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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince--SPOILER ALERT!!!
me | July 17, 2005 | grellis

Posted on 07/17/2005 5:16:14 PM PDT by grellis

THIS THREAD IS INTENDED FOR READERS THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE BOOK! If you have not yet read the book, consider yourself warned: There will be spoilers on this thread.

For my fellow FReepers who have no intention of reading the book but would like to discuss the more controversial issues related to the work, I am asking you as politely as I can: DO NOT HIJACK THIS THREAD. We are all members of this forum and as such, it is not up to me to disallow anyone from participating in the discussion. That is why I am asking you--please do not hijack this thread. If you would like to discuss the more controversial aspects of the book, maybe you could start your own thread and ping us over there. If we are interested, we'll come.


TOPICS: Books/Literature
KEYWORDS: diary; halfbloodprince; harrypotter; horcrux; hufflepuffscup; locket; nagila; predictions; professorsnape; ravenclaw; ring; spoilersgalore
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To: Tanniker Smith
The crux of the matter is the 7th Horcrux.

Maybe it's Harry. Remember when Dumbledore is speaking to Harry about his parseltongue ability. He avers that Harry also received other talents and powers from Tom Riddle when he survived the death curse and received the scar.

Riddle wants to become Harry and this might be the penultimate battle!

701 posted on 07/25/2005 7:29:54 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: retrokitten

thats a good thought about hiding a horcrux in one of the former headmaster and headmistress's portraits thats a place where no one would expect but V obviously had access to in his days at hogwarts wat former headmaster or mistress would help out V though? And it could be the sword thats what DD thought it was right? or the hat who knows?


702 posted on 07/25/2005 7:48:02 AM PDT by phoenixfeather26
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To: retrokitten

i didnt know there was a picture of godric gryffindor in the DD's chambers (idk is there)? but i guess it has to be something to do with gryffindor i think its harry


703 posted on 07/25/2005 7:50:52 AM PDT by phoenixfeather26
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To: All

so they got the ring from salazar slytherin wat did they get from Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw? im having a mind block i need to finish rereading it im only on page 200 something


704 posted on 07/25/2005 7:54:13 AM PDT by phoenixfeather26
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To: Young Werther

If Harry's the Horcrux, he'll have to die... maybe Ginny's the Horcrux and he'll have to choose between saving her and saving the world...

I don't believe that but it's a fun speculation!


705 posted on 07/25/2005 8:10:31 AM PDT by JenB
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To: retrokitten

That is a long article!


706 posted on 07/25/2005 9:14:15 AM PDT by Pippin
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To: JenB

Hi, Jen!


707 posted on 07/25/2005 9:15:28 AM PDT by Pippin
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To: grellis
Also, now that it's on my mind, remember how VM had no problem killing James but certainly seemed reluctant to kill Lily? He could not have forseen that Lily's sacrifice would protect HP--DD has said as much a number of times.

I imagine that Lilly Evans (Potter) was supposed to be a "reward" for Snape in exchange for giving LV the information about the prophecy.

708 posted on 07/25/2005 9:20:38 AM PDT by kevkrom (WARNING: If you're not sure whether or not it's sarcasm, it probably is.)
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To: grellis
So, you've read the book...now you have to read the thread!!! How did you like it? How 'bout that mean ole Snape?

The WHOLE thread? Is this detention? ;)

There's a debate within the DTogo household as to whether Snape was acting on D's orders or not. And I'm still disappointed that Harry hasn't picked up on more unconventional magic like his Dad when he was younger - for mischief or combat purposes.

709 posted on 07/25/2005 9:43:49 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Pippin

Hi Pip!


710 posted on 07/25/2005 9:53:50 AM PDT by JenB
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To: DTogo; All
Actually, the thread is a pretty quick read. The concensus (now, how do I spellcheck?) among FReepers is that Snape DID kill DD without malice--most of us seem to think that DD and Snape had prepared for this eventuality. Throughout the thread, there are some pretty strong arguments in favor of this line of thought. What I find myself thinking about doesn't have so much to do with the book, but with the FReeping reaction to Snape:

Why is it, folks, that we all want to see Snape as a man caught in a horrible situation?

I'm really curious about that. I've admitted it before, I'll say it again: It's all because of Alan Rickman. He's to blame!

And another thing...when could VM have turned HP into a horcrux? I just don't see it.

