The ***OFFICIAL*** Weekend Singles' Thread -- Dear Abby/Dolly (June 2-4, 2006)

DollyCali & all the SUPER singles at FR | June 2, 2006 | Dear Abby/Dolly

[DollyCali]

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Dear Abby/Dolly will be a 3-4 times a year part of our Weekend singles Thread. Questions will come from YOU. Answers will come from Me… and you on the thread. Please kick in with your thoughts, disagreements, and personal stories. We can learn from each other.. And now.. ON WITH THE SHOW!

Whew.. There are a boat load of questions & “situations” here which I will try to address.

Good mental health involves being comfortable in one’s skin (even if it is less than perfect, ugly, repulsive, fat, skinny, deformed). Take a look at drop dead BEAUTIFUL models & actresses who just think the very same thing you do. Also take a look at some very unattractive people in life who are successful & very happily married. .

Low self esteem can be very complex. The REAL you.. is what real attraction SHOULD be about. Everything you mentioned you don’t like, COULD be changed and improved upon perhaps. (I wouldn’t recommend MAJOR efforts here initially). I would recommend changing how you look at these things. Easier said than done. There are self esteem support groups that are free & beneficial if you REALLY make a goal of working at it.

Unfortunately our society & media & advertising has sold us a bill of goods about what “attractive” is.. We all unfortunately buy into it. Playboy. - People - Cosmo magazines do well don’t they? A magazine featuring below average or UGLY people would NOT do as well. .

A person who will reject you for these things will NOT be a good partner. Sometimes that is the beauty of the NOW Internet. It often affords people, weeks, months and longer to get acquainted & know, like & yes, LOVE the person.. before seeing the body, hair, face etc.. Youth & maturity don’t always go hand in hand. So many first relationships & marriages fail because people are attracted for the wrong reasons! Think of all the high school cheerleaders & football players along the way. .

I am guilty of being attracted to attractive also.. I truly don’t know of anyone who has a goal to find the homeliest partner possible do you? But men I have cared deeply about(yes even loved) and truly respected are usually NOT the lookers in life. Men & women both who are overly attractive sometimes have different baggage. It is a toss up. .

Now what can you do along the way (in addition to the support group)? EXERCISE & EAT PROPERLY.. that might help get your body slimmer, firmer, shapelier. Swimming & heavy duty hiking are two ways to accomplish this but have the ADDED dimension that they give you “process time”. When one works out (I call it play) you kick in a set of chemicals that help you look at things more objectively. You also work off stress & tensions in life. .

Have your hair analyzed by a pro. If $$ are limited go to the nearest beauty college(much reduced rates),They use advanced students but ALWAYS under the guidance of long term pros. Some flattering cutting & highlights will give you a lift. .

SMILE.. I have found that often when I see someone with a BIG smile, I forget what they look like.. I remember them as happy-- not ugly/pretty. Don’t notice their skin color or race even at much. Know what I mean? .

Sometimes folks with low self esteem, tend to scowl & be dour in presentation. Talk about UGLY! Keep in mind that your self image will be self fulfilling in the persona you imagine.. The energy will be transferred. Confidence glows (and too much stinks BTW) .

Now the last point for discussion here is the toughest & only you can reflect & perhaps fix. Are YOU on purpose NOT doing all you can in a self sabotage effort (subconscious of course). ? Fear of intimacy will manifest itself in many ways. Outward hostility, indifference toward people who “come on “ to you & the physical” letting one self “go” (gain weight, let hair become unkempt, poor hygiene, crummy dress). This is a very common situation is married couples. To avoid sexual contact they do this. Men in early stages of prostate problems have a fear of intimacy not wanting to be embarrassed if they can’t perform & some women are playing back “old tapes” from before they can even consciously recall.. about All MEN are animals.. just want one thing!”.. It happens very subtly. The bottom line is that all this is NOT done consciously.

