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I look forward to Dr. Dobson's comments regarding this... He's already spoken out against such studies...
1 posted on 11/21/2005 10:25:57 AM PST by Barney59
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Spare the stick and......


2 posted on 11/21/2005 10:28:36 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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I bet TO was spanked.


3 posted on 11/21/2005 10:28:44 AM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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No BullSh!t
4 posted on 11/21/2005 10:32:26 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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Some experts argue that children should not be spanked when they act out citing evidence that it leads to more, rather than fewer, behavior problems and it could escalate into physical abuse.

Whatever. It appears to me that too many parents are sparing the rod these days. Watching teenagers use foul language right in front of the parent(s) has become the norm. And here I am, a full grown adult, and I can't even make my mouth form the words to speak such language in front of my folks.


5 posted on 11/21/2005 10:36:01 AM PST by rdb3 (Wheelchair? What wheelchair?)
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7 posted on 11/21/2005 10:38:18 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Flibbertygibbit.)
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Did my brothers or I show out in public? No way!
Did we talk back to our parents? Unthinkable!
Did we talk back to teachers or anyone elder? Nuh uhh!
We knew that my Dad's size twelve would be planted firmly up the ...
We misbehaved as do all children. But we knew respect. And when an elder talked, we shut up.
8 posted on 11/21/2005 10:49:58 AM PST by HOTTIEBOY (Maybe in your house. Not in mine.)
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i was spanked as a child, as was my older sister, as were my parents, and their parents. we all turned out well. my youngest sister as well as my father's youngest sister were the least punished, and subsequently the ones that cannot take care of themselves, and have gotten into the most trouble in life.
my 2 year old is learning that if she does something wrong, she gets one warning, and then a spanking. she is also learning that she does not like them. in the last few days, she has come and apologised a couple times for doing something wrong before i even caught her.


10 posted on 11/21/2005 11:03:14 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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The study was on only 336 mothers and their chilren, none in the U. S. And in those countries where the cocial norm involves physical discipline, the relationship was weaker than in the other countries.

IOW, inadequate research to draw such conclusions from.


11 posted on 11/21/2005 11:04:43 AM PST by savedbygrace
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As the parent of a 7-year old, I can't imagine ever spanking my kid.

There are so many other ways to negatively reinforce undesirable behavior, that I have never found it necessary to resort to this tactic.

Many Freepers say they were spanked as children, and it didn't do them harm. Maybe so. I'm not in a position to judge.

But I know that I just don't have it in me to hit my child with sufficient force to cause real pain -- which is what would be required for the "punishment" to be effective.

Moreover, what happens during the teen-age years, when the child is old enough, strong enough and angry enough to hit back?

If corporal punishment is the normal means of discipline, I think at some point it must necessarily become counter-productive and lose its effectiveness.

In fact, I think spanking ultimately indicates a parent's failure and lack of control. Instilling momentary fear of physical punishment in a kid over time has to create a long-term lack of respect, mistrust and resentment towards the parent.

And I think that as the child matures, the repercussions of that are not worth the momentary appearance of control a parent may gain by administering a spanking.

Flame away if you must, but I just don't get it.


12 posted on 11/21/2005 11:04:46 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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Retarded people - kids and adults - are effectively disciplined by their counselors while under massive legal threat for any physical punishment.

Same goes for the very old and mentally-gone elderly who become.... "stubborn". But watch the lawyers pounce at any sign of negative re-enforcement, even a light smack.

I'm not against harsh punishment, I just think it should come from your drill instructor - not someone you love.


16 posted on 11/21/2005 11:11:21 AM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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They say the same thing about rooting out terrorists. It only makes them more angry. Life is hard.


18 posted on 11/21/2005 11:12:22 AM PST by jw777
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Children who are spanked when they misbehave are more likely to be anxious and aggressive

Bull.

25 posted on 11/21/2005 11:45:17 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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Spanking is not needed, just pull a pinch of hair in front of the ear and that will make them listen. Doesn't really hurt them, but is painful.

I was told this by some older wise woman once and it is a golden tool for handling the kids without ever needing to hit them.

Take a pinch of hair by the temple and pull, works better than any slap and stops the hitting.

27 posted on 11/21/2005 11:48:24 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The feminization of America continues...

CONTORLLED aggression (spanking) without malice teaches children valuable lessons.
1) Yes, Daddy and Mommy ARE in charge
2) Yes, there ARE consequences for my bad behaviour

And - as they grow...
3) Mom and Dad must love me, because they wouldn't let me turn into a little jackass
4) Hey - controlled aggression CAN solve a problem now and then.
5) I better watch my behavior, because there may be someone around who can MAKE me behave.

About #4 - Controlled aggression must, by definition, be appropriately scaled. It ranges from a couple of swats with a wooden spoon causing no physical damage to a child who refuses to behave properly, to a small grouping of shots in the chest, stopping a home invader from killing me and raping my wife. It CAN solve problems. It is NOT always bad.


30 posted on 11/21/2005 11:53:11 AM PST by HeadOn (Don't talk to me about global warming unless you don't own a car.)
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Just remember ..."This is going to hurt you alot more than it is going to hurt me."


34 posted on 11/21/2005 12:05:30 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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Yes, please don't spank your children for fear that they might actually FEAR discipline and the consequences for behaving badly. Come on...

These studies are SO pathetic. Look around you and see how wonderful children are in today's society/sarc. I mean, do you see how many respect their elders? Do you see how many are mindful of the consequences of bad behaviors and actions? And just how many kids are committing crimes these days? And how many of these kids were spanked?

I disagree with parents who say they don't believe in spanking their children and instead choose to give their children "options". As if.... Sometimes, just yelling NO 10 times with no action behind it, is NOT enough. Why can't people understand this? Children crave discipline. Children also NEED to be shown action and consistency behind the discipline. It's really a shame when parents don't back each other up or they choose to opt out of properly disciplining their children. The punishment should fit the crime.

The option for my kids, is 1 warning and then a spanking on the behind. Don't get me wrong, I don't abuse my child, I never cross that line. But I teach them right or wrong and can avoid the spanking when necessary because they know the consequences if they don't. Their spirit needs to be broken so they know that what they did was wrong and is not acceptable. Then I give them tons of love and affection and make sure they understand on their level the reason for the punishment.

Discpline and love go hand in hand...no pun intended.


42 posted on 11/21/2005 12:29:43 PM PST by Peepster (Capital punishment means: Never having to say "You again?")
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50 posted on 11/21/2005 1:19:59 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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I spanked. As a single mom of three sons, I couldn't let them get the best of me. They are all grown now and all three veterans. They thank me often for their upbringing and say they will raise their children the same way.

Proud Mom of 3 Veterans


51 posted on 11/21/2005 1:31:46 PM PST by tx_militarymom
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They aggressively sought a place to hide because they were anxious about when Dad was coming home.
52 posted on 11/21/2005 1:45:09 PM PST by wolfcreek
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Reading the full article makes the glaring bias of this study obvious.

First, the article refers to "spanking and similar forms of discipline" and then lists these forms as "caning, pinching, slapping, tying with a rope, hitting, beating, and kicking". Tying up a child with a rope and beating and kicking him or her is obviously child abuse, and is a far cry from a controlled, disciplinary spanking. This alone should have the study thrown out, but then the lead researcher reveals her bias in the last sentence.

"Another question is whether physical discipline is appropriate in this day and age, regardless of how accepted it may be," she added.

So, really, she knew the results she wanted beforehand, and she was going to make the data say whatever it needed to say to imply that spanking is wrong and bad.


57 posted on 11/21/2005 4:25:17 PM PST by LonghornFreeper
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