711 posted on 07/25/2005 9:57:35 AM PDT by grellis (Funkle Queen)
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To: retrokitten
saveliberty pointed me to this article. The author has a theory that Snape may be the hero in book 7. He also has some other interesting theories. He seems to think Harry will die in book 7.

Wow, thanks for posting the link to the article. More food for thought on HP.

712 posted on 07/25/2005 10:43:29 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: grellis
And another thing...when could VM have turned HP into a horcrux? I just don't see it.

I think they are going for when Voldy tried to kill Harry he inadvertantly turned him into a horcrux. I don't see it either. That would mean if Harry were a horcrux that he would have to kill himself or be killed to get rid of Voldy. I just don't see JKR killing off the hero of the series. It would be such a let down.

713 posted on 07/25/2005 10:50:27 AM PDT by retrokitten (www.retrosrants.blogspot.com)
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To: grellis
Okay, unlike others, it took me about a week to read it.

Here is some of my take on it (with spoilers):

First off, I read elsewhere someone saying it took them two minutes to figure out who the Half-Blood Prince was, as if they were just so enlightened. Thank you very much, I'm so proud of you. As for the rest of us, I did not see Snape being this title character. I also did not see him actually killing a weakened, defenseless Dumbledore the way he did. But it is possible he did it due to the Unbreakable Vow.

Then you have Draco Malfoy. His mission was to re-construct the Vanishing Cabinet in the Room of Requirement as a way to get Death Eaters into Hogwarts. But then you find out it was done under some kind of duress, namely the threat of death for Draco and his parents. The thought of this made Draco sad, and coupled with his unwillingness to kill Dumbledore, if Snape has indeed switched sides, then perhaps we will see Draco do the same in Book 7.

714 posted on 07/25/2005 10:54:11 AM PDT by Houmatt (Where can I get a T-shirt with Karla Homolka and a superimposed bullseye on it?)
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To: grellis
So, who saw it coming??!
I saw it coming once Harry got ahold of the potions book. As much as people were telling me that 'it had to happen', I'm ticked at what happened at the very end.
715 posted on 07/25/2005 10:56:54 AM PDT by Beaker
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To: phoenixfeather26

Ring - destroyed
diary - destroyed
locket - Slytherin - mention of a locket at Grimmauld Place no one could open
cup - Hufflepuff
snake - maybe
something of Ravenclaw's-don't know what it is
V himself

These are the suspected Horcruxes, that leaves nothing of Gryffindor's, which leads me to believe that the snake may not be one.


716 posted on 07/25/2005 11:00:48 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: retrokitten
It was obvious to me from reading the things Slughorn said he bungled names frequently.

But the Rupert "slip?" It was not. By this time, people are associating Rupert Grint with Ronald Weasley. Jo knows this, so it was done with a knowing wink to the reader (and perhaps Rupert, too).

I'd bank on that.

717 posted on 07/25/2005 11:02:45 AM PDT by Houmatt (Where can I get a T-shirt with Karla Homolka and a superimposed bullseye on it?)
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To: grellis
And another thing...when could VM have turned HP into a horcrux? I just don't see it.

The theory, such as it is, is that VM transferred part of his soul into Harry at the same time he transferred certain if his powers into Harry (e.g., the ability to speak Parseltongue). That is, at the same time he failed to kill Harry. He'd already killed Harry's parents, so the requisite murdering had already been done. The horcrux could very well be Harry's scar. (Supposedly the last word in Book 7 is "scar." Perhaps the offending sentence will read something like, "for the first time in his life, it was just a scar.")

There is a very short scene in Order of the Phoenix that may support the theory -- where Dumbledore consults one of his odd instruments. Two snakes appear and intertwine, and Dumbledore says something to the effect of "but in essence divided."

718 posted on 07/25/2005 11:03:59 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Houmatt

I thought it was a joke on her part too, pretty funny. I too, was not enlightened about who the half blood prince was.


719 posted on 07/25/2005 11:04:13 AM PDT by WV Mountain Mama ("Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus" never has better advice been given.)
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To: retrokitten
That would mean if Harry were a horcrux that he would have to kill himself or be killed to get rid of Voldy. I just don't see JKR killing off the hero of the series. It would be such a let down.

Not necessarily. Slytherin's ring was not destroyed, and neither was Riddle's diary. The trick would be to release the piece of soul without killing the host (Harry). It'd be an interesting climax.

720 posted on 07/25/2005 11:06:26 AM PDT by r9etb
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