See previous question/answer in part. . I guess I would ask the reason for considering doing this? Again is it to fit a mold/image of beauty/youth? To attract someone special you have your eye on? Robert Redford & many other stars have said “NO” to these things.. but look at Elizabeth Taylor.. does she look 74? Are you just not happy again – IN YOUR SKIN?

This is a very personal & important question. For some folks correcting a “hideous” nose, getting those Dumbo ears flat, or taking care of some major “flaw” as they perceive it, removing scars from burning… and it can be a major improvement not only physically, but emotionally & mentally. It. makes all the difference in the way as to how they perceive themselves & thus the image they project.

Again you will project what your self image is. Very few people will like or be attracted to a person who does not like themselves. I don’t fault folks who can afford the procedures & aren’t compulsive regarding the appearance.

I have a family member who gets cosmetic procedures done several times a year. She is fanatic about youth. Her husband is VERY handsome & I think she is really afraid of losing him. She isn’t the smartest cookie in the jar & so I suppose she feels this is essential. I think the money would be better spent taking some enrichment classes at a junior college.. but that is just ME.

Fidelity is a choice. It is a harder choice for some than others. There are reasons why people can & cannot easily be faithful. OLD TAPES is one consideration. Children whose parents had infidelity in the past might NOT like that fact.. but they will often adopt that subconscious value. .. ala.. well, dad is /was a good guy, even though. Etc.

A moral grounding & religious set of values will determine how one will adjust. The Judeo-Christian Ethic of Monogamy profoundly affects & guides many in life.. BUT, alas ones who REJECT God & Religion will not have that value structure as boundaries. .

The definition of what you think “happy” is. You may have again (old tapes) seen your parents or other adults in less than happy “committed” situations & again subconsciously said.. woe, not for me. .

A committed relationship / for better or for worse is VERY hard work. If one is selfish along the way..IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT. .

A Happy Couple & Being Selfish do NOT GO TOGETHER.

Maturity & learning what you REALLY want is important. If sharing life & its goals & dreams with a partner is appealing to a person, they will have an easier time.. Having Children & growing old with a loving partner is an ideal that is hard to accomplish for the self centered individual. If your parents made you think the world revolved around you, you will expect your partner to be the same. You must get LOTS of attention & need & demand it. .

Very few women will do this after the intial “flurry of courtship” & thus men will see more women to give them the emotional & mental strokes they need. Normally early in a relationship on will have the other party be the “center”. In time that changes.. that is often the time the man realizes “gee, I just can’t be happy with just this ONE woman” .

Get it?. .

The playboy, non-committed, take & don’t reciprocate mentality is presented as attractive but basically the people I have known & read about are quite lonely. They are busy & social but that does not mean they are NOT lonely. .

You can be in a room or party with dozens of people & be very alone and yes VERY lonely. .

My suggestion is for you to deeply analyze your core values. .The fact that you are questioning indicates a good thing. This is what Mid-Life is all about. Most people just ooze into adult hood adopting the religious, social, ethical & moral values of their family/parents. That MAY or may NOT be good. Midlife is when you examine all of this & either except it as your own, modify it Or reject it totally. What you then CHOSE is the new you & you are now authentic. You may in fact draw back to most of values of the family of origin. A crisis doesn’t always happen. Ideally this will happen in your mid 30s. Some go to their grave never doing this.. they are always a bit “stirred up in their soul” and aren’t sure why. Part of them feels guilty to question the family values & structure.. (mom’s guilt 101?) .

I think you need to restate your question.. Why do I choose women who are deceitful? Or gossip? .

Many women could write the same question, no doubt. .

I basically don’t think women lie anymore than I think men do. Some do, some don’t. People lie basically for different reasons.. one reason is..when they have low self esteem & they try to portray that they are “better”, have done more, know important people.. etc. .

People often lie for attention.. they become victims, have pity parties, .

Again being comfortable with who you are & in your skin as I like to say. .

