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Breaking: Possible SAM Attack Against US Plane (right now this is completely unverified)
LGF ^ | 09/17/05 | staff

Posted on 09/17/2005 6:13:51 PM PDT by Perdogg

saturday, september 17, 2005

I’ve just received a credible tip from an LGF reader that an America West flight out of New York was fired upon by a surface to air missile yesterday, and that the pilot and passengers witnessed it and are now being questioned by the FAA and FBI.

That’s the extent of the information I currently have, and please note: right now this is completely unverified.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; americawest; birds; chatmeup; chattyrumors; chattystupidity; chatwardbound; chittychittychatchat; conspiracy; falsealarm; flight17; lgf; missile; newyork; nomissile; nomissilebirds; sam; samattack; twa800
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To: Southack

Can you send me a url Southhack to look that up?
I would appreciate that.
Thank you.


81 posted on 09/17/2005 10:06:44 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Southack; All

Do you see a good url here for a reporting forum that you like?
I'll check also.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Pilot+Reports%22&btnG=Google+Search


82 posted on 09/17/2005 10:08:53 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Bubba
They're a good site.

Not as good as FR IMHO.

83 posted on 09/17/2005 10:09:03 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Perdogg
If it is a MANPAD somebody will find the remains of the missile--or would have heard the explosion of the missile as it hits the ground after the solid rocket fuel on the missile runs out. People forget that most MANPAD's--while IR homing--use contact fuses to detonate the fragmentation warhead.

Methinks what the passengers saw was a meteor on the last throes of breaking up in the atmosphere.

84 posted on 09/17/2005 10:12:07 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: kenth
Flight 587. My money is on a Richard Reid associate.

That would have strong validity if they had found explosives residue from the remains of the plane. But since the wreckage didn't turn up any explosives residue, we can rule out terrorism.

85 posted on 09/17/2005 10:14:57 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

August and September do have a lot going on when it comes to meteors.


86 posted on 09/17/2005 10:15:10 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Perdogg; All

Islamic terrorists or leftists? They are both on the same side.


87 posted on 09/17/2005 10:55:54 PM PDT by ariamne (Why is it ok to show bodies from Katrina, but not from 9/11?)
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To: Perdogg

http://www4.passur.com/jfk.html

This is the Airport Monitor radar for JFK...didn't see anything on America West 17 on September 15 at 6:05.

Anyone else see something I'm missing?


88 posted on 09/17/2005 10:58:29 PM PDT by milford421
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To: tet68
This is also reported on Michelle Malkin's website.  She's pretty credible.
89 posted on 09/17/2005 11:02:50 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Berosus; blam; dervish; Do not dub me shapka broham; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ...
Ping!

90 posted on 09/17/2005 11:03:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: RayChuang88

If it really was a MANPAD, it might have been a old Soviet Strela. They have a nasty habit of going anywhere *but* in the direction of the target - assuimg it doesn't detonate on launch or at some random point in flight (usually close to the launcher, ruining the operator's day). There are literally millions of Strelas running around the world arms markets. They're more dangerous to the operator than to an aircraft, but they're cheap and the operator might get lucky. Me, I'd stick to throwing rocks at a landing or launching plane, it's more reliable and more effective. :-P

Of course, what they probably saw in all reality was some kid setting off a big firework or something equally stupid and innocuous.


91 posted on 09/17/2005 11:04:01 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: milford421

Maybe it froze on me.
I didn't see a change
after changing the time and date and hitting start.


92 posted on 09/17/2005 11:06:52 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
Maybe it froze on me. I didn't see a change after changing the time and date and hitting start.

It's a java applet and they tend to do that from time-to-time.  My attempt to view the thing never even loaded, just a gray box.

93 posted on 09/17/2005 11:10:33 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: softwarecreator

Thanks softwarecreater.
Well, I've spent several hours on this and will post
updates if I see them.

FYI.

Back to TM.


94 posted on 09/17/2005 11:11:52 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Software Creator is right.

It froze on me also. Took a little while to load.
Don't hit the start button on the left...try the pause, restart and start button on the right after you set time and date.

It's a little tempermental,


95 posted on 09/17/2005 11:13:49 PM PDT by milford421
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To: Cindy

Thanks Cindy.


96 posted on 09/17/2005 11:14:57 PM PDT by milford421
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To: milford421
I let it sit for a while and you are right, it took a few minutes.  Slow applet, but pretty cool once it loads.
97 posted on 09/17/2005 11:21:43 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Cindy
Back to TM

Transcedental Meditation?

98 posted on 09/17/2005 11:23:00 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: RDTF
!! WAY TO GO !!

99 posted on 09/17/2005 11:23:26 PM PDT by I see my hands (Until this civil war heats up.. Have a nice day.)
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000863.php


100 posted on 09/17/2005 11:42:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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