since I am allergic to white birch, I get revenge ... LOL

50 posted on 07/10/2006 3:17:07 PM PDT by patton (LGOPs = head toward the noise, kill anyone not dressed like you.)
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To: patton

Lot more cottonwood around here than birch...but I do understand!


51 posted on 07/10/2006 3:20:42 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: neb52
My favorite tinder was something like 000 steel wool. I used flint and steel. A broken file struck against a flint rock sparked really well, and the steel wool picked up the sparks and burned easily when I blew on it.

I never could get that wood drill thing to work.
52 posted on 07/10/2006 3:25:15 PM PDT by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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