Try to find people with good self esteem.. DON’T get involved romantically too quickly with someone before you know them well. Men & women both make the mistake of going hot & heavy in the physical relationship (love those hormones) before they know very much about the person. .

Some will lie to cover up something embarrassing from their past. . On a first meeting or date we normally don’t sit down & put the worse possible foot forward & drag out all the dirty laundry. As you get acquainted you then often don’t want to muddy the water.. Ah, the sins of omission in relationships huh?

We all need to strive to be honest about who we are, our shortcomings & find people who will accept who we are. . I love reading FReeper Profiles. Some in their profile mention they have been in jail /prison. How refreshing. HONESTY that is embarrassing. It is very important that you share pertinent info on medical problems that will affect your life. Do you have AIDS, Herpes, diabetes, MS.. ??? None of these have to be relationship killers, but it is so good to early on find out if you are loved & accepted for the real you. Bad news as well as good news.

I have found two areas where men try to impress (and I am sure women do this also). They find out your interests etc & show you how good they are at the skill etc. I have a background in theology & also am a REAL outdoorsy person. It takes about 10 minutes in the woods to know if I am with someone who has been honest or not. I don’t reject the person if they are not a mountain goat.. but certain things cannot be fudged. Also getting into religious discussions.. well, wont belabor.. but DON’T pretend you are something you aren’t. Unless the person you are dealing with has the IQ of a slinky, they will find you out very quickly. .

In my experience people, men & women, who gossip are those needing attention. By giving you “juicy tidbits” they are in their minds vital & important in what they are stating. In some respects they will gossip(some truth some maybe not) to make themselves look good/better. By telling all the bad things about John Doe, don’t I look better to you???? People who gossip or tell “tall tales” often have parents who are the same. It is hard work to overcome this.

Even though this is directed at understanding the other person, take it to heart & examine if this might apply to you? Tall tales & Gossip are not good couple strengthening material. .

. Well, I am not sure I saw a question there but maybe a statement & sigh????

So I will share some misc. thoughts on the topic. So many share the struggle with parents.

Part of this maybe means they did their job well? Give em roots BUT give em wings etc? . Part of their mentality MIGHT just be to keep you crazy so you don’t desire to live with them until you are 40?

Okay, now to look a bit more deeply & seriously.

There are two sad situations.(1) Kids(of any age..- kids can be 60 & parents 80) who strongly dislike each other – don’t speak, have heated regular disagreements… and the second scenario,,,(2) kids/parents who can’t cut the umbilical cord. Mommy’s boy? Parents NEEDING kids to be their best friends. Bad boundaries make for bad parenting. Period.

Good mental health in the parents will HELP insure good mental health on the part of the kids. If the parents are paddling with just one oar in the lake. Chances are the kids might also.

Needy dependent parents will raise kids that are the same. Selfish parents will raise kids that often feel rejected. Parents who feel they “missed out on life” because of you will often reflect it in their relation to you. Were you born out of wedlock, were you the last child (when they thought they were done 10 years prior), were they very poor ? Was their marriage rocky? Is dad not married to your mom? Not good reasons for rejecting a child, but reasons.

Just because they are your parents does NOT mean they are more mature, giving & nurturing than you are.

One thing you must look at carefully. Often children(again any age) with parents they don’t get along with.. Subconsciously are always trying to please them..(the co-dependent kicking in), When they try to be cordial & tell of the things they do to please them, they are again disappointed to be kicked in the face.

Some parents will never be pleased by what you do, who you marry, the amount of money you make, the clothes you wear, the way you cook – and alas, the air you breath. There simply is NO pleasing them..

Other parents can sire Jack the Ripper & you would think he is ready for sainthood. Taint fair for sure!

Once you leave the nest, you have the option to be with who fulfills your life. It may or may not include parents or any relative,. Some chose locales to live quite far away for that reason.

Part of the midlife process is the analyzing of parents & your relation to them. This is often when repressed events of child/sexual abuse manifest. What you need to understand is WHY you feel the way you do towards your parents. Many parents have a very difficult time letting go of their children. This is especially true of moms.. the nurturing instinct is strong on the X chromosome .(that is why so many get & bond tightly with dogs/cats when they are empty nesters). A parent who can develop healthy boundaries with their children is a gift.. a treasure. Being there when wanted but in general MYOB mentality.

Some fathers are very controlling & critical of their sons.. scars that can last a lifetime are the gifts from dad. Some mom’s are very jealous of their daughters & the relationship they have with their dads(and THEIR hubbys).. that can be a life long struggle.

It is important to realize that so much we do & experience is subconscious. I truly believe there are few if any parents who want to be BAD parents. We each enter parenthood with the “teaching” from our own parents.. (HORRORS). We swear we will never be like mom/dad or do or say the things they do.. but alas, one day you look in the mirror of life &: realize that mom &/or dad falls out of your mouth & life.

For those with hostile & estranged parental relations, family get-togethers can be nightmares.. I always feel for those who are in these difficult situations.

But each situation is different & the best guideline is to be cordial, return hate with smiles, bad statements with warm ones. Disarm them. You won’t change them. You will NOT feel good about yourself or the situation by “telling them off”.

Sometimes permanent separations are necessary. Tragic but one cannot let their life & that of their spouse/kids be in turmoil over parents who are ornery. Respecting ones parents does NOT permit them to abuse you. Just be careful to make sure what is what.

This was a difficult question in many ways. One wants to love & bond with their parents. Some parents just make it doggone hard, don’t they?

YOUR TURN

[Victoria Delsoul]

That's what it was. I was having a hard time picturing you playing hockey during July and August, man! LOL.

[Alberta's Child]

I played outside on inline skates two days last weekend -- when it was about 85 degrees out.

Boy -- that wasn't such a good idea. LOL.

[Victoria Delsoul]

LOL, you really like hockey. Really, really like it.

[DollyCali]

Just got in.

Wow & thank you for the great music again Victoria. I began reading while I was scanning the thread & it went quickly. I HOPE folks are out & about doing fun things tonight. But often they are just out & about on various threads! chuckle!

The movie Water was quite good. A moving &; thought provoking flick set in colonial India .. about 1938 or so. Centers around an 8 year old widow & the fate of widows of any age. See it if you get a chance. I enjoy foreign movies that are done by good teams & this was is.

Thanks for the note(S) regarding our thread making Clown Posse!!!! Some funny comments! I know there is a lot of mixed feelings about the other forums out there. I personally have several good friends who are on the forum there. (not actually sure of their screen-names however) They left FR for various reasons. Wish they would come back here also. There are good people & bad people here & at CP, I am sure. These people I know are articulate, funny & smart.. I would never wish them ill.

I don't know how long I am going to last.. pretty tired at this point. Had Thai food tonight after the movie. About my favorite.

Miss American Pie.. I am sorry about the loss of your husband. It sounded like you had a great marriage & there is a void in your heart for sure after something like that

[Alberta's Child]

Well, yes. LOL.

I guess the most important thing is that it's the one thing that can keep me really active a lot.

[snugs]

I guessed you were but to some it is a real problem and so I think it was a good one to pose for the thread.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Hey Dolly, so good to see you tonight.

Glad you like the songs.

It's nice here tonight, and after having a hectic week, I enjoy some peace and quiet - it's good for the soul and body.

Glad you enjoyed the movie as well.

[Victoria Delsoul]

it's the one thing that can keep me really active a lot.

Are you sure about that? I was kind of hopeful. Kidding, hahaha.

[Alberta's Child]

LOL. I think you're only half-kidding.

[Victoria Delsoul]

You're half right. :-)

[Alberta's Child]

LOL!!

[DollyCali]

I still am amazed about your 7 hours on a horse. Doesn't that fatigue them also????

The music is great...

Struggling to keep awake. BUSY day outdoors. got in a good portion of garden, mowed again & did a lot of chain sawing etc. about an hour & half pooch walk.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Well, it was more like 5 hours altogether. That's why I was so tired last night after dinner.

But I love riding, so it was a lot of fun, even though it was pretty warm that day.

Wow, you did a lot of work today, Dolly. You must be tired.

[Rca2000]

Well, since I was the one who asked that question, and the few answers I got basically boiled down to "my views are too old fashioned and not in tune with things today"--I must reply:::

SO BE IT!!!

If people in general(including women) can't accept the fact that I DO live by a moral code , and do NOT see all that many "grey areas" in life, regarding, things like sex, abortion, homosexuality, religious freedom, etc-- then I guess it is not my problem!!

God has been REALLY moving in my life recently, in the financial department. I am now making MORE money than I ever have, on a consistent basis. He has NOT moved much in the social aspects, however. But I am NOT worried about that part of my life anymore!!

Better to stand alone, and do things God's way, than be in a big group and accepted, because I "sold out".. NOT ME!!

[Nowhere Man]

Here is a good question for the group, but I have to go to bed(work tomorrow) and will have to wait till tomorrow to view the answers.

WHY IS IT that most women only seem to want the nasty, brutish, neanderthal-type guys, (even IF they say, they want the "nice guys", they usually pass them by) who will cheat on them, knock them around, and treat them like trash in general??

And WHY has desiring to live a life of decent moral quality, the way that God dictates in the bible, become so unpopular nowdays, among CHRISTIANS and CONSERVATIVES??

Dang this is a heavy topic for this thread, but I guess I'll venture a guess, if people think my reply is too heavy, I'll shut up from now on after this post and leave it for another topic.

I might be wrong here maybe really wrong but if I had to answer your questions, maybe many women like macho guys that can protect them even though the macho guys might beat 'em up, holler at them, and other such nasty things. Maybe in the eyes of those women, they seem to think those types of guys can and will take care of them (even though many times they don't) and take the good with the bad. Perhaps that goes way back to caveman times.

With civilization coming about, we needed codes, laws and mathods for property conduct in a civilized world. Women serve one purpose of keeping us guys civilized, when guys get together at camp or wherever, well, you know what happens, things can get kind of rough with the language, bathroom humor, dirty jokes, burping contests and so on, in short women keep us in line. In recent years with the radical feminists, women want to be men, act like men and so on and you end up losing that ability to civilize us guys.

Besides women, another force of civilizing people are things like codes of laws and things like the Bible to help maintain and reinforce on how all should act in society. So in short God, women and codes of laws are supposed to keep society in line, sure you have things that deviate a little each way from the middle in which society can tolerate, thinking back to statistics class, but when things get too far at either end, you run the risk of losing the ability of having a good society and end up living in the world that resembles something out of "The Lord of the Flies." We've lost our lock on a good society in the 1960's and we are paying for it today. I remember the Leslie Neilsen character from the movie "Forbidden Planet" made some sort of quote to where laws and religion keep people from being barbarians. Wish I had the exact quote.

AS to some Christians and/or Conservatives giving a pass on some of this, well, I guess a generation and some of this crap since the 1960's, it has become engrained in parts of society to where it seems normal to some although like you, I think it should not be. In short, it is much like a viral infection spreading to where the virus changes the cell's DNA.

Then bring it down to Earth from an academic discussion, it is a terrible day when what was normal and good is now seen as bad, quirky or weird whereas the bad stuff seems good. We live in an upside down world.

You'r preaching to the choir on this one, I womder about it too, I hope my answer and/or incoherent rambling helps. B-)

[AFPhys]

I headed out of the room now myself, too, Dolly.

Miss: I would also like to express my sorrow at your loss, and thank God you have good memories of his life that will never leave you.

[rzeznikj at stout]

Good points...

[pcottraux]

Hello?

[rzeznikj at stout]

Yah, I'm still here...

[pcottraux]

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